Linux-Misc Digest #197, Volume #26               Tue, 31 Oct 00 18:13:04 EST

Contents:
  Re: "No space left on device" (Paul Kimoto)
  Re: need windows prog to transfer files to linux (Jan Schaumann)
  Re: loading binfmt_aout not sufficient? (Paul Kimoto)
  Re: need windows prog to transfer files to linux (Vilmos Soti)
  Re: Slackware 7.1 / Telnet ("Mikiel Kingsley")
  process and/or thread ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  VFAT mounting issues (Michael Shick)
  Re: Microsoft vs Sony (Robert Heller)
  Bad block on drive using RAID-1 ("Sacha J. Bernstein")
  Re: I want to do weird SCSI sh*t... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: mp3 (John Nilsson)
  Re: X consumes constant 98% CPU usage (Jean-David Beyer)
  Re: X consumes constant 98% CPU usage (Jean-David Beyer)
  Kernel upgrade broke kernel compilation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: "No space left on device"
Date: 31 Oct 2000 16:22:40 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <8tnam7$176h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Adam Clark wrote:
> [05:21am] /tmp$ df -h
> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/hda5             289M  232M   42M  85% /
> /dev/hda6             3.2G  1.2G  1.9G  38% /home
> /dev/hda7             8.2G  2.1G  5.6G  27% /usr
>
> [05:35am] /tmp$ touch /tmp/anything
> touch: /tmp/anything: No space left on device
>
> This happened the other day, there were a bunch of other things messed up 
> so I rebooted and everything looked fine.  Then this morning I came in to
> find a 10-hour old logrotate process eating the CPU and everything under /
> is untouchable again.

Does touch(1) (or libc) issue a different message if you are out of inodes?
Anyway, you'd check with "df -hi".

> Mandrake 7.1 system.  It actually has many many issues, not really very
> impressed by Mandrake so far.

(If it's an inode issue, that's likely not the distributor's fault, but
rather yours or the e2fsprogs authors'.)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Schaumann)
Subject: Re: need windows prog to transfer files to linux
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:23:07 GMT

Jerry Todd wrote:
>I am using a dual boot system with a hard drive for windows and a seperate
>hard drive for linux.  I would like to get files off of my windows drive and
>onto my linux drive.  Does anyone know of a program that can transfer files
>from windows to linux?

Just mount your windows-partition and then you can copy them to wherever you
want.

-Jan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: loading binfmt_aout not sufficient?
Date: 31 Oct 2000 16:26:15 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <8tnang$c5t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  I am trying to run mapleV release 3, which is in
> a.out format, on a box
> with Redhat 6.1 distribution. I have done
>
> insmod binfmt_aout,
>
> but I still get the error:
>
> /usr/local/bin/maple: /usr/local/maple/bin/mapleV:
> cannot execute binary file.
> /usr/local/bin/maple: /usr/local/maple/bin/mapleV:
> Exec format error

Well, you probably need the dynamic linker (what was it called:
/lib/ld.so.1?) and the appropriate libc4 libraries, but I don't know
whether their absence causes these particular error messages.

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Subject: Re: need windows prog to transfer files to linux
From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:43:26 GMT

"Jerry Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am using a dual boot system with a hard drive for windows and a seperate
> hard drive for linux.  I would like to get files off of my windows drive and
> onto my linux drive.  Does anyone know of a program that can transfer files
> from windows to linux?

man mount

Vilmos

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From: "Mikiel Kingsley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware 7.1 / Telnet
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:48:35 -0700


<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8t51gc$u2n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Does anyone know where the telnet server is started in Slackware 7.1
> and/or how to change the port it runs on?  I looked through /etc/rc.d/*
> but i found no mention of telnet.  any help would be greatly
> appreciated. thanks.
>
>
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You should be able to change the port mapping by editing /etc/services.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: process and/or thread
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:37:43 GMT

just want to clarify this about thread and process

say a process, with PID is 775 (example)
then on linux is this true that say, this process has
5 threads and all these 5 threads would have the
same PID or different PID.
(because I am sure on NT for a multi-threaded process,
each thread of the same process would have the same
PID)

is this same in Linux (redhat) as well ?or in linux each thread
has its own PID ?

thanks
john


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From: Michael Shick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: VFAT mounting issues
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:41:57 GMT

I'm running redhat 7.0 with the 2.4 test 9 kernel, vfat support
installed and am having issues loading a FAT32 (logical) partition.
Every time I issue the mount vfat command I get the following error:

*mount: block device /dev/hda8 is write-protected, mounting read-only
*mount: block device /dev/hda8 is not permitted on its filesystem

I have no idea how to handle this, could the fact the other OS is Win2K
have anything to do with it?  This is not my boot partition or anything,

Incidentally I have the NTFS support installed also and attempted to
mount each of the two NTFS partitions I have on the computer.  I
sucessfully mounted the primary boot partiton, but recieved the same
error when I tried to mount the logical.

I also use bootmagic, it has some partition hiding features, could this
be related?  my two NTFS and FAT32 partitions show up in the linuxconf
filesystems pulldown so I don't think that's an issue.

Any help is appreciated, thanks



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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft vs Sony
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:04:27 -0000

  [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  In a message on Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:41:26 GMT, wrote :

p> Hmm... I just found that Sega DreamCast runs the Microsoft
p> operating system.  Can anyone verify that Sony's Playstation

'Sega DreamCast runs the Microsoft' -- this mainly means that the has
an x86 processor (i.e. '386, '486, Pentium, whatever).

p> runs linux?  (at least the developers kit).

Linux runs on all sorts of processors.  Don't know what is in the
Playstations, but the N64 uses the same chip as SGIs: the R4000.  Linux
runs on SGI hardware (R4000 and R10000 processors) and on the N64.

p> 
p> Now we know that consoles are driven by hardware and games,
p> not the operating system.  If it was, then we already know that
p> Playstation 1 beat Sega DreamCast.
p> 
p> So this sort of indicates that Microsoft may lose this battle.
p> They own the OS, but not the hardware, but hardware and pricing
p> and marketing is what is needed to push game consoles, not the
p> OS that it runs on.  Microsoft doesn't compete in the hardware
p> space, and we know Sony always wins in hardware (just visit your
p> nearest electronics store and see which sells the most).
p> 
p> And given that the PS2 marketing is pretty good so far (a lot
p> of media attention about people wanting, but cannot get one),
p> it looks PS2 beat XBox's marketing for now.  People seem to
p> be talking about picking up a PS2 for double price at ebay.com
p> or something rather than buy a XBox.  (can you imagine that?
p> paying double the price, rather than wait.  This seems to
p> be a reversal of the attitude a few months ago when people were
p> contemplating waiting another year for XBox, which isn't even
p> priced yet).
p> 
p> If this marketing movement continues until christmas, Sony
p> will have another lock on the game console market, and I predict
p> greater than 40% with all parties involved.  Some are buying
p> the PS2 as DVD players. (good DVD players cost the
p> same as a PS2, and some even more).
p> 
p> For some reason I feel Microsoft will stumble on this one like
p> they did with Sega.  They tried to extend into the market through
p> Sega, lost to Sony, so Microsoft is trying at it alone this time
p> with XBox.  But when I looked at the developers, it seems not many
p> are firmly commited except PC game developers.
p> 
p> XBox may become a cheap PC clone and die out from
p> competition of REAL PCs running faster Intel hardware with
p> upgradable video cards, memory, etc.  (It is basically a PC
p> machine running PC games and a fast video card).  Why buy
p> a lower end version of a PC (XBox) when you can buy the latest
p> ones running faster from any PC manufacturer?
p> 
p> Is Microsoft trying to use PC platform to extend into
p> the console gaming market?  If this is the strategy, it might
p> work.  But the problem is that we are moving more and more towards
p> simplicity and the computer is becoming like an appliance (a tv where
p> you just push a button).  For example, look at the palm computers,
p> they don't have the whole keyboard, just a few buttons and a pen.
p> Gaming wise, kids prefer to plug in something and play rather
p> than install, uninstall, and deal with the launching of the program
p> through an operating system.  XBox might be dead from competition
p> within (the REAL PC gaming market) before it can even compete with
p> the console market.  Maybe Nintendo realized this, and placed
p> their introduction of their GameCube a month after Microsoft's
p> launch... so people will wait and buy the Nintendo.  If Nintendo
p> does not believe it can beat Microsoft, it would not have done this,
p> they would have launched a year later or six months before so they
p> can get some sales and generate revenue.  To release it at
p> the same time means they have solid belief they are going to win.
p> It seems Nintendo is on Sony's side on this one.

Microsoft *would like* to move into the console gaming market and the
appliance market.  The problem for Microsoft (unless they seriously
alter their business model in ways that are pretty much opposite to the
current business model), is the Microsoft Windows is pretty much a
single processor type system and requires lots of Microsoft involvement
to port to other processor types (because you need Microsoft's complete
cooperation and involvement to port to another processor type).  Also
the processor type in question is really bad for embedded type systems
(which is what console gaming boxes and appliances are). Intel just
does not make a x86 processor that works well in such an environment --
the PII and PIII chips need a motherboard with lots of support logic to
be useful (which is fine for a general purpose computer system). For
the console game makers and appliance makers, it is very cost effective
to use some other microprocessor, one better suited to their
applications (embedded type systems), processors like StrongArm,
ColdFire, etc., for which Linux either already exists or can be
*cheaply* ported -- just download a source tree from the web, download
egcs, built a cross-compiler and there you are: total cost just some
in-house programmer time. Since 90% of the Linux kernel is specificly
written to be processor dependent, you only need to write a small piece
code for processor-dependent context switching, VM hardware, and
specific device drivers. *NO SERIOUS LICENSE DEAL NONSENSE WITH
MICRO$OFT, WHO WILL WANT EITHER BIG BUCKS AND NDA PAPERS OR A CHUNK OF
STOCK (== CONTROL, BREATHING DOWN YOUR NECK, ETC).*  Also included in
this mix is that some of these systems will have custom or stripped
down BIOS ROM and more importantly, will want a highly stripped down
O/S, with just the pieces needed for the application at hand. The
console game boxes and appliance will have fixed I/O devices, so one
does not need 30 different video drivers, etc.

p> 
p> 
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From: "Sacha J. Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Bad block on drive using RAID-1
Date: 31 Oct 2000 22:13:53 GMT


I have a RAID-1 setup going using kernel version 2.2.17, and it appears that
there is a bad block on one of the two drives.  I don't consider this a
whole-drive failure, and would like to continue using that drive.  Here are
the messages I'm receiving:

ckraid returns:

read error on device file /dev/hdg4, block #23461956 = 0x1660044

and the kernel reports:

Oct 31 03:14:34 bardeen kernel: hdg: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady
SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
Oct 31 03:14:34 bardeen kernel: hdg: read_intr: error=0x40 {
UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=57189447, sector=46923912
Oct 31 03:14:34 bardeen kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 22:04 (hdg),
sector 46923912


So, is there anything I can do to tell the kernel to not use this block (on
either drive) and to rebuild the RAID set skipping the bad section?  What
are my options other than replacing an entire drive that only has a small
section bad?

Thanks,

Sacha

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I want to do weird SCSI sh*t...
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:13:35 GMT

Thanks to everyone who replied, I was really sure I was going to be
flamed about this, or at best ignored, but I got three answers and
thats great!

Anyway I've buggered around a bit more with this set up and these are
the errors I get (I've compiled the AmigaFFS into the kernel {I think,
I clicked the Y box in any case and rebuilt from there}):

[root@localhost /root]# mount /dev/sda /mnt/amiga
fat_read_super: Bad fsinfo_offset
VFS: Can't find a valid MSDOS filesystem on dev 08:00.
VFS: Can't find a HFS filesystem on dev 08:00.
set_blocksize: b_count 3, dev sd(8,0), block 1, from c688b5ae
mount: you must specify the filesystem type

[root@localhost /root]# mount -t affs /dev/sda /mnt/amiga
set_blocksize: b_count 4, dev sd(8,0), block 1, from c014b9ed
set_blocksize: b_count 4, dev sd(8,0), block 1, from c014b9ed
set_blocksize: b_count 4, dev sd(8,0), block 1, from c014b9ed
AFFS: No valid root block on device 08:00
set_blocksize: b_count 4, dev sd(8,0), block 1, from c014c698
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,
       or too many mounted file systems

Anyone have any ideas about options I should set?

[root@localhost /root]# mount -t affs ./amiga50m /mnt/amiga
mount: ./amiga50m is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?)

OK I'll try -o loop, but I really don't know how to mount a file, any
help here?

[root@localhost /root]# mount -t affs -o loop ./amiga50m /mnt/amiga
AFFS: No valid root block on device 07:00
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
       or too many mounted file systems

I think I'm headed in the right direction, but just need a little more
help.

Thanks,
Anthony

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >   I don't know if anyone has any ideas about this, or know if it
can be
> > done so here goes:
> >
> >   I have an old Amiga SCSI drive with data I want to retrieve, I've
> > fired up linux and all is well except there is no PC partition info
on
> > the Amiga drive.  Has anyone ever managed to attach an Amiga SCSI
drive
> > to a PC and read the data off it?  If so can you let me know how?
(The
> > Amiga is dead :-(
>
> If you you compile a Linux kernel with Amiga filesystem support
> you should be able to mount the disk and read it. I don't know
> if Amiga filesystem write support is working yet but it sounds
> as if thats not what yout need.
>
> If you want to be really safe, you can raw copy the whole disk
> to a Linux drive (using dd) and then mount the file as as an
> Amiga drive.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Erik
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> When a user mailbombs me with 100,000 messages, we
> call it denial of service and the guy can be thrown
> in jail.  When 100,000 SPAMMERS send me one mail each,
> we call it marketing.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nilsson)
Subject: Re: mp3
Date: 31 Oct 2000 22:26:41 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows) writes:
> On 30 Oct 2000 18:53:36 GMT, John Nilsson wrote:
>>I have searched the web, and Deja, in vain for an answer to this
>>apparently not to difficult question. I hope that someone can give me a
>>nice newbiefriendly answer :) The problem is that when I play mp3-files
>>(with xmms or mpg123) the sound skips heavily when I open programs, or
>>sometimes even when I just move windows around. Some of these problems
>>disappear if I use the 'realtime priority' option in xmms, but then you
>>have to run it as root. That shouldn't be necessary, or?  My computer
>>is a Dell XPS-R350 with a PII 350MHz, 128Mb memory, TurtleBeach Montego
>>soundcard.  Never had this kind of problem in Windows.
> 
> Which version of xmms, and does it happen if you use another mp3 player
> like mpg123?  IIRC there were some xmms versions that hogged the CPU
> thanks to a bug or 3--you might try getting the latest RPM from
> http://xmms.org/ and "rpm -Uvh"ing it.
> 
> Another possibility is that your hard drive(s) aren't running as quickly
> as they should.  As root, execute the commands "hdparm -tT /dev/hda",
> then "hdparm -m16 -u1 -c1 /dev/hda", then "hdparm -tT /dev/hda".  The
> last run should show improvement of some sort.  That should help general
> system performance, not just mp3 playing.  Put that command in
> /etc/rc.d/rc.local (/sbin/init.d/boot.local if you're using SuSE) to
> make it execute automagically at every bootup, and "man hdparm" for info
> on what this command does.  HTH, good luck....
> 


Thanks Matt.

Upgrading xmms from version 1.2.1 to 1.2.3 made the problem almost 
disappear. The hdparm-thing seems to work too, according to the test-
results:
Before 'hdparm -m16 -u1 -c1 /dev/hda':
  Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  1.27 seconds =100.79 MB/sec
  Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in 17.24 seconds =  3.71 MB/sec
After:
  Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  1.27 seconds =100.79 MB/sec
  Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  8.65 seconds =  7.40 MB/sec

I can't say that I have noticed any gain in performance so far, but on 
the other hand I don't know if I'm supposed to. I don't have anything to 
relate these figures to. Maybe some kind soul could enlighten me?

And another (probably very stupid) question: Is there any drawback 
with this? I mean, if one command line (which the one who answered my 
question came up with almost without knowing anything at all about my 
system) makes my harddrive alot faster, why isn't this taken care of 
during install? 
(I'm running Redhat6.2+Gnome/Enlightenment)

/John


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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X consumes constant 98% CPU usage
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:39:00 -0500

Paul Lew wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"J.Smith" wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> > In the background, I have a
> >> > whole lot of stuff running.
> >> >
> >>
> >> For me its a little different. I have almost NOTHING running at all, no
> >> daemons at all, just twm as a window manager, and 1(one) xterm so I can run
> >> top in it. And even if I do nothing, and just sit here and watch the screen,
> >> X stays at  about 98% CPU usage.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I have a Matrox G200 AGP (or whatever than fancy slot is). X points to
> >> > /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA, whatever that proves.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I also have a Matrox, but mine is a Millenium MG400 AGP (DualHead). X is a
> >> symlink to /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA on my system as well.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I have no explanation other than my theory that there is a bug in X.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Well maybe it is and maybe it isnt. I compiled from source, and did not use
> >> a binary distribution. Im running XFree86 4.01 right now, should I go back
> >> to 4.0? Or go all the way back to 3.3.6? Or wait for 4.02 ?
> >>
> >> Does anyone else have any idea on how to troubelshoot this issue?
> >
> >If it is a bug, as I conjecture, then it is not a new bug. I am running the
> >XFree86-3.3.5-1.6.0 version, and it is there too.
> >
> >--
> Where/how are you people looking at "top"?  I can only see that the
> "cpu states" has an idle of 98% and don't see "X" process when in kde...
> Using 4.0.1 and an old matrox mystyqe 220.

I run GNOME/Enlightenment, but that does not seem to be it, as someone else posted
using a completely different desktop (fvwm?) and has the same problem. I look at
top and at xosview and both show the same thing. Right now, it happens to be
behaving itself, but if I were to kick off a compute intensive database populate,
the problem would return.

  5:37pm  up 7 days,  5:57,  2 users,  load average: 2.10, 2.11, 2.09
74 processes: 71 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states:  3.6% user, 12.5% system, 83.8% nice,  0.0% idle
Mem:  516924K av, 508684K used,   8240K free,  71940K shrd, 212108K buff
Swap: 273088K av,  11136K used, 261952K free                173300K cached

  PID USER     PRI  NI PAGEIN  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM  CTIME COMMAND
16984 seti      19  19    771 14988  14M   788 R N  42.0  2.8 227:42 setiathome
19178 seti2     20  19    531 15672  15M   788 R N  39.3  3.0 105:33 setiathome
17569 root       0   0    914 25260  24M  2024 S     5.9  4.8  23:20 X
17764 jdbeyer    0   0    292  1208 1208  1000 S     5.2  0.2   0:51 xosview


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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X consumes constant 98% CPU usage
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:41:49 -0500

gwen wrote:

> "J.Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sed :
>
> >> I have a Matrox G200 AGP (or whatever than fancy slot is). X points to
> >> /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA, whatever that proves.
> >>
> >
> > I also have a Matrox, but mine is a Millenium MG400 AGP (DualHead). X is
> > a symlink to /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA on my system as well.
>
> This symlink looks strange to me. With XFree4 you don't have different
> servers but different drivers.
> Make sure your Xfree4 is installed well. Look in your
> /var/log/XFree86.0.log for example.

No such file.

> On my system X is a link to /usr/bin/X11/XFree86
>
> --
> Gwen

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Kernel upgrade broke kernel compilation
Date: 31 Oct 2000 23:03:20 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Originally I had RedHat 6.2, which is of kernel 2.2.14.-5.0. I was
adviced to upgrade kernel 2.2.16 to avoid some security holes. I
download rpms for kernel 2.2.16-3 along with source and include
packages from a mirror site. The installation went well except the rpm
for source( include? I do not remember exactly source or inlucde
package caused this problme) complained that it could not rmove
directory /usr/src/linux-2.2.14. 

I downloaded FreeSwan 1.6, a VPN package and tried to complied it into
kernel. Strange thing is that I have to modified several makefiles in
freeswan source directory and even makefile in /usr/src/linux (linked
to /usr/src/linux-2.2.16-3) to add -I/usr/src/linux/include, since it
complained not find some header files, such as 

#include <linux/limits.h>

I ever compiled freeswan 1.3 on 2.2.14-5.0 src and nothing like this
happened. 

This tells me something is fishy. What could be the problem? Where did
the compiler get the default include path for /usr/src/linux/include
in normal situation?  The comiler is egcs 2.91.66. 

Thanks 

Bing



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