Linux-Misc Digest #298, Volume #26 Mon, 13 Nov 00 00:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Which linux to get? (Dances With Crows)
Re: soundcard recommendation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Donovan Rebbechi)
the relation between Linux and GCC (Te-Cheng Shen)
Re: fsck finds unattached inode after power outage (Floyd Davidson)
Re: Which linux to get? (Rod Smith)
Re: Netgear cards (jeff)
Re: Terminal blanking... (bdl)
Re: the relation between Linux and GCC (Rod Smith)
xmms playing CDs? (John Scudder)
Re: rpm dependency problems (Matthew Haley)
Re: REQ: DreamWeaver like program for Linux (Dr Aldo Medina)
How to use TWM ? Where's the FAQ on TWM ? (Arctic Storm)
Copy and file-viewing problem (Vengly Tong)
Re: Netgear cards (Neil Cherry)
Re: the relation between Linux and GCC (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: [finger] wont show .plan nor .project remotely -- why? (John Bacalle)
Re: How to use TWM ? Where's the FAQ on TWM ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Which linux to get?
Date: 13 Nov 2000 02:21:26 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:58:39 -0700, MarkW wrote:
>I am relatively new to Linux and am trying to decide which version to
>get. I see SASE Linux 7.0 (I think it's SASE or something like that),
ITYM "SuSE".
>RedHat 7.0, Caldera, Mandrake Linux, Corel Linux Second Edition (It
>doesn't say 7.0 or anything like that so I'm confused where it is with
>it's version) and I believe there are some other versions. My
>question, which should I go with?
The stock answer is "Buy the same thing that your local Linux guru
uses." This is good because he/she will be able to help you more
quickly that way. Different distros put some things in different
places, which can cause confusion. A SuSE user will not get much
accomplished with "linuxconf", while a RedHat user will not get much
done with "yast", though both commands do very similar things.
>Maybe the answer is different for everyone but basically what I'm doing
>is sitting it up on a 2nd computer just as a workstation, not server,
>although I do want to network it with my other computer but I'm using
>it basically as a 2nd operating system just to experiment with and
>learn about.
Just my humble opinion, but I'd stay away from RedHat 7.0 and Corel.
Corel is basically a broken Debian, and RedHat's x.0 releases are
generally buggy. SuSE is a reasonable choice, though I haven't had the
chance to vet 7.0. If it's like 6.4, it will be a good choice. I've
heard of some problems with Mandrake 7.2, so you might want to stick
with 7.1 for right now. Mandrake has a lot of good things going for it,
and is very easy to install. I have never used Caldera--got a Caldera
CD once, but gave it away to someone who wanted it.
>I do want something that is highly compatible and easy to use and
>install. I wasn't sure if all linux OS's are compatible with each.
There are many more similarities than differences between different
distros of Linux. Linux software is generally made available in three
different formats: RedHat packages (.rpm), Debian packages (.deb), and
tarballs (.tgz). There's a tool called "alien" that can convert
packages from one format to another. FWIW, I've never had any problems
installing packages "designed for RedHat" onto a SuSE system, and you
can almost always get source tarballs, which can be compiled and
installed no matter which distro you're using.
HTH, and good luck with your new OS....
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: soundcard recommendation
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 02:21:36 GMT
Bob van der Poel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd like to get a recommendation for a soundcard for my system (a
> homebrew Celeron 330). I will be using the soundcard for 2 serious
> applications:
> 1. Playing midi files though an external synth,
> 2. I need to record a stack of records and tapes to convert to CDs.
> Currently I have a Gravis Max installed. I know a bunch of folk will
> write to tell me how wonderful this card is...and it would be for me as
> well if I could get any program other than 'rec' (which uses sox?) to
> record...and at that the records are not very good quality.
> Thanks!
I've had luck with both a SoundBlaster Live (emu10k1) and an Ensonique PCI
(es1371) under linux. Although I've never just recorded audio from the mic,
I have recorded audio tracks for video on the Line In and CD channels.
Adam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: 13 Nov 2000 02:24:46 GMT
On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:07:41 -0500, James Hutchins wrote:
>Remember how Motif became the darling and crowded out all of its
>competitors within very few years? Is that what will happen with GTK+ and
>Qt?
No.
>I was about to switch from Motif to Qt, but have gotten advice from
>several sources suggesting Qt failed to get adopted as the darling of the
>unix community and GTK+ has succeeded, so Qt will not be around, or will
>be a hanger-on.
Your advice is bad. KDE has way too much momentum to just go away, and
it survived just fine without the blessing of several notable people in
the free software community for some time.
I don't see any sign that Qt will not "win".
Among the C++ developers, Qt is winning by an enormous margin. The GTK
bindings for C++ (GTK--) are somewhat behind the C bindings. Here's some
examples:
(*) The CORBA system, ORBit is C based. (C++ bindings for ORBit are in
their infancy and require an unstable version of glib -- and who knows
if they're supported by GNOME) Implementing a CORBA interface
in C is enough to make one want to pull their hair out (especially
if you're using C++ but have to implement the CORBA stuff in C)
(*) The GNOME bindings for C++ are quite new AFAIK. Same for the Glade
bindings.
(*) Since C++ is *the* main language of Qt/KDE, it is as a C++ API
better documented, better supported, and a better organised effort.
So at least among C++ developers, Qt is a clear winner at this stage. I'd
suggest going with Qt if you want to use C++ or python, and Gtk if you
want to use anything else.
--
Donovan
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From: Te-Cheng Shen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: the relation between Linux and GCC
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:35:06 -0700
Hello
This question has confused me for a while and I think that it is
time to speak it out and ask for some help.
The question is that Linux kernel is compiled with gcc but gcc is
built on top of Linux kernel. How can this happen? Image that I have a
gcc and it needs being installed on top of Linux kernel. This sentence
makes sense to me. However, if the previous sentence makes sense, how
can we compile Linux kernel using gcc? I really do not understand.
Take the first version of Linux, for example, what compiler used to
compile it? Gcc? or some other compilers? Can anyone show me a way to
figure this out?
Thanks
STC
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fsck finds unattached inode after power outage
Date: 12 Nov 2000 17:17:23 -0900
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Estes) wrote:
>I'm a newbie and need some help to recover from this and get back into
>GUI of Mandrake 7.1.
That is normal. If your system ran fsck, and in the process
told you that it modified the file system and everything
rebooted OK then you probably do not have any problems. You can
verify that by doing a normal shutdown and rebooting, which
should come up with no fsck error messages.
One reason a power outage usually causes unattached inodes is
because login shells will have a history file open at all times,
and without a proper shutdown it is likely to be munged. Of
course it is also of no importance either...
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Which linux to get?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 02:59:12 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
MarkW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am relatively new to Linux and am trying to decide which version to
> get. I see SASE Linux 7.0 (I think it's SASE or something like that),
SuSE, actually.
> RedHat 7.0, Caldera, Mandrake Linux, Corel Linux Second Edition (It
> doesn't say 7.0 or anything like that so I'm confused where it is with
> it's version)
Corel Second Edition = Corel 1.2
I didn't make the rules.
> and I believe there are some other versions. My
> question, which should I go with? Maybe the answer is different for
> everyone
Yup. I've got comments on several distributions at
http://www.rodsbooks.com/distribs/. I've not yet updated that page for
Mandrake 7.2. There seem to be a few more problems with that version
than with 7.1, although my 7.2 installation is working nicely so far.
> but basically what I'm doing is sitting it up on a 2nd
> computer just as a workstation, not server, although I do want to
> network it with my other computer but I'm using it basically as a 2nd
> operating system just to experiment with and learn about. I do want
> something that is highly compatible and easy to use and install. I
> wasn't sure if all linux OS's are compatible with each. Thanks for
> any help.
All Linux distributions are compatible with each other up to a point
and incompatible after that point. The point varies with each pair
you're comparing, though. The biggest divide is probably by package
manager. Most distributions use the Red Hat Package Manager (RPM)
format for program distribution, but the Debian package format is
becoming increasingly popular, and there are others. This divide is not
unbridgeable; you can find most programs natively in either format, or
bypass it entirely by compiling directly from source code, or convert
from one format to another using a program called alien. There are also
issues of startup script style, libraries, and so on. The bottom line
for compatibility, though, is that if you use a major distribution for
x86 computers (like any of the ones you mentioned), you'll be able to
get just about any Linux program to run on it, although sometimes at
the cost of some effort.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jeff)
Subject: Re: Netgear cards
Date: 13 Nov 2000 03:04:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My FA310TX's use the Tulip driver.
-jeff
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:40:13 GMT,
Neil Cherry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What chipset/drivers should I use with the netgear 10/100 nic cards?
>
> --
> Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only)
> http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics)
> http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)
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From: bdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Terminal blanking...
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,alt.linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 03:08:43 GMT
Sir Joltalot wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I use slackware 7, and I'm pretty happy with it. I've used it to set
> up a firewall on one machine, and I use it for my workstation as well.
>
> There's one thing that sorta ticks me off though - the terminal going
> blank after 15 minutes. What I'd really like is for the monitor to go
> into power-saving mode after 40 minutes, but if that's not possible I
> want to disable the terminal blanking altogether. How would I go about
> doing either of these things?
>
> Thanks a lot,
> -Peter Colijn
Just so you are aware, slack puts the setterm command
within the /etc/rc.d/rc.M startup script; you just need
to edit the line to your liking.
bdl
--
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Linux 2.2.17 #115 SMP Tue Sep 5 21:18:35 PDT 2000 i686
4:55pm up 3:13, 1 user, load average: 0.19, 0.20, 0.13
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: the relation between Linux and GCC
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 03:08:30 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Te-Cheng Shen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello
> This question has confused me for a while and I think that it is
> time to speak it out and ask for some help.
>
> The question is that Linux kernel is compiled with gcc but gcc is
> built on top of Linux kernel. How can this happen? Image that I have a
> gcc and it needs being installed on top of Linux kernel. This sentence
> makes sense to me. However, if the previous sentence makes sense, how
> can we compile Linux kernel using gcc? I really do not understand.
>
> Take the first version of Linux, for example, what compiler used to
> compile it? Gcc? or some other compilers? Can anyone show me a way to
> figure this out?
If I recall correctly, the first versions of the Linux kernel were
compiled using GCC running on Minix. (It's conceivable that Linux was
first built using some other compiler, though.) Once Linux was running
well enough, GCC was recompiled (again, using Minix's version of GCC)
to run natively under Linux.
Remember, GCC is not a Linux-only program; GCC existed LONG before
Linux existed, and it runs (and ran) on many other platforms --
Windows, DOS, OS/2, BeOS, most or all commercial Unixes, etc. Many of
these were not compiled using GCC, although they were compiled using
other compilers.
Ultimately, though, this chicken-and-egg cycle leads to the same
conundrum: How can you build an OS without a compiler, and how can you
build a compiler without an OS? The answer leads back to OSs that were
simple enough they didn't need compilers; they were hand-coded in raw
binary. That's how the first computers were programmed. Once those
systems became sophisticated enough, assemblers and then compilers were
developed to make programming easier. Those were used to help build
more sophisticated OSs, and the cycle continued. Linux is just a fairly
recent chapter in this spiral of increasing sophistication.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: John Scudder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: xmms playing CDs?
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:23:29 -0500
Can xmms be configured to play CDs?
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Haley)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: rpm dependency problems
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 03:46:56 -0000
On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 09:37:30 -0600,
Lori Holder-Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You can install a kernel with rpm? (legit question, not an argument)
Yes.
>
>I've always had to download the source, etc. How does this work with an
>rpm? Does it come with support for everything compiled in or does one
>select from a range of kernel rpms?
I would recommend compiling it yourself anyways. I tried to upgrade the kernel
with RPM in Mandrake once and it trashed my HD. I did, however, have success
updating the kernel in RH 7.0 with rpm.
--
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
+ 8:44pm up 2 days, 4:55, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 +
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: Dr Aldo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: REQ: DreamWeaver like program for Linux
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:50:41 -0600
David Dorward wrote:
>
> "Stephen J. Thompson" wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know of the above?
>
> You might be able to get Dreamweaver itself to run using WINE, I've had
> some success with Flash.
>
> Or you could use <http://www.webmiffinlite.com>
>
> --
> David Dorward
> http://www.dorward.co.uk/
The host doesn't exist
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From: Arctic Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to use TWM ? Where's the FAQ on TWM ?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 04:28:52 GMT
I'm currently using RedHat Linux 7.0, which installs GNOME/Sawfish
window manager.
I would like to learn to use TWM window manager, because I use VNC once
in a while.
In TWN, how do you close windows? There's no "minimize" button on the
window title bar.
When I click the pointer in the background, I get a menu of options. Is
there a FAQ that explains these menu options? What's the difference
between the options "kill" & "delete"?
Neither the Linux Documentation Project nor RedHat has any information
on using TWM.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
----
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vengly Tong)
Subject: Copy and file-viewing problem
Date: 12 Nov 2000 22:30:13 -0600
Hi all,
I recently installed RedHat on my \hdb1 (kernel 2.0.36). My \hda1 and
\hdd1 are Windows-based drives. I have checked the mtab and ensured that
hda1 and hdd1 are VFAT types. These are the problems I have (logged in as
root):
Problem #1: When I list the directories in hda1 or hdd1, not all files
show up, although I *know* they are in the directories (I see them when
I'm in Windows). Why is this?
Problem #2: For some of those that I do see, I can't seem to copy them
into hdb1 properly. For e.g., I have a file, myfile.tgz (chmod=755)
sitting in hda1. When I try to copy it, I get an "Input/Output error"
message. The filename is created in hdb1, but 0 bytes. Is this in some
way related to Problem #1?
I used to have the 2.0.27 kernel (via slakware) and did not have problems
like this. Any ideas?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cherry)
Subject: Re: Netgear cards
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 04:40:47 GMT
On 13 Nov 2000 03:04:44 GMT, jeff wrote:
>
>My FA310TX's use the Tulip driver.
>
>-jeff
Thanks Jeff, have you left it in plug-n-play mode or can I set it to
keep the settings?
I need it to do bootp/dhcp.
>On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:40:13 GMT,
> Neil Cherry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> What chipset/drivers should I use with the netgear 10/100 nic cards?
--
Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only)
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics)
http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Subject: Re: the relation between Linux and GCC
Date: 12 Nov 2000 21:04:01 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Te-Cheng Shen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello
> This question has confused me for a while and I think that it is
>time to speak it out and ask for some help.
>
> The question is that Linux kernel is compiled with gcc but gcc is
>built on top of Linux kernel. How can this happen? Image that I have a
>gcc and it needs being installed on top of Linux kernel. This sentence
>makes sense to me. However, if the previous sentence makes sense, how
>can we compile Linux kernel using gcc? I really do not understand.
>
> Take the first version of Linux, for example, what compiler used to
>compile it? Gcc? or some other compilers? Can anyone show me a way to
>figure this out?
gcc runs in many environments. the first version of the linux kernel
was probably compiled with gcc, but running on some other system
hs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Bacalle)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: [finger] wont show .plan nor .project remotely -- why?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 04:58:36 GMT
[Added linux.redhat.misc to perhaps get some more specific insight. \
running RHL6.1]
* David Efflandt wrote:
-snip Make/try $HOME mode 755 to show .plan/.project finger remotely-
> It is possible that finger runs as or changes to an effective uid of
> something other than root for security reasons.
OK. How do I check that. I see the following on my system:
/usr/bin/finger
/usr/sbin/in.fingerd
/usr/sbin/safe_finger
> Have you checked the
> finger results when run by user other than yourself?
I ask you to finger me yourself. NOTE: this host goes down from time to
time, if so please try again later. This is a simple system, no NFS,
etc. to take into account.
Someone else confirmed from his remote system the same results as I
describe. Further, I also get the same results from a shell account
elsewhere on the Net:
[0:udd/j/jaco> finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[amphiprion.dyn.dhs.org]
Login: john Name: John Bacalle
Directory: /home/john Shell: /bin/bash
Office: 2B, +1-718-555-1212 Home Phone: +1-718-555-1212
On since Sun Nov 12 22:22 (EST) on pts/0 from :0
1 second idle
(messages off)
On since Sun Nov 12 22:22 (EST) on pts/1 53 minutes 40 seconds idle
On since Sun Nov 12 23:07 (EST) on pts/2 11 seconds idle
On since Sun Nov 12 23:11 (EST) on pts/3 1 second idle
On since Sun Nov 12 23:12 (EST) on pts/4 17 minutes 44 seconds idle
On since Sun Nov 12 23:18 (EST) on pts/5 16 minutes 5 seconds idle
New mail received Sun Nov 12 23:15 2000 (EST)
Unread since Sun Nov 12 22:41 2000 (EST)
No Plan.
^^^^^^^
Again, but there is a .plan and even a .project.
> The effective user
Whom do you mean? User, or other?
> needs the 'x' bit set on a dir in order to access anything in it.
Recapitulating modes:
$ ls -l .plan
-rw-rw-r-x 1 john john 19 Nov 7 07:45 .plan
$ ls -ld $HOME
drwx------ 43 john john 8192 Nov 12 23:15 /home/john
.plan was mode 664 originally, I had already tried 665 without success.
Directory permissions has been mentioned, here's its listing.
> For
> example in order for an apache user's public_html to work, their home dir
> needs at least 711 permission.
Well just made .plan 765:
-rwxrw-r-x 1 john john 19 Nov 7 07:45 .plan
No difference, still can't see .plan via remote finger; as before I CAN
see it via local finger.
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: How to use TWM ? Where's the FAQ on TWM ?
Date: 13 Nov 2000 05:02:46 GMT
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 04:28:52 GMT, Arctic
Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm currently using RedHat Linux 7.0,
which installs GNOME/Sawfish
>window manager.
>I would like to learn to use TWM window manager
>Neither the Linux Documentation Project
nor RedHat has any information
>on using TWM.
Sure they do! go
man twm
More than you ever wanted to know.
MP
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