Linux-Misc Digest #153, Volume #26 Fri, 27 Oct 00 01:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Copying an 7GB-partition to an 8GB-partition ("Les Mikesell")
Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux. ("Jason")
Re: Dos based xclient.. (mpulliam)
Re: Mutt kills Linus. (Michel Catudal)
Faulty disks with cdrecord? (MH)
Re: running star/open office (Daniel J. Bodony)
Re: Dos based xclient.. ("Michael Westerman")
Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux. ("Michael Westerman")
Re: tlan and Linux 2.2.17 (marvin greenberg)
IRQ Sharing -- avoid if possible? (marvin greenberg)
Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux. ("Joseph C. Kopec")
Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux. ("Jason")
Re: RH7 and Crystal CS4237B (LinuxBoy)
Re: Linux killed my computer ("Michael Westerman")
Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux. (John Hasler)
Re: Microsoft Linux? (Andrew N. McGuire)
Re: Netscape sucks: alternatives? (Andrew N. McGuire)
Re: Reminder shell script (Andrew N. McGuire)
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Copying an 7GB-partition to an 8GB-partition
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 02:38:24 GMT
"Mark Post" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 26 Oct 2000 08:09:59 +0200, Peter Mutsaers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> -snip-
> >-a is a GNU, non-stdandard UNIX, extention. So, no wonder you didn't
> >know about it. It's one of the little irritating differences. When
> >Linux people get used to such things, and they move to another UNIX
> >once, they are confused not having such incompatable extentions.
>
> >Often they'd yell immediately that "LINUX is superior" and the others
> >are "LAME", just because they don't know the "real UNIX way" (which is
> >dump/restore, of course).
>
> Gee, thanks for posting that nice slap in the face on a linux newsgroup.
If
> the "real UNIX way" (whatever that is, since there is not just one UNIX)
is
> to ignore better tools that come from somewhere else, I guess I'll stick
> with my philosophy of taking the best of whatever I can get, from where
ever
> I can (legally) get it.
And 'rsync' is even better, especially if you ever do updates to existing
copies over a network, but it is good locally too.
Of course if those 'other' unix versions don't include a standard
compiler to build the tool set you want, the complaints would be
legitimate.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 02:59:00 GMT
I disagree with this one sorry. Win2k can be rock solid, mines been up and
running for 1 month. The only time it goes down is updates and
thunderstorms. I might also add the Linux box has been up for 2 weeks.
Course that's also how long I've had it running Linux.
But come on, you can't be seriously saying that learning Linux is as easy to
learn as windows?
Jason
"John Hasler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
| Arctic Storm writes:
| > Win2K is just as stable, but easy and user-friendly.
|
| A friend of mine (a quite experienced Windows user) just installed Win2K.
| If his experience is any guide, you'll never get it to work.
|
| Buy a machine with Linux pre-installed, like you did your Windows box.
| --
| John Hasler
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Dancing Horse Hill
| Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mpulliam)
Subject: Re: Dos based xclient..
Date: 27 Oct 2000 02:59:22 GMT
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:40:34 +1000,
Michael Westerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Does any one know where i should
look to find a dos based xclient.
http://www.freedos.com
they have lots of links too, sorry I
can't be more specific but maybe you
can find exactly what you need if you
rummage around.
MP
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mutt kills Linus.
Date: 26 Oct 2000 22:06:05 -0500
Lew Pitcher a �crit :
>
> From the subject line, I hope this _isn't_ a story about how a stray dog of
> unknown breed mauled Linus Torvalds to death ;-)
>
A dog called Linus
--
Tired of Microsoft's rebootive multitasking?
then it's time to upgrade to Linux.
http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
We have software, food, music, news, search,
history, electronics and genealogy pages.
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From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Faulty disks with cdrecord?
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:14:13 -0700
I have used cdrecord to burn CDs in the past and it seemed to work
well. Lately, however, I've been having a problem. I recently
downloaded the RH 7.0 iso images and tried to burn them to CDs. The CD
will boot OK and the installation program loads, but after selecting
"country" and "keyboard" the installation program asks me to load a disk
into the CDROM claiming it can't find it.
I've tried burning 3 differend CDs and I get the exact same result each
time. I can read the directories and everything on the CD just fine.
How likely is it that the iso image is f****d up? The command sequence
I'm using is:
cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,6,0 /source_directory/source_iso
The version of cdrecord I'm using is 1.8-2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel J. Bodony)
Subject: Re: running star/open office
Date: 26 Oct 2000 20:21:23 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel J Bodony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Daniel> However, your claim that there are no installation
> Daniel> instructions is not correct. Still, the overall
> Daniel> installation is not intuitive: there are source
> Daniel> distributions that have easier installations than this but
> Daniel> StarOffice did provide sufficient directions.
>
>Thanks for the tips; I will try them over the weekend when I get
>home. Note, I am installing OpenOffice6.05 which is a different
>distribution than the one you cited. My README did not contain the
>helpful information you pointed to.
I thought things were supposed to get better with age...guess Sun doesn't
think so.
Dan
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From: "Michael Westerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dos based xclient..
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:26:55 +1000
thanks Ill try it.
>
> http://www.freedos.com
>
> they have lots of links too, sorry I
> can't be more specific but maybe you
> can find exactly what you need if you
> rummage around.
>
> MP
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From: "Michael Westerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:29:47 +1000
depends on your background.
if comming from unix then ...
but apple os is easyer than all if computer illiterate (my opinion)
windows is easy if you upgrade from windows ...
Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Ub6K5.310$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I disagree with this one sorry. Win2k can be rock solid, mines been up
and
> running for 1 month. The only time it goes down is updates and
> thunderstorms. I might also add the Linux box has been up for 2 weeks.
> Course that's also how long I've had it running Linux.
>
> But come on, you can't be seriously saying that learning Linux is as easy
to
> learn as windows?
>
> Jason
> "John Hasler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> | Arctic Storm writes:
> | > Win2K is just as stable, but easy and user-friendly.
> |
> | A friend of mine (a quite experienced Windows user) just installed
Win2K.
> | If his experience is any guide, you'll never get it to work.
> |
> | Buy a machine with Linux pre-installed, like you did your Windows box.
> | --
> | John Hasler
> | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | Dancing Horse Hill
> | Elmwood, Wisconsin
>
>
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From: marvin greenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: tlan and Linux 2.2.17
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:58:19 -0400
Check out http://tlan.kernel.dk There is an updated version
1.3c that fixes irq sharing. I was having the same problem,
downloaded the new version, rebuilt modules, and the annoying
message went away.
Zeno Malin wrote:
> Since the update to kernel version 2.2.17 the tlan driver complains
> ("TLAN: Invalid interrupt on eth0.") about a wrong interrupt, whereas
> all was fine under kernel 2.2.16. In fact, all cards are running, at
> least I can ping my neighbors and ifconfig does not show any errors or
> gives a hint to data loss. The overall performance seems not to be
> affected. The tlan driven adapter runs under promiscuous mode.
>
> hardware: Compaq 6000, SCSI (Adaptec aic7xxx)
> my card settings:
> eth0: Compaq Netflex-3 Adapter tlan (version 1.3b) irq 11
>io=0x1000
> eth1: 3Com 905 Cyclone 3c59x (16Aug00 D. Becker) irq 11
>io=0x1080
> eth2: 3Com 905 Boomerang 3c59x (16Aug00 D. Becker) irq 11
>io=0x1040
>
> How can help ?
>
> Z. Malin
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From: marvin greenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: IRQ Sharing -- avoid if possible?
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:04:20 -0400
Is there any reason I should be unhappy if I have two
network cards and my video card all sharing IRQ 11
on a PCI bus. Although PCI lets this situation be OK,
I have a vague recollection that it is not particularly
desirable.
Of course if I should be unhappy, I'll probably be
especially unhappy because Compaq's (deskpro 4000)
bios doesn't seem to have an option to let it manage
the PCI bus and I can't convince setpci to reassign the
interrupts for the network card...
Marvin
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From: "Joseph C. Kopec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 03:56:31 GMT
I have had a good experience with Linksys under Linux -- I am running
two of the LNE100TX's, a PCMCIA card and a 10 Mb hub, all under Linux.
I am pretty sure I was able to pop two of the LNE100TX's into some old
P166 Compaq Deskpro 2200's, install RH 6.1 and get them to run readily.
I think I had to make sure the IRQ/memory range was set properly by
running them in a Windows machine (which was annoying) and maybe I had
to install the tulip.o module from the RH disks (I really don't recall
-- it has been a while). I realize that Linux hardware issues can be
frustrating (I probably have half a dozen "frustrations" currently under
consideration), but there is a wealth of help available in newsgroups
and on the Web generally, and things are getting better every month.
Personally, I am amazing at the degree of Linux hardware compatibility,
considering that the Linux developers get little to no help from most
manufacturers.
Arctic Storm wrote:
>
> LinkSys betrayed us!
> I bought a LinkSys LNE100TX ethernet card because it had the box label
> "Linux Tested".
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From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 04:14:37 GMT
True, but we have to remember that the vast majority of users were weaned on
Windows of one sort of another. While Windows has a "few" quirks to it,
for the most part its much more user friendly and less intimidating then
Linux/Unix can be.
But Linux is defiantly catching up to Windows in user friendliness. RH7 was
a piece of cake to install and just as easy to configure. I must be one of
the few to feel that way judging by some of the posts though.
Jason
"Michael Westerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:39f8f547$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
| depends on your background.
|
| if comming from unix then ...
|
| but apple os is easyer than all if computer illiterate (my opinion)
|
| windows is easy if you upgrade from windows ...
|
|
| Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
| news:Ub6K5.310$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
| > I disagree with this one sorry. Win2k can be rock solid, mines been up
| and
| > running for 1 month. The only time it goes down is updates and
| > thunderstorms. I might also add the Linux box has been up for 2 weeks.
| > Course that's also how long I've had it running Linux.
| >
| > But come on, you can't be seriously saying that learning Linux is as
easy
| to
| > learn as windows?
| >
| > Jason
| > "John Hasler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
| > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
| > | Arctic Storm writes:
| > | > Win2K is just as stable, but easy and user-friendly.
| > |
| > | A friend of mine (a quite experienced Windows user) just installed
| Win2K.
| > | If his experience is any guide, you'll never get it to work.
| > |
| > | Buy a machine with Linux pre-installed, like you did your Windows box.
| > | --
| > | John Hasler
| > | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > | Dancing Horse Hill
| > | Elmwood, Wisconsin
| >
| >
|
|
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:40:15 -0600
From: LinuxBoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: RH7 and Crystal CS4237B
Charlie,
I feel your pain. I have the same problem and I think it is a
combination of the sound drivers with Real Audios shity ported linux
version. I also get the same error sometimes with XMMS (MP3) player.
The reason it says this error is because the other apps that use the
sound sometimes hold onto the soundcard devices for too long. If you
have sound events (i.e. bells etc.) enabled in you window inferfaces
(i.e. GNOME, KDE) turn them off. Then load RealAudio player and waite a
couple of seconds, then click play. This seemed to work for me. I hope
they have better sound drivers/core sound in the future. Good luck.
CSLinuxBoy
Charlie Zender wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to get RealPlayer audio/video streaming on my
> RedHat Linux 7.0 intel system, a dual processor Dell PIII
> Precision 610 with an integrated Crystal CS4237B soundchip
> (soundblaster compatible).
>
> The error message from the Real Audio 7.01 Unix player is:
>
> "Cannot open audio device, another application may be using it"
>
> How can I determine what other application, if any, is indeed using
> the audio device? Is there a test program which will tell me
> whether the problem is a hardware or software problem?
> I have RealPlayer working fine on RedHat 7 on my laptop, so I know
> this is possible as long as the hardware is supported.
>
> Thanks,
> Charlie
> --
> Charlie Zender [EMAIL PROTECTED] (949) 824-2987/FAX-3256, Department of
> Earth System Science, University of California, Irvine CA 92697-3100
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From: "Michael Westerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux killed my computer
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:52:25 +1000
this seems to be Hware related...
try seting dmi pool data for deletion (reset ide drives detected settings)
disable quick boot.
remove ide drives and try in diffrent computer.
I had a drive die. the drive still returned its id info and size
but the platters were screwed (i open it up and could see were it wore
through the magnetic layer). could be just a coincidence.
floppy power cord (internal) may have fallen out.
floppy settings could be wrong in bios.
(since it trys the floppy first in boot sequence it halts)
cache , memory running to fast.
bad (poor power supply) don't think it isn't a problem
i have 6 drives and it works 90% of the time.
bad pc battery bad mboard.
bios reads hdisk boot sector and finds a pointer to you old os and its not
there so it's halts.
mboard touching case (shorting out.)
sorry if this dosn't help or is the wrong sort of info your after.
> or a unix prompt. It just freezes solid right after displaying the ide
> disk information normally, no error message or anything. If I remove
> the hard disk, is there a possibility that it then might boot to the
> floppy? Another piece of the puzzle is that it froze like this once
> before but i fixed it by removing the nic card. . . at which point,
> bios seemed to think that my hard disk was twice as big as it was
> before.
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> muzh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think most of the replies missed the fact that the computer froze
> > *before* any operating system could be booted.
> > The usual way to diagnose this is to try to reboot after removing
> > expansion cards, hard disks etc one by one, until the computer
> suddenly
> > boots again. The last object removed is then the one which caused the
> > fault -- ?IRQ conflict ?faulty card or object ?configured wrong etc.
> > I had this happen twice -- once was a hard disk too many, and another
> > time it was an IRQ conflict with a PCI sound card, solved by putting
> it
> > in a different slot.
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > After using Disk Druid to partition my harddrive, the Linux setup
> asked
> > > me to reboot. Upon rebooting, the computer froze just after
> displaying
> > > that it had found the various drives and their sizes. The computer
> > > will not boot to an operating system to either the hard drive or the
> > > floppy drive. I tried tearing out all the NIC's and such to see if
> > > there was a conflict somehow but of course that didn't work. The
> bios
> > > sees the harddrive and I can access the setup utility, but the
> computer
> > > will not boot. I now have a big metal paperweight. Does anyone
> know
> > > how Linux killed my computer and how I can revive it?
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Before you buy.
> >
> > --
> > Never trust a man in a suit
> >
> > cll
> >
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 03:38:53 GMT
I wrote:
> A friend of mine (a quite experienced Windows user) just installed Win2K.
> If his experience is any guide, you'll never get it to work.
Jason writes:
> I disagree with this one sorry. Win2k can be rock solid, mines been up
> and running for 1 month.
Come back in a couple of years and we will discuss uptimes again.
> The only time it goes down is updates...
They still haven't fixed that?
> But come on, you can't be seriously saying that learning Linux is as easy
> to learn as windows?
Read what I wrote again. Do you see anywhere that I wrote anything about
learning Windows? My friend (a Windows power user) had an experience
installing Win2K that matches most Linux installation horror stories.
But yes, I do maintain that learning Linux can be as easy as learning
Windows. The problem is that people like you want to compare learning
Linux with already knowing Windows. Find someone who knows Linux but has
never used Windows (my wife, for example) and see how they do.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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Subject: Re: Microsoft Linux?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew N. McGuire)
Date: 26 Oct 2000 21:32:36 -0500
>>>>> "LE" == Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
LE> Jim Jerzycke wrote:
>>
>> I don't understand what you mean by "A Healthy Linux" being there.
>> Could you please elaborate?
>> Thanks, Jim
LE> If Linux is a system used by a small community of hobbyists and
LE> experimenters and can't get any serious work done because it
LE> can't communicate with the rest of the computer world, it
LE> won't go anywhere.
I don't think we have to worry about that, Linux already has a
major contingent of corporations supporting it (eg. Oracle).
anm
--
perl -wMstrict -e '
$a=[[qw[J u s t]],[qw[A n o t h e r]],[qw[P e r l]],[qw[H a c k e r]]];$.++
;$@=$#$a;$$=[reverse sort map$#$_=>@$a]->[$|];for$](--$...$$){for$}($|..$@)
{$$[$]][$}]=$a->[$}][$]]}}$,=$";$\=$/;print map defined()?$_:$,,@$_ for @$;
'
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Subject: Re: Netscape sucks: alternatives?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew N. McGuire)
Date: 26 Oct 2000 21:44:20 -0500
>>>>> "HB" == Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
HB> On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:35:31 +0200, Tijmen Stam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I say Netscape:
>> I said cool, but now I say : Buggy
HB> I say Mozilla. Not quite there, but close, and damn nice. Even the
HB> nightly builds are usable.
A note here, someone else suggested lynx, I think links is slightly
better. Another alternative is to start learning emacs, and use w3
as a browser, vm (or rmail, or mh-e) as a mail client, and gnus as
a newsreader.
>> I ask: Alternatives (especialy mail in x)
HB> I say mutt.
HB> -extremely stable
HB> -extremely fast
HB> -extremely flexible/configurable
HB> By far the most powerful mail handling system in the known universe:
HB> fetchmail -> procmail -> mutt
Perhaps. I currently use fetchmail -> procmail -> vm. I gave mutt
a try, but frankly didn't like it.
[ aside: how does one specify an alternative smtp server in mutt? ]
anm
--
perl -wMstrict -e '
$a=[[qw[J u s t]],[qw[A n o t h e r]],[qw[P e r l]],[qw[H a c k e r]]];$.++
;$@=$#$a;$$=[reverse sort map$#$_=>@$a]->[$|];for$](--$...$$){for$}($|..$@)
{$$[$]][$}]=$a->[$}][$]]}}$,=$";$\=$/;print map defined()?$_:$,,@$_ for @$;
'
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Subject: Re: Reminder shell script
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew N. McGuire)
Date: 26 Oct 2000 21:45:40 -0500
>>>>> "FS" == Fil Sapienza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
FS> Greetings. I wish to either write or find a shell script that will allow
FS> me to postpone sending
FS> a message until a specified date and time. First, is it possible to do
FS> this with sendmail
FS> without a script? IF not, where and what kind of script might enable me
FS> to do this?
FS> Thank you.
at
anm
--
perl -wMstrict -e '
$a=[[qw[J u s t]],[qw[A n o t h e r]],[qw[P e r l]],[qw[H a c k e r]]];$.++
;$@=$#$a;$$=[reverse sort map$#$_=>@$a]->[$|];for$](--$...$$){for$}($|..$@)
{$$[$]][$}]=$a->[$}][$]]}}$,=$";$\=$/;print map defined()?$_:$,,@$_ for @$;
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