Linux-Misc Digest #14, Volume #26 Thu, 12 Oct 00 16:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: How do I install Win95 without stuffing up my MBR? (Neil W Rickert)
Re: What is System.map ?
Re: What is System.map ? (Chris J/#6)
Re: Corel(Debian) Linux and glibc upgrade (Paul Kimoto)
Re: problems patching kernel (Paul Kimoto)
Thank you! (Re: How do I install Win95 without stuffing up my MBR?) (Jacques Guy)
Re: Financial software ~ Quickbooks Pro ~ Linux? (Frank Miles)
Re: Invalid password under X (Jean-David Beyer)
Re: Why doesn't rm -R *.obj work? (Floyd Davidson)
Re: Xemacs on Corel (Debian) Linux (Robert Kiesling)
Re: What is System.map ? ("J.Smith")
Re: Financial software ~ Quickbooks Pro ~ Linux? (John-Paul Stewart)
Re: Using the dos version of dd... ("J.Smith")
Re: What is System.map ? (Vilmos Soti)
Re: Why doesn't rm -R *.obj work? (Vilmos Soti)
Re: Kernel 2.2.16 (RedHat7.0) and parallel CD-RW (Jon Shemitz)
Re: no pty's (Thomas Corriher)
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From: Neil W Rickert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I install Win95 without stuffing up my MBR?
Date: 12 Oct 2000 12:03:47 -0500
Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Now, please, please, stop throwing bricks at me.
>I write educational software (sort of) and not
>everybody uses Linux. I have so far held back on
>installing Win9x, because I was warned it would
>take over my MBR and I'd end up in deep shit.
Here is the easy way to do it.
Take a blank formatted floppy, preferably 1.44 M.
Insert in the floppy drive.
dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/fd0 count=1
That saves a copy of your MBR to the floppy boot record.
To test -- reboot your system with that floppy installed. The
floppy should start the LILO boot for you.
Now go ahead and install Win95.
Then reinsert that floppy, to get you back to your linux system.
Then you can rerun '/sbin/lilo'.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is System.map ?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:10:04 -0000
The System.map file contains de-bug information about the kernel you
just "made". This file is not required for the system to boot or
function. You will see some errors in you log file as a result of it not
being there - but who cares. The only people who need this file are hard
core programmers. What I am trying to say is, put it there if you want it
does not matter.
J.Smith wrote:
>
>
> Hi.
>
> I just did a kernel compile on my linux system, and noticed, besides the
> bzImage of course, a file called 'System.map'. I know I have to copy it
to
> my /boot dir, just like the kernel image, but I was just wondering what
this
> file exactly *is* and what it is needed for. Does lilo need it? Is it
needed
> for loadable modules?
>
> If anyone can explain this to me, or point me to an URL, it would be
greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris J/#6)
Subject: Re: What is System.map ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12 Oct 2000 18:17:08 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The System.map file contains de-bug information about the kernel you
>just "made". This file is not required for the system to boot or
>function. You will see some errors in you log file as a result of it not
>being there - but who cares. The only people who need this file are hard
>core programmers. What I am trying to say is, put it there if you want it
>does not matter.
>
Hmm...I had problems with a System.map mismatch on a 2.2.12 kernel - it
basically killed the modules system. Took me ages to work out what was
going wrong. depmod -a kept reporting unknown or unreferenced symbols
in every module. Once I sorted out the right System.map, all was hunky
dory.
Unless someone can correct me, you *need* a valid System.map for modules
to load.
Chris...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Corel(Debian) Linux and glibc upgrade
Date: 12 Oct 2000 13:23:12 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chetan Vora wrote:
> I'm contemplating upgrading the glibc version on my Corel (Debian) linux
> I download the source and thought of doing a compile (presumably the
> safest way). Reading
> the README file, though has scared me straight as it warns about how
> dangerous it is to try
> to upgrade glibc libraries. Has anyone of you safely and without much
> hassle done such a
> thing and if so, (a) could you share you experience (b) recall any
> things to be careful about ?
If you want to build it yourself (which I do not recommend), you should
also read the FAQ, e.g. at
http://sources.redhat.com/glibc/glibc-faq.html .
The Debian developers have tried to take care of many of these problems.
You can get the libc6 2.1.3-13 .debs (see the
http://www.debian.org/security/2000/20000902 security update for
locations) and install them.
Another, more thorough method is to install apt(8), put the lines
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free
in /etc/apt/sources.list, and run "apt-get update && apt-get
dist-upgrade".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: problems patching kernel
Date: 12 Oct 2000 13:26:25 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <8s4dhg$ba3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm trying to install Hedrick's IDE patch over the source of my 2.2.16
> kernel (from a fresh RedHat 7.0 install). I'm trying to get the HPT370
> controller on my motherboard (Abit KA7) to work.
>
> I installed the source rpm off of the cd. It installed correctly
> under /usr/src/linux. I put the patch in the /usr/src/linux directory,
> bunzip2'd it and ran:
> patch -p1 --dry-run < ide.2.2.16.patch
>
> A bunch of hunks succeed, then it stops because it can't find files
> under arch/mips/. The source tree on my machine has only an arch/i386
> branch, nothing else. The patch program stops at this point, asking me
> what file it should patch.
>
> What should I do at this point?
Hit return. It will ask whether some hunks should be ignored; answer yes.
> Is the source rpm missing some files?
Presumably the {alpha,arm,m68k,mips,ppc,s390,sparc,sparc64} parts. These
don't matter to i*86.
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:33:00 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Thank you! (Re: How do I install Win95 without stuffing up my MBR?)
Thank you Eric, thank you Neil. I suspected the
solution(s) had to be very simple under Linux,
but I did not know what they could be. It
turns out to be even easier than I expected.
(I found mkbootdisk in /sbin -- I am using
Mandrake which, I am told, is just Red Hat with
eye candy on top).
Again, many thanks!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Miles)
Subject: Re: Financial software ~ Quickbooks Pro ~ Linux?
Date: 12 Oct 2000 17:12:57 GMT
In article <8s4i1f$ffi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, -ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Brett Randall wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all
>> >
>> > I am looking to totally replace Windows with Linux. I have been
>> > working with, administrating, programming and hacking up linux for
>> > around 4 years now, but not once have I found a reasonable financial
>> > accounting package for small-to-medium businesses.
gnucash is pretty good, quite stable (not the development version), but
probably not yet ready for business applications.
You might want to look into:
http://www.simtax.ca/acc
for a more business-oriented program.
Neither of these fill the need for tax-prep software.
HTH--
-frank
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Invalid password under X
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:40:48 -0400
"�ric GARANT" wrote:
> (First of all: I am French-speaking so my English cannot be perfect :o)
>
> Hi,
> I'm using RedHat 6.0.
> I can log-in as 'root' in Console mode. There's no problem.
> However, I can't log-in in X (KDE or Gnome). It says my password is invalid
> ! But this is the same user (root) and the same password than in Console
> mode. (BTW, don't tell me that I must be aware of case-sensitive characters,
> I do already know this !)
OK, but do you know this one that used to burn me: the digits on the number pad
do not correspond to the digits in the unshifted row of keys with the digits on
them. I find I must avoid the number pad when keying in the digits of a
password.
> In order to access to X, I have created a "normal" user and then I can
> log-in to X with this one. But there must be a way to log-in as 'root' in X
> ! (because I do want to log-in as root because I'm the lonely user of my
> system and I want to have full control on everything; I'm exploring and
> learning Linux in the same time.)
>
> In fact.. my question is: why does my root user password work properly in
> console mode, but doesn't want to work with graphical interfaces ? And how
> to make it work in X ?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help (I'm a newbie with Linux ! :o)
>
> - �ric GARANT
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^^-^^ 1:35pm up 2 days, 19:14, 2 users, load average: 2.03, 2.10, 2.03
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Why doesn't rm -R *.obj work?
Date: 12 Oct 2000 09:19:17 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian V. Smith) wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun) writes:
>|>
>|> 'rm -R *.obj' still won't decend into subdirectories and remove
>|> all the .obj files.
>
>But the * has NEVER changed. The shell expands the *, not rm, so it will
>only remove files with the suffix .obj in the CURRENT directory.
That is not quite true.
It will also remove any _directories_ that match the regular
expression (and all files and sub-directories in that
directory).
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Kiesling)
Crossposted-To: comp.emacs.xemacs,comp.emacs,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Xemacs on Corel (Debian) Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12 Oct 2000 14:08:24 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chetan Vora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>Thanks for all the replies. I went with what many of you said and did an
>amazingly painless compile from the 21.1.12 source. Unfortunately, not all
>things work (most notably, I couldn't get cc-mode to work properly yet) but
>I have the most basic functionality. I have a somewhat stupid question -
>what is the difference between installing a lisp package in the default
>place (/usr/local/lib/xemacs*/xemacs-packages) versus installing it anywhere
>and using (setq load-path (cons "/dir/of/cc-mode/" load-path)) in the .emacs
>file. For eg, can I install the lisp package in /mydir/cc-mode* and use the
>above in .emacs ?
If it's a standard package, then I would install it in the system
/usr/local/lib directory, if only for your own sanity and so that it
gets upgraded with the rest of the distribution packages, because it
might also depend on other files in that location... I'm not sure, but
GNU Emacs doesn't have that library packaging, which is what I use,
but if the file(s) are not part of the standard Xemacs packages then,
they should be installable in any directory..., and if the package
depends on other files' locations, then that should be mentioned
somewhere in the documentation, or resolved if the .el files are byte
compiled during installation.
--
Robert Kiesling
Linux FAQ Maintainer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mainmatter.com/linux-faq/toc.html http://www.mainmatter.com/
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From: "J.Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: What is System.map ?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:54:08 +0200
>
> No. The kernel knows the addresses. ;-) That file is needed for
> some programs which need info about kernel entry points, and also,
> if you have an Oops (kernel bug), then you can easily figure out
> which function caused it.
>
Thanks! That clears up a lot for me. One last question though, if you dont
mind, and you seem to know what youre talking about :)
The programs that *do* need the existence of system.map, will they be
looking for /boot/system.map, or are they able to figure out that kernel.1 &
system.map.1, kernel.2 & system.map.2 belong together? Does it make sense to
change a symlink system.map to the correct system.map every time the system
gets booted? Or are these programs primarly debugging tools that allow you
to specify the correct system.map on the command line?
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From: John-Paul Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Financial software ~ Quickbooks Pro ~ Linux?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:03:56 GMT
Brett Randall wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I am looking to totally replace Windows with Linux. I have been
> working with, administrating, programming and hacking up linux for
> around 4 years now, but not once have I found a reasonable financial
> accounting package for small-to-medium businesses.
>
> I currently use QuickBooks Pro 6.0 for Windows, and I want most of the
> same functionality in a Linux package. I don't mind paying for it, it
> just needs to be proven to work well. I don't want to use WINE
> emulation at this stage.
>
Why don't you want to use WINE? From what i can gather on
comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine QuickBooks seems to work as
does Quicken 2000. Setup may to be a little tricky, but
once you're past that, you're good to go. I have not yet
tried Quicken 2000 under WINE myself--give me another week
and I will--but from what I have read on the NG, it does
appear to work.
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From: "J.Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Using the dos version of dd...
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:14:07 +0200
Hhmmm...
Well how about if=\dev\fd0 ? (with the slashes the other way around?)
But how about WinImage? It lets you create/write floppy disk images. Check
out
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/gvollant/winimage.htm
"Little Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8s45k7$5d9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I've gone and got myself a copy of unix95.zip which contains dd.exe
> which is essentially dd for dos.
>
> I would like to use it for making floppy images for easier distribution
> of boot disks at work, however as I dont (officially) have a linux
> box at work I'm stuck using dos.
>
> In linux I would normally use
> dd if=/dev/fd0 of=floppy.img
> to create an image file
>
> and
> dd if=floppy.img of=/dev/fd0
>
> to write it back to a floppy. However this doesn't work with the dos
> version as dos doesn't know anything about /dev/fd0...
> if=a:
> if=a:\
> if="a:"
> if="a:\"
>
> All fail to work (Permission denied errors) - so can anyone think of
> a way arround this? (Unfortunately I need to use the dos version as
> out PC technicians need to be able to run a dos batchfile to create
> a new image or to write one to a floppy. And no, putting linux on
> all our machines is *not* an option! <grin> I'm having a hard
> enough time persuading management to let me have a linux box to
> evaluate! )
>
> Any help you can give would be much appreciated, however unfortunately
> I don't have much in the way of newsgroup access at the moment, so
> if you can help it'd be great if you mailed me a copy (lp @ juggler .
> net)
>
> Ta muchly in advance...
>
> --
> The Little Paul with the Big Kitbag
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: What is System.map ?
From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:30:47 GMT
"J.Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The programs that *do* need the existence of system.map, will they be
> looking for /boot/system.map, or are they able to figure out that kernel.1 &
> system.map.1, kernel.2 & system.map.2 belong together? Does it make sense to
> change a symlink system.map to the correct system.map every time the system
> gets booted? Or are these programs primarly debugging tools that allow you
> to specify the correct system.map on the command line?
I don't know this. But I think they simply look for /boot/System.map.
Under RH6, there is a file called /sbin/installkernel which messes with
links the System.map file, which' filename includes version info, to
System.map.
Vilmos
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Why doesn't rm -R *.obj work?
From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:33:27 GMT
Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> 'rm -R *.obj' still won't decend into subdirectories and remove
>>> all the .obj files.
>>
>>But the * has NEVER changed. The shell expands the *, not rm, so it will
>>only remove files with the suffix .obj in the CURRENT directory.
>
> That is not quite true.
>
> It will also remove any _directories_ that match the regular
> expression (and all files and sub-directories in that
> directory).
Just for the sake of perfectness, this is not a regular expression.
The shell's file expansion is similar to regular expressions, but they
are not the same.
Vilmos
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From: Jon Shemitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.16 (RedHat7.0) and parallel CD-RW
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:53:51 -0700
> Does anyone know how to compile kernel 2.2.16 in order to be able
> to use a parallel CD-RW?
>
> I had it working on older kernels, but with this one no such luck.
Probably not, as the only time I've done it is to burn CD's to upgrade
from 2.2.12 (RH 6.1) to 2.2.16 (RH 7.0). However, I did have trouble
getting that to work, and it's at least possible that what worked for me
is not what you were doing before, and will work now. So:
"cdrecord dev=1,100,0" didn't work for me - I had to supply a device
name as well: "cdrecord dev=/dev/pg0:1,100,0".
HTH /Jon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Corriher)
Subject: Re: no pty's
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], abuse@[127.0.0.1]
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:00:11 GMT
On Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:10:53 -0700, jaim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am trying to log into a system using either telnet or ssh and I keep
>getting the response from the system I am logging in to that
>remote system is unable to grant request for pseudo terminal.
>If I look at /var/log/messages I see for ssh the grantty failed.
>It is very odd. I can get into the system through a standard
>analog modem though. What is also weird is that this system has
>an isdn modem which is its connection to the internet. I use
>a ppp-on script to initiate the connection. When I run the ppp-on
>script I get a response that there are no available /dev/pts's, but
>yet it connects to the provide okay. Once connect with ppp I can
>surf the net all I want.
>The system that is having the problem with pty's and /dev/pts is
>running mandrae 6.0. And no I can't upgrade it. The ssh
>I am using was built on that system. I am stuck on this one.
>Anybody know why or what the cause for the lack of available
>pty's is? And why remote login's can't create a /dev/pts device?
>Any help would be appreciated.
You must have recompiled the kernel and goofed. Recompile and
double-check your compile settings. HINT: Pay careful attention
to the kernel's "enable pts/pseudo terminals" option.
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The real email address is:
corriher at bellsouth.
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