Linux-Misc Digest #27, Volume #26 Sat, 14 Oct 00 11:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: How can one app crashing bring down whole system? ("D. D. Brierton")
Re: OpenBSD- Opinion (waciuk)
RH6.2: Mouse suddenly gone, cannot start KDE- What to do? (Bo Berglund)
MTA to replace sendmail... is it worth it? (S.Brautaset)
Re: Fisakars UPS + Linux (Keith Rhodes)
noisey MP3's ripped on Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
MTA replacement for sendmail (S.Brautaset)
Installation of PHP 4.0.3 (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean=2DSt=E9phane?= Lebrun)
Re: Slackware vs RedHat - Security (MaryP)
MTA replscement for sendmail (S.Brautaset)
Re: can't get via82cxxx to sing (Rod Smith)
Re: LILO version 21.6 released (John in SD)
Re: MTA to replace sendmail... is it worth it? (Rod Smith)
Re: Anybody get Netscape 6 Preview 3 to install? (Dave)
ftp login problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: RedHat 6&7 POP3 delay (Jem Berkes)
TV Tuner/Video Capture cards that support Win2K or Linux? (Igor)
Re: MTA replscement for sendmail (Art Haas)
Re: TV Tuner/Video Capture cards that support Win2K or Linux? (Jem Berkes)
Re: quake for linux? (Kyle Parfrey)
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From: "D. D. Brierton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can one app crashing bring down whole system?
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:08:23 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christopher
Browne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1. As far as we can tell from what you have said, there is no
> evidence that Linux had actually crashed in any of the situations
> you describe.
Yes. You are quite right. Linux itself had not crashed. The console had
however become effectively unusable. This still seems to me like a
linux problem, in that one linux app, say netscape, had effectively
hosed another, X. And I thought that linux itself was supposed to make
sure that kind of thing didn't happen.
> 2. There is a fundamental potential problem with software that
> interacts with the flakey video hardware that is typically sold
> with PCs.
Right. I hadn't really taken into consideration that part of the cause
might be hardware related.
> 5. It's still not evident from what you described that Linux itself
> had any problem at all.
As I said above, it hadn't. I perhaps slightly misdescribed the
situation. However, with a standalone workstation if the console
becomes unusable you have soething which is tantamount to the operating
system crashing.
Thanks for the interesting response.
Darren
--
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D. D. Brierton Department of Philosophy, University of Edinburgh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ddb
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From: waciuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OpenBSD- Opinion
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:37:02 -0400
OpenBSD is a GREAT os. I use it for firewalling, routing, and as a
workstation (in addition to Slackware). OpenBSD is very much negelected
as a workstation and this is a shame. While is does not have some of the
"out of the box" features that most linux/FreeBSD distros have, it is
easily configured into whatever you want. This is especially great for
when you want to have a fully functional workstation on a minimal setup.
You are not _defaulted_ into having a very bloated computer with lots of
nifty tools that you may never use.
Plus it nicely detected all of my cards (isaPnP too) and got them
working without even recompiling the kernel. Very nice. Also I find that
most of the files are more logically laid out IMO than say RedHat or
Corel. I always hate having to find a config file in a seven layer
subdir (ie /etc/network/ipv4/....)
OpenBSD is a great choice for lots of applications.
Cheers
Rafael wrote:
>
> "OpenBSD has the best security reputation of any operating system"
> Have any tried OpenBSD is it good?
>
> Rafael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bo Berglund)
Subject: RH6.2: Mouse suddenly gone, cannot start KDE- What to do?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:36:25 GMT
I had a working system (RH6.2 w. KDE) when I wanted to add some RAM.
Shut down linux, powered off, added the RAM only to discover that the
PC did not start up at all... Removed new RAM started up and forgot to
attach mouse in PS/2 connector.
lilo started but after a while there was a message about hardware
missing (mouse) and I tried attaching the mouse but apparently too
late. :-(
Now whenever I reboot the machine (with the mouse attached) lilo
starts fine (no error messages) until it displays the console login
from which it automatically starts the graphical interface.
Screen blinks a few times, a mass of text races by and then there is
an error message "cannot open mouse, no such file or directory"
After a keypress I am back to conole login. I log in as root and try
startx but there is an error message about the mouse again!
Question:
What happened and how do I get my mouse back in again so I can boot
into KDE?? It does not help restarting the machine at least.
Bo Berglund
Software developer in Sweden
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
PGP: My public key is available at the following locations:
Idap://certserver.pgp.com
http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371
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Subject: MTA to replace sendmail... is it worth it?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (S.Brautaset)
Date: 14 Oct 2000 22:33:21 +0100
I am going to run a MTA on my laptop and I wonder if it is worth the effort to
try something else than sendmail. Sendmail works out of the box for my needs,
but it is a bit slow. I really don't need all the features that is has, I only
need my mail delivered safely.
I want to still use the spoolfiles under /var, that is why I don't want to use
qmail (I might be wrong here, but qmail uses maildirs in your home directory,
yes?)
Cheers, Stig
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From: Keith Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Fisakars UPS + Linux
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:39:11 +0200
Fiskars makes UPS units??? Last time I looked, it made kitchen knives and
scissors!
So, after making things to cut, it now makes things to avoid cuts...
Anyway, if your UPS has a serial port output that keeps one line high while the
mains power is on, and lets this line fall low when the mains cuts out and the
UPS kicks in, you should have no difficulty in modifying the UPS daemon. Look in
the UPS HowTo.
KR.
James Morris wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've just installed a nice big Fiskars UPS on our home network. We're
> running Redhat 6.2 as our proxy and I want to hook the ups to it so it will
> shut down gracefully when the power goes (80 gigs and ext2 = a long time of
> fsck).
>
> Does anyone know of any Linux Fiskars compatible UPS programs ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> James
--
==
I don't like spammers. So take the warning
out of my address before you reply.
++
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: noisey MP3's ripped on Linux
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:40:53 GMT
Hi,
I'm starting to explore mp3 ripping on Linux using Grip, cdparanoia and
either lame or bladenc.
I have some mp3 files ripped on other platforms, with samplig rates as
low as 44khz yet sound good.
On linux setting this low giveme just noise.
Even with the sampling rate at 128 khz I would say the sound quality is
poor, with high levels of hiss and odd volume-compression effects during
quiet passages .
I'm replaying with XMMS and the eSound plugin 1.2.3
Any ideas where I'm going wrong ?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Subject: MTA replacement for sendmail
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (S.Brautaset)
Date: 14 Oct 2000 23:01:30 +0100
I am going to run a MTA on my single-user laptop, because even if it has a LAN
connection to internet, it will not always be connected.
Sendmail runs out of the box for my purpose, but if I am not mistaken, sendmail
is designed for huge systems handeling enormous amounts of mail. Thus I would
be better off with a different MTA developed with the single-user systems in
mind.
I'd like to still use the /var/spoool/mail/<user> directory for
mail-retrieval. Almost anybody can do this, right?
Should I look into Qmail? Is there any other small MTA's out there worth
looking into? Please explain pro's and con's. Thank you!
Oh, I use Slackware 7.1.
Cheers, Stig
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean=2DSt=E9phane?= Lebrun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installation of PHP 4.0.3
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:14:13 +0100
Hello,
I want to use the following softwares :
- apache-1.3.12,
- php-4.0.12 like an apache static module,
- mysql-3.23.25.beta (at www.mysql.com, it's the only source files that
I can download).
I read advices from :
- newsgroups about linux et php
- README INSTALL files of these software
- FAQs of www.php.net www.phpindex.net
And PHP doesn't work at all.
Then :
- mysql works well,
- apache works not well : for html files no problems, for php files it
doesn't work.
- php : It 's a black hole.
I create the "test.php" file with <? phpinfo() ?> in
/the/path/ofapache/htdocs, and when I want to launch it from Netscape,
Netscape ask me where I want to save it !!
Where did I make a mistake ?
If someone can help me, thanks.
Best regards,
Jean-St�phane Lebrun
PS : This is my way to install these software on a Linux Mandrake 7.0.
1. The installation of de MySQL 3.23.25 beta
# cd /usr/src
# gunzip mysql-3.23.25-beta.tar.gz | tar xvf -
# cd / usr/src/mysql-3.23.25-beta
# ./configure
# make
# make install
I check the /etc/ld.so.conf file for the presence of :
/usr/local/lib/mysql
2. The first installation of apache 1.3.12
# cd /usr/src
# gunzip apache_1.3.12.tar.gz |tar xvf -
# cd /usr/src/apache_1.3.12
# ./configure --prefix==/usr/local/apache
3. The installation of php 4.0.3
# gunzip php-4.0.3.tar.gz | tar xvf -
# cd /usr/src/php-4.0.3
# ./configure --with-mysql --with-apache=../apache_3.1.12
--enable-track-vars
# make
# make install
4. The second installation of apache 1.3.12
# cd /usr/src/apache_1.3.12
# ./configure --activate-module=src/modules/php4/libphp4.a
# make
# make install
5. In the file "/usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf"
I add :
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
6. The php.ini file
cp /usr/src/php-4.0.3/php.ini-dist /usr/local/lib/php.ini
7. Restart of d'apache
/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl graceful
And PHP do not work at all !!!!!!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MaryP)
Subject: Re: Slackware vs RedHat - Security
Date: 14 Oct 2000 14:16:48 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rafael
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Which distribution is better regardles security?
Well, the people on the Slackware newsgroup are
always making fun of Red Hat people because RH
gets cracked so often. Whether this is because there
are more ppl using RH, or because there are more
programs floating around to crack RH, or because
Slack's security is better, I have no idea.
MP
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Subject: MTA replscement for sendmail
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (S.Brautaset)
Date: 14 Oct 2000 23:27:27 +0100
I am going to run a MTA on my single-user laptop, because even if it has a LAN
connection to internet, it will not always be connected.
Sendmail runs out of the box for my purpose, but if I am not mistaken, sendmail
is designed for huge systems handeling enormous amounts of mail. Thus I think I
would be better off with a different MTA developed with the single-user systems
in mind.
The effect that I want is that of queueing outgoing mail, and then sending it
off to my isp' smtp-server when I issue a command similar to 'sendmail -q'.
I use fetchmail to collect mail from my isp and put it in the
/var/spoool/mail/<user> directory. I would like to continue doing
this. fetchmail does not depend in sendmail in any way, does it? (It says so
during the install, however, I suspect it uses sendmail as an acronym for MTA.)
Should I look into Qmail? Is there any other small MTA's out there worth
looking into? Please explain pro's and con's. Thank you!
Oh, I use Slackware 7.1, and emacs/gnus to read mail (and news).
Cheers, Stig
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: can't get via82cxxx to sing
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:34:52 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <39e7b52c$1$qnivfs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Greetings!
>
> Trying to get this going under Mandrake Linux (and incidentally
> also under OS/2).
>
> The chip is on the mainboard -- I hate that! The board is a
> BIOSTAR m7vkb. The chip is supposed to emulate a soundblaster.
Rule #1 in buying a sound card for Linux or OS/2: *IGNORE* the words
"SoundBlaster-compatible." They mean **NOTHING**. You must have
device-specific drivers for almost all "SB-compatible" boards.
For this specific product, in Linux the best way to get it working is
to use the ALSA drivers. They include VIA 82cxxx drivers that actually
work, as opposed to the standard Linux kernel drivers, which can be
beaten into submission to produce very poor quality, after you've done
the necessary ritual sacrifices and incantations. Unfortunately, the
ALSA drivers are a bit of a pain to install. You're best off reading
the instructions two or three times before proceeding.
For OS/2, I hear that drivers have recently been released, but I don't
have a URL offhand. Try doing a search on http://www.deja.com/usenet/
or http://www.google.com.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: John in SD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: LILO version 21.6 released
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:39:22 GMT
On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:02:12 GMT, Rudi Sluijtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>John in SD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> LILO release 21.6 is based upon Werner Almesberger's LILO version 21.
>
>Could you please provide us with, or point to, some documentation about
>the usage of the "- Completely new menu-driven user interface."
Usage information on what keys to press is contained in the menu itself.
Customization information is provided in the 'man' pages for 'lilo.conf'.
--John
LILO version 21.6 (04-Oct-2000) source at
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/system/boot/lilo
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: MTA to replace sendmail... is it worth it?
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:45:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (S.Brautaset) writes:
> I am going to run a MTA on my laptop and I wonder if it is worth the effort to
> try something else than sendmail. Sendmail works out of the box for my needs,
> but it is a bit slow. I really don't need all the features that is has, I only
> need my mail delivered safely.
It depends on your needs. Certainly you shouldn't be noticing much in
the way of speed problems with sendmail on a small system that sends or
receives just a few messages a day. (There will, of course, be delays
of a few seconds as the system looks up recipients' IP addresses,
performs anti-spam checks if you use the RBL or something similar,
etc.) If your system is handling thousands of (more likely tens of
thousands, hundreds of thousands, or more) messages a day, you might
find qmail or Postfix to be more efficient, but a laptop is hardly the
appropriate machine for such a heavy-duty mail server, so I must assume
this isn't the case.
IMHO, both qmail and Postfix are easier to configure than is sendmail,
and that's the main reason small installations might want to consider
either of these. Of the two, Postfix is a closer match to sendmail's
way of operation -- it uses mail spool files under /var/mail, for
instance. Unless you're frustrated with sendmail's configuration files
or have some other specific complaint with sendmail, though, there's
little reason to bother with changing. If you really find sendmail to be
slow, please elaborate -- how much incoming and outgoing mail does your
system handle, what's your measure of speed, what level of performance
do you hope to achieve, etc.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anybody get Netscape 6 Preview 3 to install?
Date: 14 Oct 2000 09:50:15 -0500
Dave wrote:
> It's running sort of OK. The browser works fine, but I can't get the
> Messenger part connected to my news server yet. I started to
> download all the newsgroups, but I got into a bigtime disk swapping
> session. I eventually (after about a half hour) had to reboot. Even
> after shutting down Netscape and everything else, it was still
> grinding the disk.
Netscape 6 is a flaming piece of crap. I can't believe it took them 2
years to write this. The newsreader is totally unuseable. It just
disappears with no error message when I try to download all the
newsgroup titles, which is the first thing you have to do with any
newsreader.
I have the *exact* same problem with the Mac version! I haven't even
bothered to download the Windows version.
Netscape deserved to be bought by AOL! MS didn't run them out of
business - their software (still) just sucks.
Dave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: ftp login problem
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:53:43 GMT
i'm having problem login using ftp.
the error message in the log file says "not in any class". how can i fix it?
thanks.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Jem Berkes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: RedHat 6&7 POP3 delay
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:01:57 -0500
> Somebody must be seen this..
> The same symptoms with pine working on server directly (POP3 cannot
> disturb):
> if /var/spool/mail/userxx is empty, pine open inbox very fast, if not -
> waiting for ~2sec.
> The problem described above does not affects root.
I have noticed the same thing, but only on pine (I am using cucipop as a
pop3 client). But in pine, for non-root users there is definitely a
~2sec delay when opening a non-empty inbox. I couldn't figure this one
out. Any suggestions as to the reason?
==========
http://www.pc-tools.net/
DOS, Win32, Linux software
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Igor)
Crossposted-To: rec.video.desktop,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: TV Tuner/Video Capture cards that support Win2K or Linux?
Date: 14 Oct 2000 15:02:05 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you know of any decent TV/Video Capture card that supports EITHER
Win2k or Linux, please let me know. (I expect that most people would not
know a card that supports both just because they do not deal with the
two operating systems. So please let me know the cards that support
one of them).
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From: Art Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MTA replscement for sendmail
Date: 14 Oct 2000 10:00:59 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (S.Brautaset) writes:
> I am going to run a MTA on my single-user laptop, because even if it has a LAN
> connection to internet, it will not always be connected.
>
> Sendmail runs out of the box for my purpose, but if I am not mistaken, sendmail
> is designed for huge systems handeling enormous amounts of mail. Thus I think I
> would be better off with a different MTA developed with the single-user systems
> in mind.
>
> The effect that I want is that of queueing outgoing mail, and then sending it
> off to my isp' smtp-server when I issue a command similar to 'sendmail -q'.
>
> I use fetchmail to collect mail from my isp and put it in the
> /var/spoool/mail/<user> directory. I would like to continue doing
> this. fetchmail does not depend in sendmail in any way, does it? (It says so
> during the install, however, I suspect it uses sendmail as an acronym for MTA.)
>
> Should I look into Qmail? Is there any other small MTA's out there worth
> looking into? Please explain pro's and con's. Thank you!
>
> Oh, I use Slackware 7.1, and emacs/gnus to read mail (and news).
I use Qmail at home. Its configuration I found much simpler than
sendmail, and it was easy to build and install.
I use serialmail to handle mailing of queued message. It is designed
to work with qmail, and is equally easy to install and configure. It
was written by Dan Bernstein (sp?), the author of qmail.
Give it a shot.
--
###############################
# Art Haas
# (713) 689-2417
###############################
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From: Jem Berkes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.video.desktop,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: TV Tuner/Video Capture cards that support Win2K or Linux?
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:08:00 -0500
Igor wrote:
>
> If you know of any decent TV/Video Capture card that supports EITHER
> Win2k or Linux, please let me know. (I expect that most people would not
> know a card that supports both just because they do not deal with the
> two operating systems. So please let me know the cards that support
> one of them).
Check out
http://www.ati.com/na/pages/resource_centre/dev_rel/linux.html
==========
http://www.pc-tools.net/
DOS, Win32, Linux software
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From: Kyle Parfrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: quake for linux?
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:07:55 GMT
Dunno about quake 1 , but cnet have something (official) that apparently
lets you play quake II on linux if you the win quake II CD.
Kyle
Tijmen Stam wrote:
>
> Hi.
> I thought there was a quake (1) for linux fersion already out in stores,
> but I couldn't find any on games.linux.com. Can anyone tell me anything
> about it?
>
> p.s. I found about quake III, but I don't think a "trio 3d/2v" qualifies
> as a 3d card, does it...
>
> Tijmen
>
> --
> From Tijmen Stam - "I believe in Linux" - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> POVray page http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/somepage/ Last update: 20001010
> count linux @ counter.li.org reg#178552-54654, Machine#78930 & #78931
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