Linux-Misc Digest #944, Volume #26 Sat, 27 Jan 01 23:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: $/.bashrc aliases question... (Guy Parry)
Re: $/.bashrc aliases que (Guy Parry)
How do I set up an SSL https directory in linux/unix? (An Metet)
Re: How to use VNC? (Guy Parry)
Re: rpm -Fvh glibc-2.2.1-4mdk.i586.rpm (Craig Orsinger)
I am out of date --- USB floppy possible? Also LILO (J. Otto Tennant)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Johan Kullstam)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Johan Kullstam)
Re: what news reader do you use? (charlie)
Re: Linux not free anymore? (Steve Withers)
Re: I am out of date --- USB floppy possible? (drumvudu)
can't use mkbootdisk ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How to put LILO in 1st sector of boot partition ? (John Hasler)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Mark Bratcher)
Re: Linux not free anymore? (Steve Withers)
Re: can't use mkbootdisk (Bob Martin)
Re: Lilo configuration (Jack Kaufmann)
Re: why can't i find any good GUI file managers? ("jim cason")
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From: Guy Parry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: $/.bashrc aliases question...
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:09:35 +1100
Aaaaah...I'll try again...
On 27 Jan 2001 15:27:42 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave
Brown) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Guy Parry wrote:
>> export BASH_ENV=$HOME/.bashrc
>> . $HOME/.bashrc
>>
>> in my .bash_profile, and it just gets me a message saying:
>>
>> bash: ./home/pargoo/.bashrc: No such file or directory
>
>
>Apparently, you haven't typed what you think you've typed.
>
>The error message that bash is giving you says that you called a file
>"./home/pargoo/.bashrc", which is not the same as "/home/pargoo/.bashrc".
>It looks like you're missing the space between the "." and the "$HOME".
>
>BTW, BASH_ENV is only used for shell scripts, not read for interactive
>scripts, which automatically read .bashrc unless it's a login shell.
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From: Guy Parry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: $/.bashrc aliases que
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:11:11 +1100
Pesky spaces :/
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:04:01 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike
Mcclain) wrote:
>Howdy,
> Maybe this is simplistic, but based in what you've posted
>I'd suggest a typo.
>
>-=> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to ALL <=-
>
>
> PA> Okay, I tried
>
> PA> export BASH_ENV=$HOME/.bashrc
> PA> . $HOME/.bashrc
> ^ is there really a space here?
>
> PA> in my .bash_profile, and it just gets me a message saying:
>
> PA> bash: ./home/pargoo/.bashrc: No such file or directory
> ^ this implies not.
>
> PA> I am REALLY confused...
>
>We've all been there.
>
>Good luck,
>MiKe
>
>--- MultiMail/Linux v0.31
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:21:14 -0500
From: An Metet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How do I set up an SSL https directory in linux/unix?
I would like to set up ssl capability from my website to whoever views it.
The system has a program called ssleay. I'm aware that this has been
outdated by the newer openssl.
I need to know how to do it. The faqs are cryptic. Let me start by
asking,
1. What would be the name of my https directory? For my http docs, I use
public_html. Do I have to make a separate one?
2. What would be the commands for me to initiate the ssleay or openssl
for the files in that directory in order for others to read them as https
files?
I know all this has to be more simple than I can make out of the
documentation. I'm really pretty lazy and not a programmer. I don't want
to be a programmer. In fact, I don't have the brains to be a programmer.
So if anybody here can explain it simple to me I would appreciate it.
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From: Guy Parry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to use VNC?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:24:54 +1100
On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 07:14:05 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt
Haley) wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:08:59 +1100,
> Guy Parry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have installed VNC in my Linux and Windows partitions - easy! -
>>but aren't sure how to RUN the damn thing. I gather you have to use
>>telnet, but no information is given HOW to; eg, no EXAMPLES!
>> How do I telnet from my Windows into Linux to start the vncserver
>>there???
>> tia...
>
>If the remote machine is running Linux then,
>
>$ telnet remotemachine
> << LOGIN >>
>$ vncserver #might ask for a password if first run
These are on the same HDD. I can't start the server in the Linux
partition, can I? I can't seem to get it clear. You can only be
booting into one OS at a time. If I'm in Windows how can I get across
to the other partition to start Linux's server so I can THEN start the
viwer from Windows...
Or is it impossible? I don't get it. The docs says something
about DNS numbers. Something about 127.0.0.1...
Would I type something o do with that in Windows' telnet program?
Sorry to sound dense; I just can't seem to ask the question the right
way, thanks to shit documentation....sigh.
tia...
>
>Then using a viewer in Windows you can connect to remotemachine:1 and
>display it there. Or, you can browse to http://remotemachine:5801 with
>a Java capable web browser.
>
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From: Craig Orsinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: rpm -Fvh glibc-2.2.1-4mdk.i586.rpm
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:27:34 GMT
Neuromancer wrote:
>
> Thus spake lobotomy about Life, the Universe, and,
> Re: rpm -Fvh glibc-2.2.1-4mdk.i586.rpm:
> > Build it from source. OpenSSH doesn't require glibc2.2, in fact it
> > doesn't even require glibc2. If you build it against the libraries on
> > your system it will work fine. The fact that it won't be in your rpm
> > database *probably* won't be as much trouble as breaking the glibc
> > dependencies for everything on the system, unless you have software
> > installed from RPM that depends on OpenSSH.
>
> Even better, build it from source rpm.
>
> rpm -i whatever.src.rpm
> cd /usr/src/RPM
> rpm -ba SPECS/whatever.spec
> rpm -ivh RPMS/i586/whatever.i586.rpm
You should also be able to build it directly from the source RPM.
rpm --rebuild whatever.src.rpm
Use
rpm --rebuild --clean whatever.src.rpm
if you don't want all those temporary files lying around on your
hard disk afterward. If '--rebuild' doesn't work you can still do
it the way Neuromancer suggested.
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Subject: I am out of date --- USB floppy possible? Also LILO
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J. Otto Tennant)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:48:11 GMT
On my main Linux machine, the floppy has died. It is also a fairly
odd machine. It has a large (relatively) SCSI drive and an old
IDE drive.
Therefore, a couple of questions:
I'm using SUSE 7.0, and I can't seem to re-write the boot sector
on the IDE. It may be that the PROM boot sequence is hanging on
the failed floppy. The result is that I have to do a "install"
(changing nothing) from CD-ROM when I have to reboot.
It seems to me that just /sbin/lilo with an appropriate configuration
file should re-write the MBR. Am I missing something here?
(Fortunately, I almost never have to reboot.)
Second, does Linux support USB floppy drives?
(I really don't need this, as I can use my u$soft system, or even
the SPARC Linux system, to write the floppies. I'd just like to
avoid the hassle.)
Thanks.
--
J.Otto Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit.
Charter Member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:15:57 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Johan Kullstam wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > "." wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Finally, as for US politics, better bland/boring politics and a diverse
> > > > > and vibrant society than the reverse.
> > > >
> > > > I think we can all agree that what happened in florida during this past
> > > > election could be defined at the very least as a highly disorganized and
> > > > flawed state electoral system.
> > >
> > >
> > > No...merely corrupt Demoncrook National Committee people playing
> > > footsie with corrupt Demoncrook county election officials and even
> > > more corrupt Demoncrook Florida Supreme Starchamber
> > > dictat^H^H^H^H^^H^Hjustices.
> >
> > the only difference was that the republicrooks owned the higher
> > court. they are both equally bogus.
> >
>
> What part of "Federal law dictates that the rules of an election
> can NOT be changed after the voting has started" do you not
> understand?
the courts and a law about recounts were in place before the
election. every citizen has the right to redress in the courts. the
only unlawful thing i heard about was maybe the busloads of
repubilican hooligans running riot in dade county to stop any
counting.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:17:04 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Steve Ackman wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:11:37 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >John Hasler wrote:
> > >
> > >> Edward Rosten writes:
> > >> > Christian morals were also invented by people.
> > >>
> > >> And the US was _not_ founded on "Christian beliefs".
> > >
> > >You're splitting hairs -
> > >
> > >There was a strong deist influence, at the very least.
> >
> > Jefferson was a Deist, yet was branded an Atheist by his
> > Christian detractors. Deism is a far cry from Christianity.
> >
>
> Deism is a belief in the existance of God.
> Atheism is a belief in the non-existance of God.
>
> Obviously, Jefferson's detractors were lying.
or they could have simply been wrong.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: what news reader do you use?
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:16:15 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
knode isn't bad, and Pan is basically an Agent clone...try them both
> slrn is a great and efficient little reader. ...Edwin
>
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:32:59 -0500, JuanMa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 04:19:22 GMT, "blix" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>I am currently using PAN... it seems to be the closest to the newsreader
> >>I am used to on my Windows machine (MS Outlook Express).
> >>
> >>But I've been trying to use emacs to read the news but find it very
> >>non-intuitive and cumbersome. Is it worth it to learn to read the news
> >>in emacs?
> >>
> >>What news readers do you all use?
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance,
> >>blix
> >
> >
> >Newbie wise. Which one would you recommend?
> >
> >Thank You.
> >
> >
> >
> >Take Care.
> >
> >JuanMa
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >Remove the last .com to reply
>
>
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From: Steve Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux not free anymore?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:09:30 +1300
Steve Ackman wrote:
>
> On 22 Jan 2001 23:42:59 +0900, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >not to mention no regulation (gasp!), no courts, and hence, no way of
> >arbitrating disputes between the net.libertarians themselves.
>
> All the founding fathers were Libertarians, yet they
> managed to devise a Constitution with courts, import duties
> and excise taxes.
I doubt they were "libertarians" in the modern, American, sense of this
term. Women who wore skirts above the knee in the 1920's were referred
to as "libertarians".....though how they saw the role of the state vs
the citizen is not to be inferred from that.
> >lack
> >of education would mean no market for computers, software, the net.
>
> Gee... Thomas Jefferson never went to public school.
> I wonder how he ever managed to learn anything without it.
He was a while male from a wealthy family. Most people in Jefferson's
day couldn't even read. That came later through state-funded primary
education. Jefferson owned slaves.
> >the thing about libertarian capitalists is that most of them don't
> >understand that things like regulation and taxes benefit them quite a
> >bit.
>
> The first thing about socialists is that they don't understand
> libertarianism. The second thing is that they don't understand
> that regulation and taxes harm everyone more than they benefit.
To the extent that there is any proof at all it lies in the historical
record. The historical record shows that when unregulated activity
reaches a certain scale it exhausts the resuorces required to conduct it
and often destroys them completely.
"Regulation" is actually oversight (the big picture) which stores
learned information in an institutional structure in order to prevent
the lessons of the past being forgotten. This oversight is necessary as
none of us live forever...yet our institutions need to have "memories"
in order to avoid making the same mistakes over and over.
Libertarians are people who do not learn from the past - in fact, they
usually try to re-interpret it to suit their purposes - and want to be
utterly free to repeat all the error that went before.....
I understand Libertarians very well. The messes they make when their
ideas are implemented are the stuff of legend.
But that's history and Libertarians aren't interested in that....it's so
limiting.
We have regulation today precisely because the lack of regulation harmed
others. Should airlines be allowed to be regulated by their crash rate?
If a few hundred people get killed often enough, then the "market" will
enforce the solution by driving that airline our of business.....shame
about all the bodies.
Regulation and restrictions are an institutional attempt to protect
people from their own ignorance. Regulations are the legal embodiment of
the solutions to problems that you are I may not even know exist.
But our ignorance doesn't mean they aren't there.
Good regulations make our world, stable, prosperous and safe. Bad
regulations can be fixed when it becomes obvious the are bad.
No regulation at all is bad. We know that or we would not have
regulation at all. History is as history does. History does regulation
for the greater good.....at least in open, democratic societies. I do
not pretend to deal with dictatorship here.
--
Regards,
Steve Withers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Registered Linux user #24688
http://counter.li.org
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From: drumvudu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I am out of date --- USB floppy possible?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 03:12:22 GMT
Sun, 28 Jan 2001, J. Otto Tennant was alledged to have proclaimed:
> On my main Linux machine, the floppy has died. It is also a fairly
> odd machine. It has a large (relatively) SCSI drive and an old
> IDE drive.
>
> Therefore, a couple of questions:
>
> I'm using SUSE 7.0, and I can't seem to re-write the boot sector
> on the IDE. It may be that the PROM boot sequence is hanging on
> the failed floppy. The result is that I have to do a "install"
> (changing nothing) from CD-ROM when I have to reboot.
<snip>
*********************************************************************
Are you running lilo after you edit the file to commit the changes?
Yast has a very easy tool to do this..
********************************************************************
> It seems to me that just /sbin/lilo with an appropriate configuration
> file should re-write the MBR. Am I missing something here?
>
> (Fortunately, I almost never have to reboot.)
>
> Second, does Linux support USB floppy drives?
>
> (I really don't need this, as I can use my u$soft system, or even
> the SPARC Linux system, to write the floppies. I'd just like to
> avoid the hassle.)
>
> Thanks.
> --
> J.Otto Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit.
> Charter Member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
>
"Nothing astonishes men so much as common sense and
plain dealing"...Ralph Waldo Emerson
"It takes a wonderful brain and exquisite senses to produce a few
stupid ideas"...George Santayana
Confucious say "If you play in root,
eventually you will kill tree"...anonymous
SuSE 7.0 2.2.16
Linux: t h e c h o i c e o f a
G N U g e n e r a t i o n . . .
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: can't use mkbootdisk
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 03:12:55 GMT
I am new to linux. I have redhat v7. I am trying to make a bootable
floppy. I read about mkbootdisk so I tried. The thing is, my system
can't find it. I tried to install the rpm from the CD but it says it's
already on my system so it won't install it. I can't use it. HELP!!
Thanks.
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to put LILO in 1st sector of boot partition ?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:12:45 GMT
Patrick Machado writes:
> I think once overwritten, the bootsector cannot be recovered unless you
> got a copy
Lilo makes just such a copy. From the lilo man page:
-u device-name
Uninstall lilo, by copying the saved boot sector
back. A time-stamp is checked.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 03:17:48 GMT
Oh, I get it now.
This all falls under the "misc" part of "comp.os.linux.misc". :-)
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Johan Kullstam wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > "." wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Finally, as for US politics, better bland/boring politics and a diverse
> > > > > > and vibrant society than the reverse.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we can all agree that what happened in florida during this past
> > > > > election could be defined at the very least as a highly disorganized and
> > > > > flawed state electoral system.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No...merely corrupt Demoncrook National Committee people playing
> > > > footsie with corrupt Demoncrook county election officials and even
> > > > more corrupt Demoncrook Florida Supreme Starchamber
> > > > dictat^H^H^H^H^^H^Hjustices.
> > >
> > > the only difference was that the republicrooks owned the higher
> > > court. they are both equally bogus.
> > >
> >
> > What part of "Federal law dictates that the rules of an election
> > can NOT be changed after the voting has started" do you not
> > understand?
>
> the courts and a law about recounts were in place before the
> election. every citizen has the right to redress in the courts. the
> only unlawful thing i heard about was maybe the busloads of
> repubilican hooligans running riot in dade county to stop any
> counting.
>
> --
> J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Don't Fear the Penguin!
--
Mark Bratcher
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=========================================================
Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: Steve Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux not free anymore?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:21:10 +1300
blah wrote:
>
> >
> > Most of us spell it 'harbor', but garglemonster evidently doesn't believe
> > in following the crowd in his use of the language.
> >
>
> Most of us???? Since when did the USA comprise most of the world's English
> speaking population?
> *Most* people spell it 'harbour', so I guess he was, after all, following
> the crowd.
Debateable.
280 million Americans.
30 million Canadians.
60 million Brits.
3.5 million Irish.
20 million Australians (though they slavishly copy America for most
things).
4 million New Zealanders......I make it 125-ish million out side the US.
2 million in Singapore (mainly as a second language after Chinese)
1 million in Hong Kong (as in Singapore....Cantonese is primary).
1 million throughout the Caribbean...at most.
1 million throughout Oceania (Fiji, Western Samoa...etc..)
......I make it 130-ish million who might use the British spelling
outside the US.
UNLESS you count India where millions more speak English as the "glue"
that binds their 11-language country together. That's just the 11
official languages....there are lots more.
British English has become "International" English......while the
American version tends to be the US and it's colonies......(Guam,
American Samoa, Puerto Rico, the Marshall islands and perhaps
Panama..and - increasingly - Australia).
If you count India, then "Harbour" wins.
--
Regards,
Steve Withers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Registered Linux user #24688
http://counter.li.org
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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: can't use mkbootdisk
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:32:19 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I am new to linux. I have redhat v7. I am trying to make a bootable
> floppy. I read about mkbootdisk so I tried. The thing is, my system
> can't find it. I tried to install the rpm from the CD but it says it's
> already on my system so it won't install it. I can't use it. HELP!!
>
> Thanks.
>
Are you logged in as root or regular user ? mkbootdisk is
something root would use and is located in /sbin which is normally
not in the regulars users path.
--
Bob Martin
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From: Jack Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lilo configuration
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 03:52:51 GMT
Markku Kolkka wrote:
>
> Jack Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Eric Hicks wrote:
> > > You have to rerun lilo after making any changes. Type '/sbin/lilo' while
> > > logged in as root.
> > That's when I got the message "Can't put the boot sector on logical
> > partition 0x346". What's up with that?
>
> There's something wrong with the "boot=..." command in
> /etc/lilo.conf. Check that it points to an existing partition, and I
> suppose the partition should start below the 1024 cylinder limit.
>
> --
> Markku Kolkka
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you (and Hugh) for the input -- I found a typo that had worked its
way into the "boot=. . ." line, and all is well. Thanks again.
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From: "jim cason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: why can't i find any good GUI file managers?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 03:48:32 GMT
I have been playing with Linux since the early 90's, so I am not knocking it
at all. I make my living from M$ technology, but enjoy seeing Linux flurish
and would love to see it make some real competition for M$. However, why is
this the case? Windows Explorer will allow you to copy these large
directories either by GUI Explorer or by Command Prompt. It seems to me that
if Linux is going to be serious in the corporate space (especially at the
desktop), then it has got to improve in these areas, small as they may seem.
Thoughts?
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Pawel Golik wrote:
> >
> > dom wrote:
> >
> > > I use XWC (XWIN Commander) Very simple interface, stable, fast, looks
alot
> > > like that ole windows explorer (please forgive me :-)
> >
> > Be careful about XWC - I lost data twice due to it!! It seems to have a
> > bug that drops some files if you copy large (thousands of files)
> > directories. It doesn't give any warning, just when you look at the
> > supposedly copied directory you notice that some files are missing.
> > Happened to me twice on two different systems (only with directories
> > containing really lots of files, like linux source tree). No problems if
> > you copy individual files, but you can do that faster winth command
line.
> > Pawel
>
> xfm does this too. The safest way I know to copy large file directories
> is with the shell and the cp command.
>
> jamess
> --
> "On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section,
> it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux."
>
> -Anonymous
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