Linux-Misc Digest #827, Volume #25 Thu, 21 Sep 00 16:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Brian V. Smith)
installing on a hd not supported by bios (Martijn Brouwer)
Re: shutting down a process at shutdown (Bill Unruh)
kernel with MCA/ESDI without SCSI? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: shutting down a process at shutdown (Malte Starostik)
Re: Cyrillic fonts in Netscape (Minko Markov)
Re: Encyppt whole Linux system ? (PB)
Porting of sam editor to Linux (Smitty)
Installing win-modem in the linux mandrake x windows (Nightshade)
Games and Software in Linux (Jörn)
wait_on_bh? (Steve Wampler)
Generic Configure Problem (jay)
Re: Installing win-modem in the linux mandrake x windows (PB)
Re: shutting down a process at shutdown (Bill Unruh)
no DRQ after issuing WRITE ("Antoine DELIE")
Re: Games and Software in Linux (David Dorward)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Matthias Warkus)
test (HR)
Linux app for labels, env, etc. ("Martin R. Soderstrom")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Yannick")
Re: Installing win-modem in the linux mandrake x windows (Edward Lee)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian V. Smith)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: 21 Sep 2000 19:00:26 GMT
In article <eNqy5.27045$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
|> In comp.os.linux.misc Brian V. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> : Really? Which ones were those that came with the source code?
|>
|> BSD
|> Perhaps the original AT&T UNIX as well?
I think you had to pay as well as sign a non-disclosure agreement
to get the AT&T (then Bell Labs) Unix sources.
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Brian V. Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www-epb.lbl.gov/BVSmith
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
I don't speak for LBL; they don't pay me enough for that.
Check out the xfig site at http://www-epb.lbl.gov/xfig
To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the
glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big
as it needs to be.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martijn Brouwer)
Subject: installing on a hd not supported by bios
Date: 21 Sep 2000 19:13:11 GMT
Hello everybody,
I have a pc with a 6.4 Gb harddisk and a bios that supports only disk up to
2.1 Gb. Is there a way to install both windows and linux without using a
tool like EZ-bios?
I want to have 2 Gb for windows. Since windows relies on the bios, it
should be on the beginning of the disk. Since the kernel has to be located
within the first 1023 cilinders, I also want to have a very small linux
partion within the first 470 Mb (my geometry is C,H,S = 13328,15,63). Since
windows does not now anything of the > 2.1 Gb area, the extended partition
is not allowed to cross the 2.1 boundary so it has to be entirely beyond
the 2.1 limit. (below would limit the number of partions beyond the 2.1
limit to one.). Therefore, the second windows partion has to be a primary
one, but windows can only deal with one primary partition!
Is there any solution or do I have to install the EZ-bios tool? How does
such a tool work? Does it make an extra partition? How do I have to deal
with it?
Thanks in advance for aswering this complicated question.
_____________________________________________________________
Martijn Brouwer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: shutting down a process at shutdown
Date: 21 Sep 2000 19:17:32 GMT
In <8qdh30$btv$17$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Malte Starostik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
]Ralph Churchill wrote:
]>
]> > You added e.g. an S90oracle script? Then you should have a K90oracle
]> > script in the same run-level directories too... Both should be
]> > symlinks to the script in /etc/rc.d/init.d. I think that's the way it
]> > works in Red Hat too (I use Debian).
]> >
]>
]> Heres' what I've got:
]>
]> ./rc0.d/K00oracle
]> ./rc1.d/K00oracle
]> ./rc2.d/K00oracle
]> ./rc3.d/S99oracle
]> ./rc4.d/S99oracle
]> ./rc5.d/S99oracle
]> ./rc6.d/K00oracle
]>
]> All symlinks to ./init.d/oracle. Do I need a K00oracle AND an S99oracle
]> at each run level?
]>
]You only need these:
]./rc3.d/S99oracle
]./rc4.d/S99oracle
]./rc5.d/S99oracle
]./rc3.d/K01oracle
]./rc4.d/K01oracle
]./rc5.d/K01oracle
No. You do not want both! Either the S or the K in any runlevel, not
both.
Also you need a K in runlevel 6 (rc6.d) to tell it to kill that daemon
when the system shuts down ( runlevel 6 is shutdown). Otherwise it gets
a nasty kill without chance to shutdown properly.
If when you drop from say runlevel 3 or 5 to runlevel 1, you want this
shutdown, then put a K in 1.
]No need for the links in rc[0126].d
]It works like this: all the S... links are run when you enter the runlevel
]and the K... links are run when you leave it. So if you've got the above
]links, /etc/rc.d/init.d/oracle start is called when you enter runlevel 3, 4
]or 5 and /etc/rc.d/init.d/oracle stop is called when you leave that
]runlevel and there is no S..oracle link in the dir for the runlevel you
]switch to (like 0 or 6)
No. The rc.d/rc?.d scripts are run only when the runlevel comes up, not
when it goes down ( see rc)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: kernel with MCA/ESDI without SCSI?
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:07:41 GMT
Hi,
I am trying, with great difficulty, to install
Linux on a Thinkpad 720. This is a laptop with
* Microchannel architecture (supported by Linux)
* an ESDI hard drive (supported)
* and a SCSI controller not in use
When I boot with bare.i bootdisk, no hard drive
is detected.
When I used a bootdisk from the MCA Linux
website (circa 1997), it hangs during SCSI
detection since there is no SCSI drive. The
controller is for the nonexistent docking station.
Is it possible to create a boot disk without
SCSI detection but with MCA and ESDI drive support?
Thanks
uwuh
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From: Malte Starostik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: shutting down a process at shutdown
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:18:54 +0200
Ralph Churchill wrote:
>
> >
> > You only need these:
> >
> > ./rc3.d/S99oracle
> > ./rc4.d/S99oracle
> > ./rc5.d/S99oracle
> >
> > ./rc3.d/K01oracle
> > ./rc4.d/K01oracle
> > ./rc5.d/K01oracle
> >
> > No need for the links in rc[0126].d
> > It works like this: all the S... links are run when you enter the
> runlevel
> > and the K... links are run when you leave it. So if you've got the
> above
> > links, /etc/rc.d/init.d/oracle start is called when you enter runlevel
> 3, 4
> > or 5 and /etc/rc.d/init.d/oracle stop is called when you leave that
> > runlevel and there is no S..oracle link in the dir for the runlevel
> you
> > switch to (like 0 or 6)
> > -Malte
> >
>
>
> That doesn't seem to work... why is httpd set up with a kill script in 0
> and 6?
>
> RMC
>
Hmm, sorry, didn't know that. I don't know why they put the kill script
there. At least I've always used the scheme I described and it worked.
-Malte
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Subject: Re: Cyrillic fonts in Netscape
From: Minko Markov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:24:05 GMT
Hello Andrei,
I am Bulgarian, so I can help you most with
fonts for the encoding we use, namely cp1251 (I think).
If you are Russian, it may or may not work.
I am sure there are *a lot*
of info on how to deal with Russian fonts (encoding koi8).
That is my help: go to
http://ultralix.polytechnique.fr/~stivy/index.html
Follow the instructions. Once your X server sees the
cyrillic fonts ( xlsfonts | grep cyr ), you should
choose in Netscape, in the Preferences, Adobecyr
for both proportional and fixed-width fonts. Thus
you will be able to read cyrillic pages (Bulgarian).
Writing is easy, press Ctrl + left Alt + Space to
toggle the keyboard.
Good luck.
--
Minko Markov
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From: PB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Encyppt whole Linux system ?
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:20:21 -0400
Reply-To: pboin @ mindspring com
Chang-Han Jong in <8qdld6$81b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>In tw.bbs.comp.linux Beggar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I am developing a product that base on Linux box. Is there any method
>> that can
>> encypt the whole file system that cannot be read by someone who have
>> access
>> the machine physically.
>> At least, I don't want people use other system boot up the machine and
>> mount the Linux system.
>> Many thanks for any help!!
>> Dicky
>There are some crypto-filesystem.
>you can search for them.
kerneli.org (note the 'i' for international)
--
PB
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From: Smitty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Porting of sam editor to Linux
Date: 21 Sep 2000 14:36:30 -0400
Does anyone know if the sam editor from the Plan 9 operating system has
been ported to Linux?
If not, is it being ported?
Smitty
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From: Nightshade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installing win-modem in the linux mandrake x windows
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:30:03 -0000
I know that since I first got my linux a few mouths ago that it would not
reconise my modem fully with it beeing a win modem.
But also I have heard that its posible to download programs that would
install these modems by using files that work for linux like the
instalison program would do for installing windows.
Now I have come accrose a few site a wile back and actualy downloaded a
few but out of them all there said the files are not up to date.
So can any one please tell me the url for the sites that have files like
these for the linux mandrake 7.1
The modem in qustion is a HSP V90 56K Flex modem.
Can any one plase reply to this or email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks all helps are aprecated on an exlet os and also a difeclute one to
master ;)
Nightshade
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From: Jörn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Games and Software in Linux
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:30:03 -0000
Hi, I �m an original new user of Suse Linux 7.0 and i�m wondering how to
get my Windows Games and Software running in Linux? Do I have to buy a
special Linux version or are there any integrated tools or scripts that may
help me?
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From: Steve Wampler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: wait_on_bh?
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:23:50 -0700
Can someone explain to me what the following kernel diagnostic
is trying to tell me?:
=====================================================
wait_on_bh, CPU 0:
irq: 1 [0 1]
bh: 1 [0 1]
<[c010b443]> <[c016dc19]> <[c017cc47]> <[c011e5f8]>
<[c0174d41]> <[c017ccc5]> <[c0156833]>
=====================================================
I'm trying do some performance measurements for reading
from a storage area network attached via Fibre Channel
to a dual-cpu (PIII-650) box with 1GB ram running 2.2.14
in SMP mode and the machine is hanging up after several
(varies widely) GB worth of reads from the SAN. Sometimes
I see the above (repeated every 30 seconds or so). Most
times there is no message at all. All hangs require
a hard reset as no i/o is possible with the box.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
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From: jay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Generic Configure Problem
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:32:49 GMT
My problem is sort of a generic "configure" problem. I have had this
problem in the past trying to compile other software. Most recently,
I had this problem with ImageMagick. This is not a specific problem to
ImageMagick.
I have libjpeg.a and libpng.a installed in /home/foo/usr/local/lib
and their respective header files in /home/foo/usr/local/include
ImageMagick will look for these libs.
So I do a ./configure --prefix=/home/foo/usr/local
Configure starts running and gets to something like this:
...
checking for png.h... no
checking for pngconf.h... no
checking for png_info_init in -lpng... no
...
png.h and pngconf.h are in /home/foo/usr/local/include and
libpng.a (for -lpng) is in /home/foo/usr/local/lib.
I have /home/foo/usr/local/lib in my $LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
I have had this problem with other software as well where configure
claims that the .h files are missing and the libraries are gone as well.
I am not sure what the problem is. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks.
-j
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From: PB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing win-modem in the linux mandrake x windows
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:37:07 -0400
Reply-To: pboin @ mindspring com
Nightshade in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>I know that since I first got my linux a few mouths ago that it would not
>reconise my modem fully with it beeing a win modem.
That was correct then, and is more-or-less correct now. It's a modem
emulator, it needs windows, and it won't do you any good under linux.
(As a matter of fact, it won't even make a decent coaster for your
coffee cup.)
>But also I have heard that its posible to download programs that would
>install these modems by using files that work for linux like the
>instalison program would do for installing windows.
>
>Now I have come accrose a few site a wile back and actualy downloaded a
>few but out of them all there said the files are not up to date.
>
>So can any one please tell me the url for the sites that have files like
>these for the linux mandrake 7.1
>
>The modem in qustion is a HSP V90 56K Flex modem.
>
>Can any one plase reply to this or email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Thanks all helps are aprecated on an exlet os and also a difeclute one to
>master ;)
>
>Nightshade
--
PB
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: shutting down a process at shutdown
Date: 21 Sep 2000 19:42:59 GMT
In <8qdhq5$a32$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ralph Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
]> Did I say that? Yes I did... dumb.
]>
]> I *think* (I'm very careful now) that there should be a *start* script
]> in the directory for runlevel 2, not a kill script...
]>
]Basically, I modelled what httpd is doing... and it has a kill script in
]runlevel 2... Should a start script in lvl 2 affect what happens in lvl
]6 (that's where shutdown is, right?)
I do not know what runlevel 2 actually does or when you would go into
runlevel 2. So what you put there does not matter unless you go into
runlevel 2. 1 is basic root level single user, and should not have much
running-- its whole purpose is to be able to repair stuff and it does
not help if stuff that is broken starts up there. 3 is standard console login,
5 is xdm 4 as far as I know is unused. 2 I am not sure about
and 6 is shutdown.
(everything started up elsewhere should be K in runlevel 6)
]RMC
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From: "Antoine DELIE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.embedded
Subject: no DRQ after issuing WRITE
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:53:27 +0200
Hello
I have Linux kernel 2.0.30 which is installed on a Flash Disk IDE 32 M.
With some flash disk, all is fine.
With another, I got the message:
"
hda status error: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
hda no DRG after issuing WRITE
hda status error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error}
"
The system works slowly.
Where is the problem ? Is there a patch.
I could not upgrade to a newer version.
Thank you.
Antoine.
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From: David Dorward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Games and Software in Linux
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:44:23 +0100
"J=F6rn" wrote:
> =
> Hi, I =B4m an original new user of Suse Linux 7.0 and i=B4m wondering h=
ow to
> get my Windows Games and Software running in Linux? Do I have to buy a
> special Linux version or are there any integrated tools or scripts that=
may
> help me?
Very little, if anything, is intergrated with linux. Everything is
modular.
You could try WINE for running Windows programs ( http://www.winehq.com/
) or failing that you could buy VMWare ( http://www.vmware.com/ ).
Otherwise you probably will have to buy Linux versions, check out
freshmeat.net for free versions.
-- =
David Dorward
http://www.dorward.co.uk/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:33:32 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:38:03 +0100...
...and robert w hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthias Warkus
> >For most early-era operating systems, there was not much of a
> >difference between binary and source code. Writing operating systems
> >in high-level languages is a pretty recent development. :)
>
> Er, 1970 - BCPL - I remember it well
Yeah. 1970 is pretty recent. Your point being?
mawa
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From: HR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: test
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:06:51 +0000
test
_______________________________________________
M$ Upgrade: Windows98 + 2 Windows = Windows2000
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From: "Martin R. Soderstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux app for labels, env, etc.
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:03:40 -0400
Hi, all. Looking for opinions, here. I use vim and LaTeX for most of my
writing/wordprocessing, but sometimes I need labels, letters, envelopes,
etc. and I was wondering what a good choice would be? Star Office? A
wysiwyg text editor for Latex (a la LyX)? I don't want to go overkill,
here, but it would be nice to not have to remember a huge process for
something I only do now and then.
Any ideas welcome.
Cheers,
-- Martin
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From: "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:02:55 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message :
8q8sgk$r14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> In article <HTOx5.1724$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Now consider someone working with his computer for interactive tasks
> > (wordprocessing, drawing, multimedia, etc...). What the job is about
> is
> > communicating with the machine, so one of the major quality
> requirements
> > will be a rich user interface. I personnally prefer (for interactive
> tasks)
> > software that has a rich interface (for instance Windows apps using
> the GUI
> > intensively) to software that I can run for three days without a
> crash,
>
> There are several problems with that. First, for an end user, a major
> part of quality is being able to figure out how to do his job. If the
> help data are useless nad the hardcopy manuals are a joke, then it
> doesn't matter how pretty or rich the interface is.
Sorry, but you'll notice that linux is not much better on that level. There
may be more documentation, but it is scattered on several help systems, is
often outdated, etc... The problem with linux is that the learning curve of
the documentation system is quite high unless perhaps you know what to look
for, whereas window's Contents/Index/Search window is quite intuitive to
anybody who has ever used a _book_. As for the quantity of doc available on
windows (for the user) it's true that is is getting thinner and thinner,
which is a shame. But it's less useful than on linux too, 'cause most of the
times you can figure out the meaning of the dialog boxes.
> Not that I agree
> that the m$ interface is either; it isn't.
That is an opinion, and not that common either. To the people who learn to
use the GUI, you'll notice that many linux advocates find Windows' interface
to be rich and maybe one of the best, perhaps the best. Just as most Windows
advocates find the unix shell an very good tool too. The problem here is
that the shell is for the "computer people" (= those whose job is about
computers themselves, not their use as a tool), whereas a GUI is designed to
be, at first, intuitive if maybe inefficient while you do not really know
it, and afterwards very efficient for experienced users (including "computer
people").
> Another problem is that a crash often loses the user's data, and even
> when it doesn't it disrupts his train of thought.
As for the loss of data, there are two things :
- the loss of what you've been doing just after the last save of your work.
This applies only when you use apps that work in memory (many of them are of
course). In most cases sotware could (and often does) include some autosave
& rescue feature. If not, you easily get used to auto-saving yourself, at
the critical stages (= your personal division of the train of thought into
elementary tasks). If you're working with software working on the hard drive
in a transactional manner, this simply cannot occur....
- the loss of the data that was on the hard disk. I've not encountered such
a problem due to a system hang on Windows. The only problems I've
encountered with the file system losing files was on temporary and/or data
caches (such as temporary internet files). In both cases, the corruption of
that data is of no or minor incidence, because those data are expected to be
volatile anyway.
On the other hand, it is likely to occur if the bug comes from your app
corrupting your data. But here we are speaking of the OS, not the apps.
We're even not speaking of bugs, we're speaking of stability, which is the
ability of the system not to crash. On the experience I have, such crashes
have become quite rare since Win98 (and altogether very rare under NT4),
except for instance when you are doing some direct hardware access with
buggy games and non certified video drivers (My personal experience of
things, but I do have some experience on different machines in different
contexts for very different uses)... I've encountered a few hangs on Win98SE
that are not related to the OS but to a precise hardware conflict, which is
not the fault of the OS. There are conditions that crash IE5 and / or its
desktop, but on both cases it does not crash the OS or the apps. (That would
be similar to your linux window manager crashing, except perhaps if your
apps are children of the window manager ? Does it crash the apps then ?).
> I doubt that you would
> get a user looking at the BSOD to agree that it is quality.
That's because their quality requirements include stability. The reason here
is that of course stability would be a requirement for everybody if it was
available at the same time as all their other requirements. Linux is pretty
stable, but for many people, that's about all there is about it. Microsoft's
understanding of the problem was better on that point : they have two
versions of the Windows OS, sharing lots of apps. One is specialized on
stability, security, etc... The other is specialized in raw efficiency (for
games, for instance), direct hardware use, legacy hardware support, legacy
apps support.
Why not both in one OS ? Because it's not an easy thing to do (nobody quite
managed to do it yet), and they _do_ have to take their legacy into account,
because of how many customers they have.
Yannick.
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From: Edward Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing win-modem in the linux mandrake x windows
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:13:22 -0700
Nightshade wrote:
> The modem in qustion is a HSP V90 56K Flex modem.
>
This is like saying that my video card is SVGA. Many modems are HSP V90.
What is the chip set? Who makes it? What is the output of
/proc/bus/pci/devices, etc...?
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