Linux-Misc Digest #56, Volume #27 Thu, 8 Feb 01 09:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: ssh rsa fails? (Sak Wathanasin)
Re: Newbie: programming? (Pat Heuvel)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Karel Jansens)
mtrr's or lack of them ??? (os.linux) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: IPTables doesn't work (nor IPCHAINS) for kernel 2.4.1 (marmolejo)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Politics (was Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Johan Kullstam)
Standard Template Library (Ramin Sina)
Re: Cloning Linux Drives (Malcolm Cowe)
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From: Sak Wathanasin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ssh rsa fails?
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 12:09:55 +0000
Tom Edelbrok wrote:
> My permissions on the SSH Linux box for /home/admin/.ssh are "755". My
> permissions on identity are "600". My permissions on identity.pub are "664".
> And on authorized_keys I have tried "664" and "777". Also, in the
> /etc/ssh/ssh_config and /etc/ssh/sshd_config files I have said to use RSA
> authentication, and have also put in the correct path for the host key.
OpenSSH 2.3.0p1 works for me with both ssh1 & 2 clients from a variety
of systems (Linux/Solaris/Mac/NT). authorized_keys and authorized_keys2
must both be mode 600, and .ssh must be 700. In general, use the
strictest possible perms on your ssh files.
--
Sak Wathanasin
Network Analysis Ltd
178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry
Phone: 024 76 419996 Mobile: 079 70 751912 Fax: 024 76 690690
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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 23:22:43 +1100
From: Pat Heuvel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie: programming?
Gday Jason,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I have recently switched to Linux, and am ready to get started
> programming. I have a little experience programming with Borland C++
> Builder, and M$ Visual Basic, both of which are exclusively for
> Windows. Now, I took a look at GTK, and I have NEVER seen anything so
> complicated! I also could not figure out Glade, which is obviously a
> tool for making GTK programs.
>
> Where should I start? Should I start with C++? I would like to make
> programs with GUI's (not text-based). Any guidance would be a HUGE
> help. What language, how to get started, etc.
>
> Thanks,
> Jason.
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
If you've done some C++Builder, you should take a look at:
http://www.programmers.net/artic/Motta/vdkbuilder/vdkbuilder.html
Hope this helps...
Regards,
Pat
--
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+ "Logic clearly dictates, that the strokes of the many +
+ outweigh the strokes of the two..." +
+ (Apologies to Mr Spock) +
+---------------------------------------------------------+
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:25:33 +0100
Ian Davey wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geoffrey Tobin
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> but I can't remember who coined it now:
> >> "the existance of God disproves the existance of God, therefore God
> >> does not exist".
> >
> >That's an invalid argument, because its premise is false.
> >
> >If you want to find a logical foundation for your atheism
> >you will have to do much better than to commence by giving
> >credit to arrant falsehoods.
>
> To put it simply, the logic behind it is this: "If God doesn't need a
> creator then neither does the universe". To believe in God you have to believe
> that something can exist without being created (i.e. God) so that applies
> equally to the Universe.
>
> One simple question: If God doesn't need a creator, then why does the
> Universe need one?
>
Sorry for budding in, but isn't that merely shifting the problem?
Aren't you essentially turning the universe into a non-created entity?
And if not, could you explain - in a clear and non-ambiguous way (*) -
how the universe came into being?
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
==============================
(*) I can't help but noticing that the more cosmology advances, the
more its publications begin to resemble Genesis (there should really
be a smiley here, but then again...).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: mtrr's or lack of them ??? (os.linux)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 12:23:48 GMT
I posted this to fa.linux.kernel as well, but that seems to be the
wrong place..................................
I'm running SuSE Linux (7.0) Kernel:2.2.16 on an IBM Thinkpad 770
(chip:Pentium II 233mhz , memory:64mb , video:Trident Cyber 9397 2mb,
PCMCIA:TI PCI 1140 etc.) the info that I've managed to obtain seems to
state that PII's should have mtrr's, but I can't seem to get them
allocated, of course I may be wrong - Mobile PII's may not - but I
don't think so.
I'm using XFree86 4.0, have got the thing to do 1024x768:65536:16 bit
mode after mucho buggering about, and KDE2 works o.k. as well.
I entered video=vesa:ypan,mtrr at the lilo boot prompt to see whether
this did any good, and of course it didn't, I got ypan, but no mtrr,
but I do at least know that vesafb works now.
I've configured CONFIG_MTRR=y, compiled cleanly and installed, but to
no avail. /proc/cpuinfo entry always looks like this:
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 5
model : 8
model name : Mobile Pentium MMX
stepping : 1
cpu MHz : 233.867
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
sep_bug : no
f00f_bug : yes
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 mmx
bogomips : 466.94
/proc/ksyms has these two entries :
c0106b3c mtrr_add_R51679c5f
c0106e80 mtrr_del_R272d394e
I've even thought of messing (strictly as a testing exercise - total
blue sky idea) with Richard Gooch's code, to try and force allocation,
but shied away from that.
I've probably got one of those chips wot don't have mtrr's or
something.....I dunno.....If anyone out there can shed some light, your
help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:06:54 -0500
Geoffrey Tobin wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> ...
> > However...typical market forces would force even teachers
> > to learn the Constitution.
>
> What's the connection between a free market and inflexible
> legislation again?
Simple: "OUR schools have X% teachers who have successfully passed the
citizenship tests"
>
> --
> Best wishes!
> Geoffrey Tobin
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> WWW: http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~gt/gt.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:07:27 -0500
Geoffrey Tobin wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> ...
> > DEMONCROOK ...
>
> Abuse makes for a very unconvincing argument.
>
Merely characterizing them for what they are.
> --
> Best wishes!
> Geoffrey Tobin
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> WWW: http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~gt/gt.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:10:43 -0500
Geoffrey Tobin wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Most of the tamper-friendly voting systems are in Demoncrook-run counties.
> > Why is that?
>
> Because George W didn't want to count the ones in Re-publican counties.
>
Are you alleging that the Demoncrook election officials in the Demoncrook-run
counties were unwilling to properly count Al Gore votes the first time?
> --
> Best wishes!
> Geoffrey Tobin
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> WWW: http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~gt/gt.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (marmolejo)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: IPTables doesn't work (nor IPCHAINS) for kernel 2.4.1
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:15:20 +0100
Reply-To: marmolejo(arroba)able(punto)es
Con fecha Wed, 07 Feb 2001 12:46:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi�:
>I'm having problems getting the firewall modules to work correctly with the
>2.4.1 kernel under RedHat 7.0.
>
>When I try to use the modules, this is what happens:
>
>[root@naboo /root]# depmod -a
>depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in
>/lib/modules/2.4.1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack.o
Hi, why don't you try to remove /lib/modules/2.4.1??
I've that problem once and so did I:
rm -rf /lib/modules/2.4.1
cd /usr/src/linux/
make modules_install
depmod -ae
And everything works right.....try it
--
- Debian GNU/Linux Sid Linux User #162799 -
- PGP Pub Key en pgp.rediris.es ID:0x64438485 -
- marmolejo(@)able(.)es ICQ: 65833679 -
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:13:35 -0500
Geoffrey Tobin wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> ...
> > You remember all the chads that kept getting swept up off the floor
> > in Florida...NEVER allowed to accumulate, lest it become completely
> > f#$*ing obvious what was being done.
>
> Interesting point, but does every fanatical supporter of George "Dubya"
> (*)
> display a foul tongue in public, or is that a characteristic only of the
> most morally upright Republican voters?
False premise. I'm a registered LIBERTARIAN, asshole.
>
> (*) Hey! Isn't that a Russian name?
No. In fact, according to my (full, comprehensive) Russian-English
dictionaries, there are no Russian words which, in any form, turn into
the word "Dubya"
>
> --
> Best wishes!
> Geoffrey Tobin
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> WWW: http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~gt/gt.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:14:47 -0500
Geoffrey Tobin wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> ...
> > [By the way, I'm a Libertarian, not a Republican]
>
> I always wondered what the difference is. Now i know:
> a Republican has a sweet tongue in public.
>
Wrong. We oppose socialism and mommy-state and daddy-state government.
Democrats want government to be your mommy
Republicans want government to be your daddy
Libertarians want government to treat you like an ADULT.
> --
> Best wishes!
> Geoffrey Tobin
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> WWW: http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~gt/gt.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Politics (was Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:15:58 -0500
Geoffrey Tobin wrote:
>
> Walt, Southern, California, USA wrote:
> >
> > All you have to do is read and you'll see that historically, the most
> > crooked elections have happened in Democratic strongholds: Tamany Hall
> > (New York City), Chicago under Richard Daley Sr., and the county of Los
> > Angeles (in recent years) in California.
>
> No, Democrats (and Richard Nixon) are stupid enough to get caught
> committing felonies.
>
> Smart politicians, like Ronald ("i forget") Reagan, and Joh Bjelke
> ("i forget") Petersen, can violate constitutions, big time, and
> get away with it.
>
> Now i'll be hated by both parties, but i have low regard for their
> opinions.
Then join the Libertarians.
The only reason you tolerate criminal behavior by government officials
is because you choose to.
You are free to choose NOT to do so at any time.
>
> --
> Best wishes!
> Geoffrey Tobin
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> WWW: http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~gt/gt.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:17:25 -0500
Geoffrey Tobin wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> ...
> > The whole Constitution is founded upon the principle
> > that government can't be trusted....least of all those individuals in
> > government who LIKE being a part of it.
>
> Now i'm really frightened of Ronald ("happy, happy") Reagan.
>
Reagan has done more for Americans' freedom than any other president
in this century.
Other than the founding fathers, I think first place would be Andrew Jackson,
for vetoing the Bank of United States scheme.
> --
> Best wishes!
> Geoffrey Tobin
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> WWW: http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~gt/gt.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:27:10 GMT
Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Ian Davey wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geoffrey Tobin
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> but I can't remember who coined it now:
> > >> "the existance of God disproves the existance of God, therefore God
> > >> does not exist".
> > >
> > >That's an invalid argument, because its premise is false.
> > >
> > >If you want to find a logical foundation for your atheism
> > >you will have to do much better than to commence by giving
> > >credit to arrant falsehoods.
> >
> > To put it simply, the logic behind it is this: "If God doesn't need a
> > creator then neither does the universe". To believe in God you have to believe
> > that something can exist without being created (i.e. God) so that applies
> > equally to the Universe.
> >
> > One simple question: If God doesn't need a creator, then why does the
> > Universe need one?
> >
>
> Sorry for budding in, but isn't that merely shifting the problem?
no, it's *un*-shifting the problem.
> Aren't you essentially turning the universe into a non-created
> entity?
as something without a creator, sure.
> And if not, could you explain - in a clear and non-ambiguous way (*) -
> how the universe came into being?
only if you can explain -- in a clear and non-ambiguous way -- how god
came into being. invoking a creator of the universe adds complexity.
> (*) I can't help but noticing that the more cosmology advances, the
> more its publications begin to resemble Genesis (there should really
> be a smiley here, but then again...).
only in a very superficial way.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: Ramin Sina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Standard Template Library
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:34:37 GMT
Hi all,
could someone please tell me if STL is included in the gcc compiler that
comes with Red Hat Linux 6.2, and if so, what do I need to do to link it
with my code?
Thanks very much
Ramin Sina
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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 09:48:29 +0000
From: Malcolm Cowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cloning Linux Drives
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> * Tong * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> * Tong * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > "OpenMind" <**Mail Free America**> writes:
> >> >> cp /dev/hda dev/hdb
> >>
> >> There is no structure to preserve. He just does a bit for bit copy with
> >> the command he gave, until one or the other stream ends or errors.
> >> That will produce a perfect copy of one file system to the other,
> >> as a side-effect.
> >>
> >> The only problem with it is that it's inefficient .. it copies the
> >> meaningless bits on disk as well as the files and metadata.
>
> > a bit for bit copy? Once I follow this similar suggestion and found
> > my destination disk over 300M bigger than the original one... You've
>
> That is impossible. You made a "bit for bit copy". So its filesystem
> meta data is the same as the old filesystem meta data, and therefore
> in particular the new filesystem size is the same as the old filesystem
> size.
>
> > got a clue why? It just took me as a newbie quite an awful amount
>
> It's impossible. In the first place, your "destination disk" is
> really two things: one, a file system, and two a partition. The file
> system cannot be larger than the partition (though it may say anything
> it likes about itself), and the partition size is a constant (being
> determined only by a table entry in the zeroth sector of the disk). So
> you must be talking about the file system, not the partition, and you
> must be misremembering - I believe that you found the copied file
> system to be 300MB bigger than the partition it was in, not 300MB
> bigger than the filesystem you copied it from.
>
> Well, yah, boo, Don't Do That Then. You can't sensibly copy a
> 500MB partition bit-for-bit to a 200MB one. You didn't really
> go beyond the end of the partition, but the half of the file system
> you managed to write thinks it did.
>
> > Still don't know why? look into the -d flag of cp, and let alone
> > those necessary -p -R flags.
>
> No .. don't. This advice is nonsense. The -d flag means to copy
> symbolic links without diving into them to fetch data from where they
> point at. That is only relevant when copying a file system, which is
> NOT what one is doing by cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2. Those are just
> single enormous binary "files". There are no symbolic links to
> consider.
>
> Peter
Seems that Tong has assumed that you are copying mounted filesystems,
not the raw disk device. In this instance, Tong has misinterpreted the
cp command -- cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb is a copy of one file to another file
-- the source and destination just happen to be devices. You do not need
to recursively copy a single file, nor should it be dereferenced, under
normal circumstances. Personally, I'd have used dd, but that's just
preference (I hadn't ever thought of using cp for this kind of task).
And if you were copying mounted filesystems, you'd probably be better
off using cpio or a good version of tar (platform portability being the
consideration -- cp on Linux is that bit more feature rich than cp on
many other platforms).
Tuppence contributed. Exit, stage left.
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