Linux-Misc Digest #975, Volume #26 Tue, 30 Jan 01 21:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Best Linux for Apache Web Server (Steve Ackman)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Vilmos Soti)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Tony Neville")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Johan Kullstam)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Tony Neville")
Re: How to Read CPU Temperature (Alex)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Re: CDROM detected at boot, can't mount ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Re: smbfs entries in fstab? (Dances With Crows)
Re: implementation of colored man pages (Steve Ackman)
Re: where to find a lot of software ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Ackman)
Subject: Re: Best Linux for Apache Web Server
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:41:10 -0500
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:28:48 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I want to set up a Linux machine as an Apache Web Server. What flavor of
>Linux is best suited for this purpose as far
>as ease of configuration, stability etc.
>
>Any help would be appreciated,
That's kind of like saying you want an off-road vehicle to
get from point A to point B. What model is best suited and
gives the best ride on rough terrain.
It's a completely subjective answer. The best way to find out
which one suits you best is to test drive several. The Mondo
pack from cheapbytes is generally a good way to get a nice
variety to try. 5 distributions on 12 CD's for $18.95:
http://cart.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/0070010611?Kaki96EZ;;220
--
Steve Ackman
http://twovoyagers.com
Registered Linux User #79430
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:45:32 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Hmmm, where did UNIX, OS2, and MacOS, come from,
> Europe? Further, since Linus has moved here,
> Linux is a product of the US too.
MacOS, Unix, and OS/2 all predate Windows.
Linux is not the product of the US. It is a product of the community
and Linus just happened to move to the US.
Vilmos
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From: "Tony Neville" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:01:21 +1300
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:49:17 +1300, Tony Neville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> No, the US was founded on Humanist beliefs. In the grand
> >> scheme of things, Christianity is just a historical footnote. You
> >> are gravely delluded.
> >
> >Was the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness a sentiment to
> >be found in Humanism in those days? If so, Humanism then as NO
>
> It still is.
It isn't.
> You might actually bother reading these things for yourself rather than
> merely taking taking the slander of someone with a conflict of interest as
> gospel.
Do you recommend I not read anymore books on sociology, or material
from so-called Rationalist organisations, or lurk on humanist newgroups?
I have grown to distain Humanism as a result of reading material from
those sources, and I distain Humanism even more when so-called
academics steeped in neo-marxist political correctness become politicians
and bureaucrats and try to manage the lives of adults and children into the
Brave New World.
> >resemblance to Humanism today with its embracing of Marxist theory
> >swamped in political correctness in the form of muliculturalism, moral
> >relativism, deconstructionism, and social engineering, its vilification of
> >anything Western and its fawning praise of primitive tribal cultures,
> >its cynicism and nihilism. Humanism is brain dead.
> >
> >But I think you're right about America not being founded on Christian
> >principles. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for man *on
> >earth* rather than in some supernatural never-never land, has never
> >been the cry of Christianity.
>
> Liberty or Happiness have NEVER been parts of Xian doctrine.
>
> Infact if you want to get into comparisons to marxism, Xianity
> better fits the bill. Xianity shares a very strong Platonic
> tradition which it shares with Marxism.
I know. Communism and Christianity have much in common.
> Idealists briefly flirted with Marxism due to the simple fact
> that it seems a more Humane system on the surface. This was
> true for a time (in general) about 70 years ago.
In my country marxism neither died in academic circles nor in government.
The same goes for much of Western Europe and Canada.
> You are utilitizing a common FUD tactic: pretending that grossly
> out of date information is currently relevant.
Well, I don't know what FUD is, and nothing I wrote was out-of-date.
Tony.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:46:33 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Brian V. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : In article <94ssr1$ae9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
> : |> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : |> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
> : |>
> : |> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : |> >>
> : |> >> > Maybe there's a good reason for literacy tests after all.
> : |> >>
> : |> >> Perhaps. But ill put my verbal SAT score up against yours or anyone
> : |> >> elses, any time.
> : |>
> : |> > You mean << I'll >> and << else's >>? ;)
> : |>
> : |> No, I meant exactly what I typed. See dejanews for my multiple arguments
> : |> for the granular use of capitals and contractions in informal prose.
>
> : Oh, that's *really* authoritative. It's pretty sad how lazy people have become
> : or ignorant of correct grammer when it comes to "prose".
>
> Chosing to deliberately disobey a grammer rule is not always a
> case of laziness or ignorance. I chose to not use the standard
> American English method of quotation because it is illogical.
>
> Consider this sentence:
> Standard way: "I went home," Bob said.
> More Logical way #1: "I went home", Bob said
> More Logical way #2: "I went home" Bob said
> More Logical way #3: "I went home." Bob said
>
> The standard way is illogical because the comma is there as an
> artifact of the process of putting the quotation into the sentence,
> and NOT a part of what Bob actually said - therefore it makes no
> sense to put it inside the quotation marks. If it's there at
> all, it belongs outside what was actually quoted of Bob (logical
> way #1). It could also be argued that it is redundant since the
> quote marks already tell you where the quote ends and the pause
> should go, and therefore there is no need for the comma (logical
> way #2). It could also be argued that since what Bob said was
> a complete sentence unto itself, that it needs a period (logical
> way #3). But the standard way is completely arbitrary nonsense.
>
> I see no problem with deliberately seeking to change the grammar
> rules when they make no sense.
True. I've found myself writing in style #1 more and more often, even
though I know that the "standard way" is correct.
#1 seems MUCH clearer
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:51:23 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Steve Ackman wrote:
> :>
> :> On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:11:37 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> >John Hasler wrote:
> :> >
> :> >> Edward Rosten writes:
> :> >> > Christian morals were also invented by people.
> :> >>
> :> >> And the US was _not_ founded on "Christian beliefs".
> :> >
> :> >You're splitting hairs -
> :> >
> :> >There was a strong deist influence, at the very least.
> :>
> :> Jefferson was a Deist, yet was branded an Atheist by his
> :> Christian detractors. Deism is a far cry from Christianity.
> :>
>
> : Deism is a belief in the existance of God.
>
> One that has nothing to do with Christianity. Which is kind of
> important considering what this subthread is about.
>
> : Atheism is a belief in the non-existance of God.
>
> No it isn't. It's the lack of the belief that god does exist.
That definition encompasses both Atheism & Agnosticism.
Theism: "I believe in a God/Goddess"
Polytheism: "I believe that there are multiple Gods and/or Godesses"
Atheism: "I believe that no God or Goddess exists"
Agnosticism: "I don't know if one or more God(s)/Godess(es) exist or not"
> To call this a belief rather than simple default skepticism is
> to assume that god existing is the default, which is circular.
>
> : Obviously, Jefferson's detractors were lying.
>
> Yes, they were. Many Christians assume everyone who isn't one
> of them is an atheist.
That's misuse of the definition.
> But what Jefferson was isn't relevant
> here, what matters is that he wasn't Christian.
True.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:01:22 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Nick Condon wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harlan Grove) wrote in <94si7f$7nq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > >Absolutely true. It's how we define 'freedom'. For those in the US of
> > >Libertarian bent, Microsoft can do what it wants to within certain
> > >legal bounds (which it's overstepped, IMO).
> >
> > Microsoft has a centrally planned, state granted, exclusive monopoly.
> > That's not very libertarian.
>
> No, it's not "state granted" If it was, they wouldn't have been
> CONVICTED of criminal conduct in Federal Court.
sure it is. what do you think copyright is? copyright is a state
enforced monopoly. no state enforcement, no copyright -- look at
middle/far east.
> > Americans are so busy watching and being suspicious of their government,
> > they've missed the big corporations sneaking up behind them, until it's too
> > late and there's nothing left to do but bite the pillow.
> Must be why Microsoft has been REPEATEDLY **CONVICTED** in Federal
> court for behavior nearly identical to that which got IBM REPEATEDLY
> ***CONVICTED*** of crimes back in the 1960's-80's.
that too.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: "Tony Neville" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:15:17 +1300
"Hartmann Schaffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <955k14$35j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Neville wrote:
> > ...
> >Was the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness a sentiment to
> >be found in Humanism in those days? If so, Humanism then as NO
> >resemblance to Humanism today with its embracing of Marxist theory
> >swamped in political correctness in the form of muliculturalism, moral
> >relativism, deconstructionism, and social engineering, its vilification of
> >anything Western and its fawning praise of primitive tribal cultures,
> >its cynicism and nihilism. Humanism is brain dead.
>
> if anything id braindead, it is this decription of humanism
Jesus on a stick, another insult that amounts to "Aw, sez you!"
Tony.
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From: Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to Read CPU Temperature
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:20:50 -0500
Paul Thomas wrote:
>
> Can anyone advise me how to read the CPU temperature?
>
> For an ALI Aladdin5 AGP Chipset, is there a memory-mapped
> location that contains this information?
>
This web page should be very helpful.
http://www.netroedge.com/~lm78/
Hope this helps.
Alex.
> - Paul
--
============================================
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http://www.seti.org/
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http://counter.li.org/index.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:20:27 -0000
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:39:54 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:957i20$h7q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> : Deism is a belief in the existance of God.
>>
>> One that has nothing to do with Christianity. Which is kind of
>> important considering what this subthread is about.
>
>By that token, Judaism isn't welcome in this country either, which is
>ridiculous.
>
>> : Atheism is a belief in the non-existance of God.
>>
>> No it isn't. It's the lack of the belief that god does exist.
>> To call this a belief rather than simple default skepticism is
>> to assume that god existing is the default, which is circular.
>
>No, Atheism is the believe that god doesn't exist. Agnosticism is the lack
>of a belief in god.
>
>Atheism is active disbelief, Agnisticism is skepticism about the belief.
No, atheism is lack of belief. If you null hypothesis is that
deities and the supernatural don't exist, then no active
'belief' is not necessary.
Agnosticism is more of a position that the issue is unsolved
or unsolvabe.
--
Having seen my prefered platform being eaten away by vendorlock and
the Lemming mentality in the past, I have a considerable motivation to
use Free Software that has nothing to do with ideology and everything
to do with pragmatism.
Free Software is the only way to level the playing field against a
market leader that has become immune to market pressures.
The other alternatives are giving up and just allowing the mediocrity
to walk all over you or to see your prefered product die slowly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CDROM detected at boot, can't mount
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:09:41 GMT
Before anyone else wastes brain cells on this one - there's something
ill in the machine's motherboard; I moved the CDROM to the slave on the
first channel and it works fine. Not going to investigate further. Tnx,
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder) wrote:
> GYULAI Mihaly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >In article <956uh2$d9m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >> CDROM drive ... detected (in /var/log/dmesg as dev/hdc) but can't
> >> be mounted (mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom)
>
> Maybe you're simply missing the link to /dev/cdrom.
>
> >Try using
>
> > mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom
>
> Right.
>
> >> The CDROM drive is ... on the 2nd IDE channel
>
> >Strange. Then it should be /dev/hdb.
>
> ?? What have you been drinking? /dev/hdb would be the SLAVE drive
> on the primary IDE port.
>
> Michael
> --
> Michael Buchenrieder * [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
http://www.muc.de/~mibu
> Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
> Note: If you want me to send you email, don't munge your address.
>
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:41:44 -0000
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:01:21 +1300, Tony Neville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:49:17 +1300, Tony Neville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> No, the US was founded on Humanist beliefs. In the grand
>> >> scheme of things, Christianity is just a historical footnote. You
>> >> are gravely delluded.
>> >
>> >Was the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness a sentiment to
>> >be found in Humanism in those days? If so, Humanism then as NO
>>
>> It still is.
>
>It isn't.
>
>> You might actually bother reading these things for yourself rather than
>> merely taking taking the slander of someone with a conflict of interest as
>> gospel.
>
>Do you recommend I not read anymore books on sociology, or material
>from so-called Rationalist organisations, or lurk on humanist newgroups?
Then by all means cite some.
Try to come up with sources more recent than 1933.
[deletia]
>> Idealists briefly flirted with Marxism due to the simple fact
>> that it seems a more Humane system on the surface. This was
>> true for a time (in general) about 70 years ago.
>
>In my country marxism neither died in academic circles nor in government.
>The same goes for much of Western Europe and Canada.
What ever you say McCarthy.
>
>> You are utilitizing a common FUD tactic: pretending that grossly
>> out of date information is currently relevant.
>
>Well, I don't know what FUD is, and nothing I wrote was out-of-date.
[deletia]
Bullshit. Your ramblings are out of date by 70 years.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: smbfs entries in fstab?
Date: 31 Jan 2001 01:51:48 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:37:42 +0100, Heiko Pawelczyk staggered into the
Black Sun and said:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> My smbfs entries do not seem to work in fstab.
>> Does any body have any information about this?
>
>//machienename/sharename /local/path smbfs
>noauto,username=xxxx,password=xxxxxx,uid=user,gid=group 0 0
Yep.
//xx.yy.zz.ww/sharename /mnt/share smbfs noauto,username=mhgraham,
uid=mhgraham,gid=users 0 0
in /etc/fstab works fine for me. If this is a multi-user machine, keep
passwords out of /etc/fstab ; this file should be world-readable.
One thing to note: The mountpoint ("/mnt/share" above) must be owned by
the user who's doing the mount. Security, y'know. "man smbmount" for
details.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Ackman)
Subject: Re: implementation of colored man pages
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:52:25 -0500
On 30 Jan 2001 21:46:48 GMT, J�rg Ziefle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I recently compared man pages from Red Hat and a SuSE distribution, and they
>were identical, also the Red Hat ones were colored and SuSE's not.
>
>So once again, my question is: How are the man pages under Red Hat colorized?
I don't know for sure, but I believe all recent versions of man
output color... just that in some terminal types you don't see the
color. For instance, in RH 4.x and 5.x, slipknot, mc and man were
b&w in xterms. At RH 5.1, I upgraded ncurses, and then they were
in color in xterms.
Even now, in RH 6.2, though my man pages are in color in X, they're
still in b&w on a console.
Do this: In a console, 'TERM=VT100' Now even the bold in man
pages is gone. Other terminal types give reverse text for bold.
In an xterm, do 'TERM=linux-m' and then 'mc'
Now do 'TERM=vt220' and 'mc'
I believe man and mc have routines that tell them how to behave
given certain terminal types and environment variables. You'd
have to look at source to be sure though... I'm just guessing
based on what I see.
--
Steve Ackman
http://twovoyagers.com
Registered Linux User #79430
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: where to find a lot of software
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:06:46 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/
And:
http://www.freshmeat.net/
--
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