Linux-Misc Digest #890, Volume #25 Thu, 28 Sep 00 12:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: rpm confusion (ray)
Problem booting SUSE linux and dos when two SCSI disk on machine ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Get the Red Hat 7.0 iso's here (Rod Smith)
Re: Does Anyone know How to DO this? (Andre-John Mas)
Re: HELP! - Corel Linux install (Glen Stromquist)
Re: Linux Deployment Tools (-ljl-)
Re: Does Anyone know How to DO this? (Kent Perrier)
Re: SSH + RH 6.2 - Is RH secure and stable? (NAVARRO LOPEZ)
Java on Netscape (Was Re: Java on Linux?) (Bob Schreibmaier)
Console line drawing characters display garbage (Ken Corbin)
Where to put Lilo ("Dennis J. Tuchler")
Re: [Fwd: Netscape often crashes. Any fix?] (Andrew Purugganan)
Linux driver for Voodoo 5??? (Brandon Hoppe)
Re: Get the Red Hat 7.0 iso's here (Robert Lewis)
Re: [Fwd: Netscape often crashes. Any fix?] (Andreas K�h�ri)
Re: LILO AND RAID0 (Emilio Federici)
Re: SSH + RH 6.2 - Is RH secure and stable? (NAVARRO LOPEZ)
Re: BIND ACL Workarounds (was: Re: been hacked...have a question) (NAVARRO LOPEZ)
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From: ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: rpm confusion
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:19:29 GMT
Martin Herrman wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:07:38 +0200, Peter Buzanits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > # rpm -i packetname.rpm
> > package packetname is already installed
> >
> > # rpm -e packetname.rpm
> > error: package packetname is not installed
> >
> > # rpm -V packetname.rpm
> > package packetname is not installed
> >
> > # rpm --version
> > RPM version 3.0.3
> >
> >
> > Any ideas what's wrong?
>
> when removing an rpm with the '-e' option, only use its name, without .rpm,
> thus:
>
> rpm -i packetname.rpm
>
> rpm -e packetname
>
> for upgrading, use: rpm -Uvh packetname.rpm
>
> HTH!
>
> Martin
>
> > It failed to install the first time, but that should not yield to this behavior...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Peter
>
> --
> Linux Gebruikers Handleiding v1.2 : http://2mypage.cjb.net
> Linux RedHat 6.1 Kernel 2.2.17 Toshiba P233 MHz, 32 Mb RAM
> 3:20pm up 6:08, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> Western Civilization, that would be a good idea!
Yes, and this is handy too. rpm -qa >rpms.txt
that will give you a txt file of the actual NAMES of the installed packages, which you
can then grep through
even if you just have a "piece" of the name, and find it quickly. Also, things like rpm
-qa |grep somepkg
will work well too.
--
Ray R. Jones
Errors have been made. Others will be blamed.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Problem booting SUSE linux and dos when two SCSI disk on machine
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:08:04 GMT
I have recently installed a second SCSI disk into my PC. I then reran
lilo.
Linux still boots fine but when I boot into windows dos gets confused
and thinks the C drive is the D drive and visa vera.
Is there anyway I can fix this
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Get the Red Hat 7.0 iso's here
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:23:11 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <8qrn9r$e6p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"John Tulabing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Did you try any of the European sites?
I did. After trying EVERY North American site, I got what I needed from
download.xs4all.nl yesterday. It didn't seem to be too crowded at that
time, but perhaps it's swamped today. I even got respectable download
speeds (~60MB/s on my 608/128 DSL connection).
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: Andre-John Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Anyone know How to DO this?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:42:54 GMT
Several things:
- since you have NT you can get a copy of explore2fs
and see if it can see the partition.
- if you take the installer disk/CD and when you get
into the option screen type:
vmlinuz root=/dev/hda?
where ? is the partition id - it has been a while
since I have used this, but I believe that is the
right line.
Andre
In article <8qv0kd$mo3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Jack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had 2 6GB HD with NT and other stuff on the first HD.
> The second HD had 3GB (FAT) first partition for my data
> The rest of the 2nd HD partition were used for linux. With
> the boot partition on /dev/hdb5
>
> Now I have replaced the 2 6GB HD with a single 13GB HD
> I have done an image copy (using Power Quest's Drive Image)
> of my NT and linux partions from the old 2 6GB HD onto the
> new single 13 GB HD successfully. NT boots OK. The boot
> partition for Linux has now changed to say /dev/hda5
>
> Problem:
> Obviously my original bootable floppy and etc/fstab on the current HD
> still points to hdb5. I have edited /etc/lilo.conf on the floppy to
point
> to
> /dev/hda5 and when I boot from the floppy reports a "panic" (i think
kernel
> panic)
> error. I have tried re-booting using the Redhat 6.2 CD in rescue mode
and
> using:
> mount -t ext2 /dev/hda5 / to mount the root directory. I think it
mounts
> the dir
> because the listing shows some of my files. However when I when I do a
> listing
> in the /etc directory I only see files that were already there by the
virtue
> of the
> bootable CD. Hence /etc/mtab is there but /etc/fstab is NOT there.
>
> Que
> How can I restore the system from here. What files do I need to
modify.
> Any link? how to? Any help greatly appreciated.
>
> Jack
>
>
--
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From: Glen Stromquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP! - Corel Linux install
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:51:50 GMT
I tried the mount -tvfat /dev/hdb /home/win98, but still get an error.
I don't think the disk is physically damaged because Norton showed it
as ok, other than the boot sector. I'll try the other commands you
suggested and see what happens. When I ran fdisk then ran the l command
on it the disk showed 1 big partition I think, there was a partition on
hdb1 that I deleted with linux fdisk, prbably shouldn't have done that
huh? I was going to delete the other linux partition using linux fdisk
but thought I may lose all my data, (if I already hadn't by then).
Interestingly, dos fdisk shows one big primary, active partition on the
disk when I run it to show partition info.
I downloaded the demo version of Ontracks easyrecovery program and ran
it just to look at the disk, it shows the drive as having one
big "unknown" filesystem partition, and finds about 28 files and 19
empty directories, so I dont know if that means the other files are
toast or it just cant see them.
I am debating on whether or not to remove the linux partition using
linux fdisk, but wouldn't that destroy the data for sure?
Even after all of this I am not soured on linux, (I'm familiar with and
work with AIX), but I will be VERY carefull next time I install it on
its own disk, in fact I will remove the win(lose) disk completely
before doing this and use a boot utility instead of an os dual boot
method. And I don't think Corel will be my choice!, although what I did
see I liked, to be perfectly honest about it.
> Don't do that unless the disk is physically damaged! It's unlikely
(but
> possible) this is the case. To find out if it is, plug the disk into
> /dev/hdb and do something like
> dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/null bs=8192 count=20000
> and watch for error messages. If none come up, the disk isn't
> physically damaged.
>
> What does "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" show you? Does it look sane? There
> should be one big partition on it if it's followed the standard Lose9x
> conventions. If that is not the case, Linux fdisk can recreate the
> partition table, or there's another utility called "gpart" that can do
> the same thing in an automatic way. The mount command is "mount -t
vfat
> /dev/hdb1 /mountpoint" too--hdb by itself will not work.
>
> I remember the first message in this thread; I don't think you did
> anything that could've caused the filesystem on /dev/hdb to get hosed.
> However, I was without Net access for 36 hours recently, and I've
missed
> about 140 articles in this NG. If you munged around with Lose9x disk
> utilities, all bets are off... some of those can wreck a filesystem
> beyond easy repair, just like their Linux counterparts.
>
> --
> Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us
to see
> Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Those who do not understand Unix are
> http://www.brainbench.com / condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> -----------------------------/ --Henry Spencer
>
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From: -ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Deployment Tools
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:51:40 GMT
In article <uWGA5.6386$tL4.130804@zonnet-reader-1>,
"J.Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am looking for tools that would help to deploy and manage Linux and
> replace M$-Windows. However, I have become rather accustomed to the
Smart move :-)
Take a look at Linuxconf:
http://www.solucorp.qc.ca/linuxconf/
I've had no experience with this program.
--
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From: Kent Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Anyone know How to DO this?
Date: 28 Sep 2000 10:00:43 -0500
"Jack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Problem:
> Obviously my original bootable floppy and etc/fstab on the current HD
> still points to hdb5. I have edited /etc/lilo.conf on the floppy to point
> to
> /dev/hda5 and when I boot from the floppy reports a "panic" (i think kernel
> panic)
> error. I have tried re-booting using the Redhat 6.2 CD in rescue mode and
> using:
> mount -t ext2 /dev/hda5 / to mount the root directory. I think it mounts
> the dir
> because the listing shows some of my files. However when I when I do a
> listing
> in the /etc directory I only see files that were already there by the virtue
> of the
> bootable CD. Hence /etc/mtab is there but /etc/fstab is NOT there.
I doubt that the mount -t ext2 /dev/hda5 / command worked. This would have
mounted /dev/hda5 over the existing / filesystem. Try mounting /dev/hda5 on
/mnt and looking at /mnt/etc/fstab
Kent
--
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-- Jamie Zawinski
http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/grave.html
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From: NAVARRO LOPEZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SSH + RH 6.2 - Is RH secure and stable?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:57:09 +0200
Hi Ethan:
Ethan Schwartz wrote:
>
> Is there any easy way to setup SSH (and eliminate unencrypted telnet logins
> completely) in Red Hat 6.2? I was hoping for a "point and click" (so to
> speak) solution...
>
Installing/configuring ssh on a vanilla RH 6.2 distro:
1/ get from rpm.find.net the following packages:
openssl-0.9.5a-3.i386.rpm
openssh-2.2.0p1-2.i386.rpm
openssh-server-2.2.0p1-2.i386.rpm
openssh-clients-2.2.0p1-2.i386.rpm
2/ run the following command as root:
rpm -Uhvv openssl-0.9.5a-3.i386.rpm openssh-2.2.0p1-2.i386.rpm
openssh-server-2.2.0p1-2.i386.rpm openssh-clients-2.2.0p1-2.i386.rpm
3/ Start the SSH daemon (as root):
/etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd
4/ Test if (from your user account):
ssh -l root localhost
That's all (hope you don't find this too complex instructions ;^)
> My server is going to be for mild usage (5-10 users max, probably no more
> then 1 or 2 at any given time), but I want to make sure that it's as secure
> as possible and rock solid...
>
Then, try the Excalibur trick: turn it off and cover it with fresh
cement. Wait for it to dry, and that's it.
> Was RH 6.2 a bad choice? If it is, I'd like to know now, rather then 6
> months down the line when everyone is setup and configured... I know alot of
> people have balked when I say that I'm using Red Hat and toss out
> suggestions like FreeBSD and other distros of linux like Mandrake, Caldera,
> Suse, etc...
Probably FreeBSD is the most secure non-specialized Un*x out-of-the-box
over there. On the long run there's not too many differences among
distros, anyway, since it all deppends on the abilies of the sysadmin.
Anyway, if you find comfortable on RH I would suggest having a look at
trustix (www.trustix.com). Their aim is to build a "strongified"
RH-based distro.
--
SALUD,
Jes�s
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Schreibmaier)
Subject: Java on Netscape (Was Re: Java on Linux?)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:11:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Garry Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Exits Funnel wrote:
>
>>Sun's JDK is available on linux but am wondering what alternatives there
>>are.
>
>http://www.ibm.com/java/jdk/118/linux/ IBM's jdk1.1.8 for Linux
>http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux.html Blackdown Java 1.1.7 JDK for Linux
I hope this isn't a FAQ, but is there a way to make Netscape use
this for Java applets instead of its buggy internal code?
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Corbin)
Subject: Console line drawing characters display garbage
Date: 28 Sep 2000 08:17:57 PST
Just upgraded to Redhat 6.2 (just before 7.0 comes out. figures...)
Everything is working fine except that console menuing programs like
sndconfig that try to display pretty boxes on the console display garbage.
It happens on two different CPU's with two different graphics cards using
the same hard disk, but doesn't happen on another machine where 6.2 was
installed on a different hard disk. Clearly I have set up something wrong
somewhere, but I can't figure out what it is.
Any help would be gratefully appreciated.
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From: "Dennis J. Tuchler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Where to put Lilo
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:22:35 GMT
In a dual-boot situation, in which OS2 supplies the boot menu and Linux
occupies the third, fourth and fifth partitions (second, third and
fourth logical partitions), where do I put LILO? Is there a boot record
for each partition or do I just store it in the root directory somewhere
(where?)?
Thanks
djtuchler
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Netscape often crashes. Any fix?]
Date: 28 Sep 2000 15:21:43 GMT
Andreas K�h�ri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[ In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[ TM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[ >TM a �crit :
[ >
[ >> Hi,
[ >>
[ >> when using netscape 4.72 or 4.75 sooner or later it stops working and
[ >> freezes so I have to kill it.
[ >>
[ >> Do you people have the same trouble and did some of you found a way to
[ >> fix it?
[ >>
[ How much later is "sooner or later"? Two weeks? 30 seconds? I haven't
[ had a problem with any of the two versions (on Solaris and various
[ GNU/Linux distributions). Oh, some MS web pages causes it to freeze,
[ yes, but then I just make a mental note not to go there anymore.
when u say MS web pages do you mean microsoft.com web pages or pages that
were built using ASP or whatever (those are from MS, aren't they?)
I have the freeze problem on an earlier version of NS, so why should I upgrade
if it still has that feature
--
jazz
Registered linux user no. 164098 +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
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From: Brandon Hoppe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,linux.help,alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Linux driver for Voodoo 5???
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:21:37 -0500
Is there a driver for Voodoo 5 or what driver will work?
Thanx
Brandon
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From: Robert Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Get the Red Hat 7.0 iso's here
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:41:46 -0700
On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:23:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod
Smith) wrote:
>I even got respectable download
> speeds (~60MB/s on my 608/128 DSL connection).
I really doubt you got ~60 MB/s on a DSL connection.
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Subject: Re: [Fwd: Netscape often crashes. Any fix?]
From: Andreas K�h�ri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 Sep 2000 17:43:04 +0100
In article <8qvnm7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Andrew Purugganan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Andreas K�h�ri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[cut]
>[ How much later is "sooner or later"? Two weeks? 30 seconds? I haven't
>[ had a problem with any of the two versions (on Solaris and various
>[ GNU/Linux distributions). Oh, some MS web pages causes it to freeze,
>[ yes, but then I just make a mental note not to go there anymore.
>
>when u say MS web pages do you mean microsoft.com web pages or pages that
>were built using ASP or whatever (those are from MS, aren't they?)
>
>I have the freeze problem on an earlier version of NS, so why should I upgrade
>if it still has that feature
I really didn't mean "MS web pages", rather I meant "web pages with
lots of fancy scripts and where everything seems to be dynamic and
developed using some so-called HTML editor".
It's up to you if you want to upgrade a program or not. A bug in an
older version might still be present in the newer version, as well as
new features and new bugs. Closed source is like a box of chocolate...
/A
--
Andreas K�h�ri, <URL:http://hello.to/andkaha/>. Junk mail, no.
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From: Emilio Federici <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LILO AND RAID0
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:57:49 GMT
"moonie;)" wrote:
>
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Emilio Federici wrote:
> >Hi everybody! Since I installed software RAID0 on my system I've been
> >booting with Win98 and Linux with loadlin. But now I'd like to upgrade
> >to Win2000 and so I have to use LILO wich seems not able to install on
> >the RAID0:
> >
> >LILO version 21.5-1, Copyright (C) 1992-1998 Werner Almesberger
> >Extensions beyond version 21 Copyright (C) 1999-2000 John Coffman
> >Released 24-Aug-2000 and compiled at 16:25:00 on Sep 7 2000.
> >Reading boot sector from current root. Merging with /boot/boot.b Fatal:
> >Only RAID1 devices are supported for boot images
> >
> >Can anybody help me?
> >--
> >Emilio Federici
> >NUOVO INDIRIZZO-> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <- NUOVO INDIRIZZO
> >ICQ:27013758
>
> Try this how-to:
>
> http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Boot+Root+Raid+LILO.html
>
> --
> moonie ;)
>
> Registered Linux User #175104
> http://counter.li.org
>
> KDE2
> Kernel 2.4.0-test5
> XFree86 4.0 Nvidia .94 drivers
> RAID 0 Striped
> Test-Pilots-R-Us ;)
I've downloaded that HOWTO on my system some time ago. I've read it many
times but as far as I can see it is only intended for RAID1/4/5 not for
RAID0. There's an appendix explaining how to use initrd to boot a
non-RAID0 partition and then switch the root partition using the
command:
echo >0x902>/proc/sys/kernel/real-root/dev
unfortunately on my SuSE distro that file under /proc doesn't exist so I
don't know how to change root.
--
Emilio Federici
NUOVO INDIRIZZO-> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <- NUOVO INDIRIZZO
ICQ:27013758
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From: NAVARRO LOPEZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SSH + RH 6.2 - Is RH secure and stable?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:16:54 +0200
Ethan Schwartz wrote:
>
> Is there any easy way to setup SSH (and eliminate unencrypted telnet logins
> completely) in Red Hat 6.2? I was hoping for a "point and click" (so to
> speak) solution...
>
> My server is going to be for mild usage (5-10 users max, probably no more
> then 1 or 2 at any given time), but I want to make sure that it's as secure
> as possible and rock solid...
>
Oh! by the way, I don't really think you really want an "as secure as
possible and rock solid" system but due to your ignorance: You can't
get it on a point-and-click way (are you *rrrrrreally* ready to confy
your system to a program compiled by you-don't-know-who?) The only rock
solid, as secure as possible way to build a system is building yourself,
controlling both software and hardware, having a policy in place on how
the system is going to be used, and enforcing it, obviously having all
the needed knowlegde on how to achieve this, and time and resources to
maintain that stuff running on. Even then you will find your system is
pretty unusable due to any commodities being ripped off from it, and
finding that even the most simple tasks need an awfull amount of work to
get them done: let's take for instance what my three steps guide for
installing ssl/ssh becomes:
*Get the command from the SCM department to get this service in place
(you are the SCM department, but even then you will have to consider why
you need ssh, what the alternatives are, what the objectives are to be
reached when this new service is in place, and how are you going to
measure that those goals are indeed flawlessly acomplished, etc.)
*Review how this new service will interact with all the other services
in place.
*Get the source code.
*Review the source code.
*Get the RPM source code. (it includes pre and post install scripts that
must be reviewed).
*Compile the source RPM (not to mention how are you going to be
confident on gcc and other tools you need just to compile the SRPM)
*distribute it on a secure way (you don't have compiling/configuring
tools on a rock-solid box, do you?)
*Install it
*Test-case it
*Teach your users the proper way to use the new tool. Look for the way
to enforce that proper way (probably you will need further tools that
will go through this whole process too)
*Roll out the new service
*Track and monitorize how the system is running once it's on the
production environment
...
Now you know why so many systems (even sensible systems) become cracked.
--
SALUD,
Jes�s
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From: NAVARRO LOPEZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: BIND ACL Workarounds (was: Re: been hacked...have a question)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:32:52 +0200
MIchael Erskine wrote:
>
> NAVARRO LOPEZ wrote:
> >
> > Hi MIchael:
> >
>
> :) Ok, and admittedly I am way out of my league on this issue. I will
> defer to your expertise. Still It seems to me that a chrooted
> environment
> would be a nice way to set up a honey pot. The purpose of the honey pot
> being to use as a method (not of studying) but of tracking down cracker
> activity. Probably completely unnecessary, just a thought.
>
Well, it is probably my poor English, but what I wanted to say is that
trying to build a honeypot is one (of the few) valid reasons I find for
a completly chrooted environment. What you use the honeypot for is
obviously up to you (though I don't see big differences between saying
"studying" and "tracking down"). A different question is who do you
convince your dear cracker to choose your honeypot instead of a valid
system (by the way, what is the title of this real-based novel about the
hunting of that in?-famous cracker? Wasn't he studied/tracked down
using an all-chrooted honeypot?)
>
> SALUD, CUIDADO.
> Miguel
>
So, here we're speaking English when we could do it better in Spanish???
8P
--
SALUD,
Jes�s
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