Linux-Misc Digest #136, Volume #26 Wed, 25 Oct 00 05:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux killed my computer (B'ichela)
Re: Slackware 7.1 / Telnet (B'ichela)
Re: Absurd mouse behavior (Tyler Larson)
Re: Partitioning Windows Intact (Tyler Larson)
Saving desktop question ("Lamar Thomas")
Re: Colour? (Victor Dods)
Re: SuSE6.4 and crashing netscape (Thomas Thyberg)
Re: Partitioning Windows Intact (Eric)
Re: Need some tools.. ("Nils Olav Sel�sdal")
Re: Application required - Word Processor (pel)
Re: "ls" ("Sjoerd Langkemper")
Re: ftp tools for linux ("Sjoerd Langkemper")
Problem with PCMCIA Ethernet card under new RedHat 7. (Jean-Yves Toumit)
Re: Redhat, Slackware, SUSE, FreeBSD, Help... (JosB)
Re: Problem with PCMCIA Ethernet card under new RedHat 7. (Jean-Yves Toumit)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela)
Subject: Re: Linux killed my computer
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:12:30 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:24:03 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>After using Disk Druid to partition my harddrive, the Linux setup asked
>me to reboot. Upon rebooting, the computer froze just after displaying
>that it had found the various drives and their sizes. The computer
>will not boot to an operating system to either the hard drive or the
>floppy drive. I tried tearing out all the NIC's and such to see if
>there was a conflict somehow but of course that didn't work. The bios
>sees the harddrive and I can access the setup utility, but the computer
>will not boot. I now have a big metal paperweight. Does anyone know
>how Linux killed my computer and how I can revive it?
Use a rescue disk, use Linux's fdisk or cfdisk and make sure
that the linux partition is BOOTABLE! this is especially important if
you did not install Lilo in the MBR. You can also boot with a rescue
disk as well. Take the Slackare boot disk at the lilo prompt type
boot root=/dev/hda1 ro
That should fire up your main Linux drive using the kernal on
the boot disk.
--
B'ichela
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela)
Subject: Re: Slackware 7.1 / Telnet
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:16:32 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:12:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know where the telnet server is started in Slackware 7.1
>and/or how to change the port it runs on? I looked through /etc/rc.d/*
>but i found no mention of telnet. any help would be greatly
>appreciated. thanks.
telnet which is called in.telnetd is fired up by inetd its
dynamically fired up when needed. You can Zap it by making changes to
/etc/inetd.conf. This is at least is how it is done in Slackware 3.9
and Slackware 4.0 Oh yeah /etc/rc.d/rc.inet2 fires up inetd
--
B'ichela
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From: Tyler Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Absurd mouse behavior
Date: 25 Oct 2000 04:58:10 GMT
You had it exactly right. Right after reading your message, I tried out
your advice. I had an instance of X running, incidentally, and ran
'gpm -k' in a text-mode console. The mouse *immediately* started working
in X. I never though of disabling gpm before because most of my time is spent
in text consoles and gpm comes in very handy. I just heard a few hours ago
from my boss at work that he had heard a few complaints about bugs in gpm in
the past. There must be some sort of conflict with my new motherboard I put
in the computer the last time I installed. Fascinaing.
fred smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I suppose it could be some bad interaction with 'gpm', which is the mouse
> interface for text-mode consoles.
> I've personally not had any such trouble with it, mouse works fine for me
> in both X and on consoles, but I recall seeing occasional notes here (or
> elsewhere) from people reporting they need to stop using 'gpm' to get
> the X mouse to work right.
> You might want to try turning off gpm (or you can kill it from a root
> login with 'gpm -k', which lasts for the current boot session) and see
> if it makes any difference.
> Fred
--
-Tyler
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From: Tyler Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partitioning Windows Intact
Date: 25 Oct 2000 05:29:33 GMT
Mark McKay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a fairly new workstation running Windows 98 and am wondering if
> there's a way to repartition it without loosing everything I have on
> it?
Yup, there sure is. Quoting from "Running Linux"
: There are several programs available for MS-DOS that resize
: partitions nondescructively. One of these is known as FIPS and can
: be found on many Linux FTP sites.
Bear in mind, however, that nothing is 100% fail-safe on every system.
Make sure you back up everything before repartitioning, no mater what
utility you use. In other words, don't repartition until you're preparted
to lose everything on your computer, as that *may* happen.
> I'm planning on installing RedHat on the new partition I create. Is
> there anything I should be careful of when partitioning to ensure
> everything is fine for RH? (I recall something about the main linux
> partition having to be located in a low numbered sector of the
> harddrive?)
That's just for LILO. There is (was/is depending on whom you ask) a limit
on where where on the disk you can boot from. Again quoting from the same
book:
: You may not be able to boot Linux from a partition using cylinders numbered
: over 1023. Therefore, you should try to create your Linux root partition
: within the sub-1024 cylinder range... If for some reason, you cannot or
: do not want to do this, you can simply boot Linux from a floppy.
I had a little run-in with this limitation one of the times I installed
Linux on my home system. I ended up having a boot floppy that I always
left in the disk drive. It wasn't a very big hassle. (what else do you
use a 1.44 floppy for?).
I'm currently running with a relatively small partition on / and the rest
of the drive mounted on /usr. I just had to change some things around
so that all the big stuff is written in a sub-directory of /usr instead
of some other branch off the root directory-- i.e. /usr/home/tyler instead
of /home/tyler as my home directory. That kind of thing. The configuration
is a personal choice; what I have works well enough for me right now. Maybe
next time I reinstall I'll do something different.
Don't be afraid to experiment with diffent configurations. That's half the
fun of it!
--
-Tyler
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From: "Lamar Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Saving desktop question
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:34:44 GMT
I am running RH 6.2, Enlightenment and GNOME. Every time I log onto the
system with my user account I have to setup my desktop the way I like it. I
open "File Manager" and move it over to the top right of my screen where I
like it. I then enlarge the "File Manager" window the way I like to see it.
I then save the session and logoff and check the box telling it to save my
settings. When I log back on nothing is saved. "File Manager" is a SMALL
window again back in the upper left side of my screen! Is there a way to
save my desktop after I get it setup the way I like it like in "MS Windows"?
Thanks for your help.
Regards
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:41:00 -0700
From: Victor Dods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Colour?
mpulliam wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:11:22 -0700,
> Micer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >How do I make colour appear always
> in the "ls" command?
> >Micer
>
> Hi Micer,
> you want to make an alias. As root,
> you can go like this:
>
> alias ls='ls --color'
>
> (using that format, you can make all
> different aliases according to your
> wishes)
>
> To see what all your aliases are,
> just issue the command alias as root.
>
> You can put an alias in /etc/bashrc
> if you edit the file by hand. Then it
> will be permanent instead of disappearing
> when you log out. If you use the alias
> command at the prompt, the alias ends
> when you quit your shell.
>
> HTH
>
> Mary P.
How do you define what file formats apply to which colors? I did this a
few years ago with Slackware, using DIR_COLORS in /etc, but I have Corel
Linux (Debian 2.1), and I can't find any DIR_COLORS file.
Victor Dods
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From: Thomas Thyberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SuSE6.4 and crashing netscape
Date: 25 Oct 2000 09:46:04 +0300
Thomas Thyberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Stewart Honsberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> communicator-v476-us.x86-unknown-linux2.2.tar.gz
>
> Haven't tried this one but will download it. I gave the version
Just downloaded and tried navigator-v476-us.x86-unknown-linux2.2.tar.gz
and it crashed bigtime also, but the stack trace was a little bit
different. This time I tried to access a "flash"-site when it went down.
(gdb) Wed Oct 25 08:52:04 AST 2000
GNU gdb 4.18
Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "i386-suse-linux"...(no debugging
symbols found)...
(gdb) Starting program: /usr/local/netscape/netscape
Netscape: Ignoring invalid mailcap entry:
x-mozilla-flags=plugin:RealVideo Player plugin
Cannot access memory at address 0x7f0000.
(gdb) #0 0x4000ab10 in _dl_debug_state () at dl-debug.c:47
#1 0x4000a801 in _dl_catch_error () at dl-error.c:117
#2 0x40291f6f in _dl_open () at dl-open.c:210
#3 0x4015e36e in dlopen_doit (a=0xbfffd7f8) at dlopen.c:41
#4 0x4000a801 in _dl_catch_error () at dl-error.c:117
#5 0x4015e9c1 in _dlerror_run (operate=0x4015e340 <dlopen_doit>,
args=0xbfffd7f8) at dlerror.c:125
#6 0x4015e3b3 in __dlopen_check (
file=0x89c6740 "/usr/local/netscape/plugins/libflashplayer.so", mode=1)
at dlopen.c:53
#7 0x84ecae9 in PR_LoadLibrary ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#8 0x817ef08 in FE_LoadPlugin ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#9 0x82b19f3 in NPL_SetPluginWindow ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#10 0x82b3081 in NPL_EmbedStart ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#11 0x817668b in XFE_GetEmbedSize ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#12 0x82674ed in lo_FormatEmbedObject ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#13 0x8266cbe in lo_FormatEmbed ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#14 0x825eaf9 in lo_LayoutTag ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#15 0x824a7ad in LO_ProcessTag ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#16 0x828dfe3 in PA_ParseBlock ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#17 0x8294475 in net_NoCharCodeConv ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#18 0x820c9d7 in NET_GetDiskCacheSize ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#19 0x8223df7 in net_getInternetKeyword ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#20 0x8224346 in NET_ProcessHTTP ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#21 0x821c8b6 in NET_ProcessNet ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#22 0x81882ff in fe_GetSecondaryURL ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#23 0x4003bef5 in XtAppProcessEvent () from /usr/X11/lib/libXt.so.6
#24 0x817975c in fe_EventLoop ()
from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#25 0x817ba29 in main () from /usr/local/netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so
#26 0x401dea5e in __libc_start_main () at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:93
(gdb)
And this is with the flashplayer plugin that comes with navigator.
It seems that it is the plugins that are having problems.
I will try to run it without any plugin to see what happens.
--
//TT
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From: Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partitioning Windows Intact
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:59:40 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tyler Larson wrote:
>
> Mark McKay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have a fairly new workstation running Windows 98 and am wondering if
> > there's a way to repartition it without loosing everything I have on
> > it?
>
> Yup, there sure is. Quoting from "Running Linux"
> : There are several programs available for MS-DOS that resize
> : partitions nondescructively. One of these is known as FIPS and can
> : be found on many Linux FTP sites.
>
> Bear in mind, however, that nothing is 100% fail-safe on every system.
> Make sure you back up everything before repartitioning, no mater what
> utility you use. In other words, don't repartition until you're preparted
> to lose everything on your computer, as that *may* happen.
>
> > I'm planning on installing RedHat on the new partition I create. Is
> > there anything I should be careful of when partitioning to ensure
> > everything is fine for RH? (I recall something about the main linux
> > partition having to be located in a low numbered sector of the
> > harddrive?)
>
> That's just for LILO. There is (was/is depending on whom you ask) a limit
> on where where on the disk you can boot from. Again quoting from the same
> book:
That is not just for LILO, it's a limit for all bootloaders! The problem
is that addresses in the bootcode aren't pointing to the correct place
if the address doesn't fit. (example: try putting a three digit number
in a 2 digit space!) You cannot move windows beyond this limit either,
it will not be able to boot. Nowadays, most bioses have a way around
this (int13 extensions) and then the problem is gone.
Just out of ease of setup, I still advise anyone that asks me to put at
least a small (16M) /boot below this boundary (cyl. 1024)
When your kernel image is not below this location, the address the
bootloader holds is incorrect, and thus the kernel cannot be found
(unless the int13 extensions are used)
> : You may not be able to boot Linux from a partition using cylinders numbered
> : over 1023. Therefore, you should try to create your Linux root partition
> : within the sub-1024 cylinder range... If for some reason, you cannot or
> : do not want to do this, you can simply boot Linux from a floppy.
>
> I had a little run-in with this limitation one of the times I installed
> Linux on my home system. I ended up having a boot floppy that I always
> left in the disk drive. It wasn't a very big hassle. (what else do you
> use a 1.44 floppy for?).
>
> I'm currently running with a relatively small partition on / and the rest
> of the drive mounted on /usr. I just had to change some things around
You had better just made /boot there and the rest as /, but as you said,
it's a personal choice.
Eric
> so that all the big stuff is written in a sub-directory of /usr instead
> of some other branch off the root directory-- i.e. /usr/home/tyler instead
> of /home/tyler as my home directory. That kind of thing. The configuration
> is a personal choice; what I have works well enough for me right now. Maybe
> next time I reinstall I'll do something different.
>
> Don't be afraid to experiment with diffent configurations. That's half the
> fun of it!
>
> --
> -Tyler
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From: "Nils Olav Sel�sdal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need some tools..
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:20:50 +0200
Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:27:34 +0200, Nils Olav Sel�sdal wrote:
> >Now, for me to start using linux at work i need some tools.
> >Do they exist? where can i get them?(Should be GUI programs of course...)
>
> Sounds like you need MS Windows.
>
> >1. A mailclient that kan work with Exchange Server..
It uses a microsoft protocol... not pop or imap (it can do ofcourse...)
> Whats SourceSafe, and why do you need to watch movies at work?
I dont need the videos at work, but i would like a player anyway...
SourceSafe is a control version system, much like CVS...
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From: pel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.msdos.apps
Subject: Re: Application required - Word Processor
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:01:00 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Barns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Hi guys,
>
>I dusted off my 386 20 mhz which had been minus a screen for 5 years.
>I just want to use it for word processing. Is there a freeware word
>processing package available. My machine has Linux 1.2.1 and MSDOS 6.22.
>(Did I hear someone laugh - I am from Africa!!)
>
>(I don't have a CDRom either)
>
>Thanks - Bernard
I think the easiest way is to work with MSDOS 6.22: More choice in word
processors. In those day's Word Perfect 5.1 was the best they ever made,
but also Word Perfect 6.0 (There was a DOS-version and a Windows version)
works fine imho on a 386.
There was also Enable 2.0 (1987), an integrated program with a word
processor, spread sheet (Looked like Lotus 1.2.3 version 1987), database
(looked like Dbase 3), Telecom (Terminal emulation; VT100 etc) and graphics
functions with Perspective build-in.
Worked with 8 windows max. even on a XT... (Normal speed!)
For Internet www/ you can maybe try DOS-based graphic browser Arachne
1.66. Works fine on a 486. According to them Arachne also works on a 386.
For only e-mail and news there is Waffle 1.65 with build-in
mailreaders/editors. (Works fine on my 486)
There is much, much more old stuff from those days.
Greetings,
secr. Ver. P.E.L.
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From: "Sjoerd Langkemper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "ls"
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:42:03 GMT
RTFM
Read the manual. Or do:
ls --help | grep dir
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From: "Sjoerd Langkemper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ftp tools for linux
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:42:57 GMT
Maybe wget?
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From: Jean-Yves Toumit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Problem with PCMCIA Ethernet card under new RedHat 7.
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:14:15 GMT
Hi all!
I've just installed a new RedHat 7 on my ThinkPad 600E and I'm
experiencing problems with my PCMCIA Ethernet card.
It was fully supported under RedHat 6.2 but has problems with RedHat 7.
Here's the problem : when I start pcmcia, the card is recognized but I
then get the message :
cardmgr:bind 'pcnet_cs' to socket 0 failed: Operation not permitted
Then of course, no network.
What's the problem, and more what's the solution?...
I'm trying another kernel compilation but I'm not sure that it will
help. I'll post if it succeeds.
Thanks for help!
JY.
--
Jean-Yves Toumit
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Labo. RFV - INSA de Lyon - http://www.insa-lyon.fr
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From: JosB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat, Slackware, SUSE, FreeBSD, Help...
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:21:22 GMT
In article <8t3afk$fht$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Some of the questions here have probably already been posted in these
> newsgroups, but I was hoping that maybe I could get some advice
relating
> to my own situation. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> A little background- I have a working knowledge of Unix(mail, pine,
> pico, vi, shell commands), and want to try out linux.
> Ultimately(but not right away), I want to setup a highend webserver
and
> ftp server on linux with apache, perl, eperl, mysql. Any knowledge I
> have of linux comes from browsing the web.
>
> 1. Which distribution would you recommend? wrt ease of upgradability,
> application installation uninstallation, security and stability given
my
> level of knowledge and goals.
>
> 2. I was considering Redhat, but not definite. If so, would you
> recommend ver7.0 or 6.2 as I hear there are some issues with 7.0. How
> about 6.2 right now and upgrade to 7.1 when it comes out? or is that
to
> complicated.
See my answer on the book Q.
> 3. Further, should I get a copy of the enterprise server version of a
> distribution(they are considerably more expensive), or is it possible
to
> just get the standard version and then download other components to
make
> it equivalent to an enterprise version(or is there just too much
> downloading involved this way?)
Enterprice editions include extra (commercial) programs and extra
support. If you need one of these, buy them, else: leave them.
> 4. If you setup linux first as a workstation, would it be easy to
later
> on set it up as web server, or should I start it as a web server from
> the beginning? I ask this because, I've read that there is a certain
> sequence of steps when setting up apache, mod_perl, eperl, and mysql
to
> work with one another correctly.
Upgrading a WS to a Server should not be a problem.
Specialy with RPM or an other packagemanager that checks depending
packages
> 5. How hard is it to upgrade a distribution? What's involved in it?
Is
> it easy enough to just download some components and upgrade it or is
it
> better to just buy the cd for the next version? If you upgrade for
> example the kernel, would you have to upgrade all the other
applications
> like the c compilers, webserver, xwindow, gui's, and what about the
> hardware configurations.
The only time I reinstall the whole system is when a new
kernel/important app needs new lib. files. I once messed up when
upgrading RH5.0 to 6, I tried upgrade, but many apps did not work :-(
> 6. What about FreeBSD and OpenBSD? Would you recommend them? are
they
> easier or more difficult than linux wrt configuration, upgradability
> etc. ?
I don't know OpenBSD, installing FreeBSD was easy.
Support for Linux can be found in many different newsgroups, FreeBSD
are only a handfull. Configuration of FreeBSD is almost as easy as
Linux, but I change config files by hand..... Don't know if tools are
available for easy admin of applications.
And, some files are placed in different locations as Linux.
When you are used to Linux, you'll be searching for files sometimes.
But since the dir. structure is clear, you'll find your way around
quick.
For info I'll surgest you check the Open- and FreeBSD sites:
www.openbsd.org and www.freebsg.org.
> 7. I'm looking for a good and thorough book on linux, with basic
> information such as setup and configuration to more advanced topics
such
> as server administration and security. If this is too much
information
> for one book to contain, what combination of books would you
recommend?
I bought 'USING LINUX, Special Edition' about a year ago.
It contains most of the basic and some advanced topics.
When you buy a book, buy one that includes a Linux distribution on a CD-
rom. And check if installation has one or more chapters in the book.
An other book I can recommend is 'USING UNIX'. This book's main topic
is not Linux but on Unix. But it is really helpfull on advanced topics.
Both books are not the cheapest (I paid about $50 for each), but it is
well spend.
The USING UNIX book comes in two kinds, a 'normal' edition and a
'Internet edition'.
The HOWTO's are also very helpfull.
Regards,
Jos Buurman
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From: Jean-Yves Toumit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problem with PCMCIA Ethernet card under new RedHat 7.
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:30:40 GMT
(auto-reply)
Actually, recompiling the kernel + installing pcmcia_cs in it fixes
this.
JY.
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