Linux-Misc Digest #566, Volume #26               Sun, 17 Dec 00 12:13:04 EST

Contents:
  Re: xmps plugins ("gwen")
  Re: Trident CyberBlade i7 on HP Omnibook Xe2 doesn't work under X!! Help me!! ("Ben 
Blackburne")
  Won't Recognize All Memory ("Buck Turgidson")
  Re: Shell Calculator (Chris J/#6)
  Re: Which ethernet driver is running? (Robert Heller)
  32-Bit PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Apache forward to MASQ machines ??? (Michael Mueller)
  Re: Apache forward to MASQ machines ??? ("Flej Ling")
  Can any1 tell me why I can't print postscript ? ("Emmanuel Beranger")
  Dynamic DNS registration partially working ("Flej Ling")
  Re: Dynamic DNS registration partially working ("Flej Ling")
  Re: Won't Recognize All Memory (Bob Hauck)
  Re: Won't Recognize All Memory ("Buck Turgidson")
  Re: blindly accepted net advice--> blew away filesystem ("Dan Jacobson")
  Re: LILO floppy question ("Dan Jacobson")
  How is a GNU/Linux modem user supposed to do his offline www browsing? ("Dan 
Jacobson")
  ppp "Peer is not authorized to use remote address . . ." RH7.0 (Bob Hartung)
  Need with with cdrecord error ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: LCD projector + linux = torture (Dave Brown)
  Re: How is a GNU/Linux modem user supposed to do his offline www browsing? (Todd 
Knarr)

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From: "gwen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: xmps plugins
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:36:18 +0100

"Bart Friederichs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sed :

> Hi,
> 
> I am looking for a good DivX player for Linux. I played a bit with xmms,
> but that's terribly slow and no sound can be heard (seems like the mp3
> coded soundstream isn't decoded). So I tried xmps. Look nice, but there
> is no AVI plugin in the tar.gz file. I know it exists, because I found
> some info about it, but not the source/binary itself.
> 
> Could anybody send it to me plz? (or tell me where to get it) TIA


You can find it at divx.euro.ru .
You can find aviplay there too which is a better player than xmps.


-- 
Gwen

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From: "Ben Blackburne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trident CyberBlade i7 on HP Omnibook Xe2 doesn't work under X!! Help me!!
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.x
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:04:59 +0000

In article <g%HW5.27061$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Morpheus"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've an HP Omnibook Xe2 with a Trident CyberBlade i7 video card, it
> should be supported by newer versions of XFree such as XFree86 3.6 or
> XFree86 4.0 but I can't make it work! I've installed Linux Red Hat 6.0
> with XFree 3.3 first and XFree 3.6 after but the graphic can't start.

I have the same card. I managed to get it to work to some extent under
3.3.6, but I really recommend 4.01 as that seems to work almost perfectly
(you need to disable hardware acceleration for the mouse pointer and
there are some other acceleration issues but it is stable).

So my advice is upgrade to a distro with X4.01 ( I am using Mandrake and
it is great) or download X4.01.

If you wish I can send you my XF4.01 XF86Config file by email.


Ben

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From: "Buck Turgidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Won't Recognize All Memory
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:24:27 GMT

I know this is a FAQ, and I thought I did everything right.  I've got 80M, which all 
gets counted by the BIOS, and my lilo.conf
looks like below.  Any idea why "free" only shows 64?  Obviously, I've rebooted (many 
times).



/etc] $cat lilo.conf
boot=/dev/hda
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
prompt
timeout=50
default=linux
append="mem=80M"

image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.12-20
        label=linux
        initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.12-20.img
        read-only
        root=/dev/hda5





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris J/#6)
Subject: Re: Shell Calculator
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 17 Dec 2000 14:26:30 -0000

Gregor Horvath  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Is there a calculator for Linux (Suse 6.3) for the shell available ? (no
>X)
>
>Example:
>
>root@I$ calc 10*2
>= 20
>root@I$ _
>

Take your pick of these three fun programs...expr, bc, and dc:
        expr 10 '*' 2                   Simple arithmatic
        echo '10 * 2' | bc              Pretty reasonable general purpose
        echo '10 2 * p' | dc            Uses Reverse Polish notation

Note how the quotes are used - this stops the shell expanding the asterisk
wildcard.

Chris...

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]        \  for then do it for the world." -- Stevie Nicks
www.nccnet.co.uk/~sixie/   ~---------------------------------------+
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which ethernet driver is running?
Date: 17 Dec 2000 08:27:49 true

  Chip Seraphine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  In a message on Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:55:12 -0600, wrote :

CS> Question:  How can I tell which ethernet driver is currently being used
CS> for a particular NIC?  
CS> 
CS> My company regularly upgrades desktop PCs, and I often grab some
CS> discarded ones (current round of discards are PPro 200s and some early
CS> PIIs), install Linux, and use them as servers-- intranet, mail, DNS,
CS> NTP, NIS, what have you.  Anyway, I'd like to compile some fairly
CS> small, clean kernels for these machines but one of the problems I run
CS> into is that I never know what chipsets are on the cards.  We use
CS> RedHat, and the default RedHat kernel usually works fine.  However,
CS> whenever I go to compile my own kernel I never know which drivers I can
CS> safely compile out...
CS> 
CS> What I would like to be able to do is to do a default install, get the
CS> box up and running, and then somehow determine that (for instance) the
CS> DEC Tulip driver is the one being used to run the NIC at eth0.
CS> 
CS> Any ideas?

Look in /var/log/messages or /proc/interrupts or /proc/modules.

*Generally* most (all?) of the ethernet drivers will be modules.  Just
leave the kernel config settings for the ethernet drivers alone --
changing from 'M'[od] to 'n'[o] won't change the size of the kernel
itself. Unless you have some reason not have a full stable of kernel
modules living in /lib/modules/... (only reason would be because you
want to build a diskless linux router and want a moduleless kernel that
will fit on a floppy).

CS> 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 32-Bit PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:18:56 GMT

i've got the 32-Bit PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter for the cable modem for my pc.

the driver has been installed to Win98 sys. and runs ok to connect to
internet.

now, i'd like to install the driver into the redhat 5.2 system.  can any1
pls help??  where should i get it configured???

tx in advance.

chilli


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From: Michael Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Apache forward to MASQ machines ???
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:59:57 +0100

Hi Rick Goh,

you wrote:
> Is it possible for APACHE on Linux server forward TCP requests to win2k MASQ
> machine if user types in www.coldfusion123.com, and serves requests if user
> types in www.sql123.com ???
> 
> I know that APACHE supports virtual hosting in which different sites are
> pointed to different directories on linux. But can it point to the IP of the
> MASQ machines??

Yes it is possible. You will have to use the
- URL rewriting engine and
- the internal proxy
of apache. Just create a URL rewriting rule transforming all URLs from
www.coldfusion123.com into URLs pointing to your internal server and
mark them to be serviced by the internal proxy "[P]". You will also need
to setup the internal proxy and to secure it from outside access to
remote URLs.


Malware

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From: "Flej Ling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Apache forward to MASQ machines ???
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:20:07 -0800

This is cool.

Flej.


Michael Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:91ikdd$su3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi Rick Goh,
>
> you wrote:
> > Is it possible for APACHE on Linux server forward TCP requests to win2k
MASQ
> > machine if user types in www.coldfusion123.com, and serves requests if
user
> > types in www.sql123.com ???
> >
> > I know that APACHE supports virtual hosting in which different sites are
> > pointed to different directories on linux. But can it point to the IP of
the
> > MASQ machines??
>
> Yes it is possible. You will have to use the
> - URL rewriting engine and
> - the internal proxy
> of apache. Just create a URL rewriting rule transforming all URLs from
> www.coldfusion123.com into URLs pointing to your internal server and
> mark them to be serviced by the internal proxy "[P]". You will also need
> to setup the internal proxy and to secure it from outside access to
> remote URLs.
>
>
> Malware



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From: "Emmanuel Beranger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Can any1 tell me why I can't print postscript ?
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:18:01 +0100

While gs is installed, and I can print ASCII

Am I missing something ?

TIA



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From: "Flej Ling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Dynamic DNS registration partially working
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:42:05 -0800

I am trying to use www.dynu.com for dynamic IP registration so I can have a
webserver with a registered www.anything.com name using a dynamic rather
than static IP address. However I can only register the IP manually; I can't
get it to register at boot time with a 45 second delay, (I am using a
dial-up modem for testing and need a 45 second delay to give PPP time to
connect. When testing is complete I will move the linux-box to a customer
site for use on a high-speed DSL line that should be connected all the
time).

I use DYNU's linux client called "DYNUPREM" (downloadable from their site).
You give it a configuration file containing your domain name, the top level
(ie: COM), a password for registering the IP, and the letter "n" indicating
that you have no more domains to register. I call this config file
"dynudata". Then to run the program you do "/dynu/DYNUPREM <
/dynu/dynudata". This works perfectly when I run it by hand. It also works
perfectly if I place it into rc.local as "( sleep 45 ; /dynu/DYNUPREM <
/dynu/dynudata ) &" and then type "/etc/rc.d/rc.local" (after I've connected
on PPP). 45 seconds later it shows up on the screen with its standard
message "the DYNU client is running".

But it doesn't work at all when I reboot the machine. Why would this command
not work on reboot (via rc.local) but work at all other times? Any ideas on
how to make it work in rc.local? Is there a different way that I could delay
this command to get it to execute properly?

Thanks,
Flej.





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From: "Flej Ling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dynamic DNS registration partially working
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:44:32 -0800

PS: I forgot to add that the way you can tell it is running is by opening up
your account at the www.dynu.com website and displaying the currently
registered IP address. This is the best way because when you register a new
IP address it takes anywhere from 10 seconds to two minutes before its known
on the web.

Will appreciate any answers,

Flej.


Flej Ling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:925%5.28477$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am trying to use www.dynu.com for dynamic IP registration so I can have
a
> webserver with a registered www.anything.com name using a dynamic rather
> than static IP address. However I can only register the IP manually; I
can't
> get it to register at boot time with a 45 second delay, (I am using a
> dial-up modem for testing and need a 45 second delay to give PPP time to
> connect. When testing is complete I will move the linux-box to a customer
> site for use on a high-speed DSL line that should be connected all the
> time).
>
> I use DYNU's linux client called "DYNUPREM" (downloadable from their
site).
> You give it a configuration file containing your domain name, the top
level
> (ie: COM), a password for registering the IP, and the letter "n"
indicating
> that you have no more domains to register. I call this config file
> "dynudata". Then to run the program you do "/dynu/DYNUPREM <
> /dynu/dynudata". This works perfectly when I run it by hand. It also works
> perfectly if I place it into rc.local as "( sleep 45 ; /dynu/DYNUPREM <
> /dynu/dynudata ) &" and then type "/etc/rc.d/rc.local" (after I've
connected
> on PPP). 45 seconds later it shows up on the screen with its standard
> message "the DYNU client is running".
>
> But it doesn't work at all when I reboot the machine. Why would this
command
> not work on reboot (via rc.local) but work at all other times? Any ideas
on
> how to make it work in rc.local? Is there a different way that I could
delay
> this command to get it to execute properly?
>
> Thanks,
> Flej.
>
>
>
>



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Won't Recognize All Memory
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:43:44 GMT

On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:24:27 GMT, Buck Turgidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I know this is a FAQ, and I thought I did everything right.  I've got
> 80M, which all gets counted by the BIOS, and my lilo.conf >looks like
> below.  Any idea why "free" only shows 64?  Obviously, I've rebooted
> (many times).

Did you re-run lilo after changing lilo.conf?

-- 
 -| Bob Hauck
 -| To Whom You Are Speaking
 -| http://www.haucks.org/

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From: "Buck Turgidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Won't Recognize All Memory
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:03:06 GMT

Uhh...no...Did I forget that?  I guess so....

Gracias



Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:24:27 GMT, Buck Turgidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I know this is a FAQ, and I thought I did everything right.  I've got
> > 80M, which all gets counted by the BIOS, and my lilo.conf >looks like
> > below.  Any idea why "free" only shows 64?  Obviously, I've rebooted
> > (many times).
>
> Did you re-run lilo after changing lilo.conf?
>
> --
>  -| Bob Hauck
>  -| To Whom You Are Speaking
>  -| http://www.haucks.org/



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From: "Dan Jacobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security,comp.security.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: blindly accepted net advice--> blew away filesystem
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:37:02 +0800

> > he wanted to remove his many "core" files, and the respondent forgot to
> tell him
> > to add '-name' after 'find /' ... and indeed his entire filesystem was
> wiped.
> > > > find / core | xargs rm -fr

Lately I've been sending wads of random 'clipboard cut & paste' contents to the
shell due to unfamiliartiy with X window's middle mouse button on Mandrake 7.2.
--
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Tel:+886-4-5854780; starting in year 2001: +886-4-25854780



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From: "Dan Jacobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO floppy question
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:13:23 +0800

> > I have read the LILO man pages dozens of times, but I somhow can't get to do
> > the following trick :
> > I want to boot from a floppy with LILO, offering me to boot hdb1. (I just
> > want to keep self HD boot with hda1)

Hmmm, maybe this helps.  I have windows on hda, linux on hdb...

Re: why can't one boot from /dev/hdb?]
"Svend Olaf Mikkelsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> "Dan Jacobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >boot=/dev/fd0
#use the above one for floppy, or else use:
> boot=/dev/hdb
> >map=/boot/map
> >install=/boot/boot.b
> >vga=normal
> >default=linux
> >keytable=/boot/us.klt
> >prompt
> >timeout=50
> disk=/dev/hda
> bios=0x81
> disk=/dev/hdb
> bios=0x80
> >message=/boot/message
> >menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw
> >image=/boot/vmlinuz
> > label=linux
> > root=/dev/hdb1
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> > append=" hdc=ide-scsi"
> > read-only
> >other=/dev/hda1
> > label=windows
> > table=/dev/hda
# remove for floppy version
> > map-drive=0x80
> >    to=0x81
> > map-drive=0x81
> >    to=0x80
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From: "Dan Jacobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.linux.isp,alt.netscape,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: How is a GNU/Linux modem user supposed to do his offline www browsing?
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:58:09 +0800

How is a GNU/Linux modem user supposed to do his
offline www browsing?  [Don't tell me to use somethng that I can't see Chinese
or picutes in.]

In IE5.5 I can go to all the various
pages I might want to read [not predictable, a flurry of search items,
links, etc.; then disconnect the modem; set IE to offline-mode, and
read according to the history list.  The best I see in Netscape [4.75]
is a "communicator history" flat list, and it will warn me for each
page requested that I'm not on line.

Also some sites mark their pages to timeout, unreadable later off
line.  It seems IE, in some cases, can still read them though needing a lot of
confirmation button click, whilst Netscape didn't even cache them.
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From: Bob Hartung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ppp "Peer is not authorized to use remote address . . ." RH7.0
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:15:10 -0600

Hi,
  I need a hand.  I have reinstalled RH 7.0 on a box that
had RH6.2 but was hacked.  I am trying to set up ppp dialing
again.  The /usr/sbin/ppp-on and ppp-off scripts, and the
/etc/ppp/ppp-on-dialer scripts were carried over from the RH
6.2 install and are pristine except for local specific
numbers, names, etc.
  I can dial up and log in with minicom so I am thinking
that I have a ownership problem somewhere except that I am
running as root, and all scripts so far are 770 with
root:root.  Any ideas.  I did not have this error with RH
6.2.

  My head is getting a flat spot from running into the wall.

TIA

Bob
-- 
Bob Hartung
www.radiologygrouppc.com
www.qchealthwatch.com

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:46:25 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,de.comp.periph.cdrom
Subject: Need with with cdrecord error

hi

i've recently been trying to write some music CD's using cdrecord and
during the write process, the following error shows up and causes
cdrecord to exit:

Performing OPC...
Starting new track at sector: 34387
Track 03:  21 of  43 MB written (fifo  20%).cdrecord: Input/output
error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: retryable error
CDB:  2A 00 00 00 AC 35 00 00 0D 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 03 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 00 0C 09 00 00
Sense Key: 0x3 Medium Error, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x0C Qual 0x09 (write error - loss of streaming) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)

write track data: error after 22809696 bytes
Sense Bytes: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Writing  time:   76.453s

I'd like to know if this error is due to a problem with my drive, or
whether it's just a bad CD-R.
Also, i'd appreciate it if someone could tell me where i can find more
information about these kinds of errors (so i hopefully wont have to
bother u nice folks again in the future :))

thanks
ali


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: LCD projector + linux = torture
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 16 Dec 2000 15:21:26 -0600

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Wright wrote:
>
>I have just spent an entire eventing trying to get my external LCD
>projector to work with Linux on my laptop.  All works fine in text mode
>but the LCD projector goes blank and complains "no signal" when X
>starts.  I have no problems under Windows 2000.  I combed the web for a
>solution but, although I have seen the question posed numerous times, I
>have yet to find a working answer (one suggestion was to "plug the
>projector in after X has started" ... sorry, doesn't work).  I am very
>frustrated; please chime in if you know the solution to this vexing
>problem!

I use a variety of LCD projectors, as I am an itinerant lecturer with 
laptop slide shows...

There's options to be set in the XF86Config file, under the "Device" 
section:

  Option  "extern_disp"
  Option  "intern_disp"

If only one is set, then only the external VGA connection will have 
video on it, if the other is set, only the LCD screen.  If your 
screen and projector can use the same video timings, you can have both 
set at the same time.  I use a Dell laptop (Insp 3800), and the 
NEC Multisync 3D settings work fine my laptop screen and seem to work 
well for every LCD projector I've come across.  So that's what I use.

Otherwise, you'd have to have 2 different XF86Config files, one for 
LCD screen and the other for External, and have the right monitor settings 
incorporated in each.

Since there's always that caveat that "your screen may go up in smoke 
if you choose the wrong monitor", experiment at your own risk.




-- 
Dave Brown  Austin, TX

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From: Todd Knarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.linux.isp,alt.netscape,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: How is a GNU/Linux modem user supposed to do his offline www browsing?
Date: 17 Dec 2000 16:47:07 GMT

In comp.os.linux.misc <91io94$1to$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dan Jacobson 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How is a GNU/Linux modem user supposed to do his
> offline www browsing?  [Don't tell me to use somethng that I can't see Chinese
> or picutes in.]

Well, first off the latest Netscape v4 is 4.76, but that's probably not
good either. What you need to do is probably one of three things:

1) Download Mozilla 0.6 from www.mozilla.org and install it. It handles
   HTML4/CSS1 correctly, unlike Netscape 4. It also includes an off-line
   mode similar to IE. If you're adventurous, you could also download
   some of the nightly builds from www.mozillazine.org. Stability here
   varies widely, though, so you will _have_ to read the notes on them
   first. I've found the 12-08 build stable, and so far 12-15 looks good
   too if you don't need SSL.
2) Go to Netscape's site and download their latest version, Netscape 6.
   This includes a lot of Netscape-centric links and pointers and buttons
   and other features, and lacks one or two things found in Mozilla like
   selective image-site blocking. I'd recommend plain Mozilla over it
   unless you absolutely _must_ have the Netscape logo on it.
3) Use wget to suck down copies of the Web sites you're interested in to
   your local hard drive, then browse them through a local Web server.
   This sometimes requires some experience with HTML to undo some of the
   URL dumbness HTML-generation tools do ( absolute URLs in hrefs and
   other tricks that force references to be non-local ).

-- 
Remember: every member of your 'target audience' also owns a broadcasting
station. These 'targets' can shoot back.
                                -- Michael Rathbun to advertisers
                                   in n.a.n-a.e

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