Linux-Misc Digest #354, Volume #27 Wed, 14 Mar 01 01:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: 2 gripes that i can't fix (The Real Bev)
Start X Windows ("Boeman")
file permissions
Does Earthlink support Linux? (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: Start X Windows (Jan Schaumann)
what is libproc.so used for? ("Ron Kellam")
Re: Path Extraction (Young4ert)
accessing Linux KDE from Win98 ? ("John Gill")
Re: accessing Linux KDE from Win98 ? (Dean Thompson)
File synchronization solutions (Andre John Mas)
Re: accessing Linux KDE from Win98 ? ("John Gill")
Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE! (Carl Fink)
Configuring Pine. ("Mordak")
Re: KDE must learn from GNOME ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: cp -pdR or find | cpio (Scott Neugroschl)
RedHat RPM question ("Londonboy")
Re: lost root passwd ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Books on Unix Kernel for non-programmer. ("Jason")
Re: jpeg -> ps (malicorne)
Re: accessing Linux KDE from Win98 ? (Chad Everett)
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From: The Real Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2 gripes that i can't fix
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:23:15 -0800
Glitch wrote:
>
> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>
> > Glitch wrote:
> >
> >> David wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Glitch wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> 1. I can't for the life of me figure out how to make messages expire
> >>>> using Netscape Discussion. My newsgroups keep growing b/c I can't figure
> >>>> out how to make the old messages ****ing go away.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can anyone help?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Click "view/messages/Threads with unread"
> >>
>
> btw, i had to make my messages unthreaded to select 'unread'. I want
> them threaded so that isn't an option, not to mention it doesn't make
> them really go away, i just can't see them.
>
> >> That option is greyed out in my menu. How do I make it an option? Right
> >> now of course All is selected.
> >>
> >> In Netscape 4.76 there was an option under Preferences for Mail/News
> >> where u could set how old messages could be before they expired.
> >
> >
> > True, sort-of. You can set it to anything you like, but it never
> > changes it in preferences.js (or whatever it is), and leaves it at 30
> > days. I.e., it does not work. I guess they just admitted it in NS 6.
> >
>
> so basically the size of my newsgroups is going to grow infinitely
> larger b/c I can't make messages expire? I already have close to 20000
> messages in C.o.l.a and 10k in .networking.
Hey, anybody can spare 50 meg of space to store this stuff in some
unreadable format! I'm going to set it to keep 0 newest messages and dump
messages older than 15 days and see if saves any space....
was: 50,048 (keep messages which have arrived within the past 30 days)
is: 50,200 (keep 0 newest messages)
Hrm. An increase. Frightening. So whenever you try and take out the
trash it will punish me by adding to it? Moreover, just about everything
(view all messages) has disappeared, even though the files in xover-cache
are as huge (huger, actually) as they ever were.
> could i just edit preferences.js manually maybe? I'll try doing that.
That message was posted at least three hours ago, I think. I tried to
check, but the message is gone. Be afraid. Be very afra
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From: "Boeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Start X Windows
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 03:26:05 GMT
Dear readers,
I've just installed Red Hat 7.0. Everything went fine. When I rebooted I got
to login and the prompt appeared. I have no clue how to get the GUI visible.
I get stuck at the prompt!
I'm also running Win 2K. How do I get to choose the OS at boot without the
Linux Boot Disk?
Greetz,
Boeman�
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: file permissions
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 03:30:11 -0000
How do you prevent file ownership changing and group membership changing
on a file when it is written to by someone other than the orginal writter.
New person has permission to write from belonging to the group of the
writer besides his own group. When he writes it changes the orginal
ownership and group to new one and stops orginal writer from having access.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Does Earthlink support Linux?
Date: 14 Mar 2001 03:27:35 GMT
They are offering a promo 700 hrs, and DSL. Were you able to get it to
work with Linux? Or do they have a proprietary dialer, like NetZero?
--
jazz
Registered linux user no. 164098 +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Schaumann)
Subject: Re: Start X Windows
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 03:41:41 GMT
* Boeman wrote:
> Dear readers,
>
> I've just installed Red Hat 7.0. Everything went fine. When I rebooted I got
> to login and the prompt appeared. I have no clue how to get the GUI visible.
> I get stuck at the prompt!
man startx
You might wanna make linux boot into X per default (IIRC, it's runlevel
5 in RH).
man inittab
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
We are Microsoft. Unix is irrelevant. Openness is futile. Prepare
to be assimilated.
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From: "Ron Kellam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: what is libproc.so used for?
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:37:17 +1100
The subject says it all.
Replies by email too please.
Cheers,
Ron Kellam
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From: Young4ert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Path Extraction
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 03:41:42 GMT
David wrote:
> Young4ert wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If I want to extract the program name given the fullpath of the program,
>> all I have to do on my LInux machine is the following:
>>
>> ~/tmp> basename /usr/bin/basename
>>
>> and "basename" will return "basename". Nothing is wrong about; however,
>> if I want is the path of the program, i.e. "/usr/bin", what program
>> should I use to extract the path given the program name in fullpath?
>>
>> TIA.
>
>
> Do you mean something like: whereis basename
>
No. "whereis basename" shows fullpath program name. All I want is the path
to the program, i.e. if the program is /usr/bin/basename, then it will only
show /usr/bin. If there is no such thing, I will also be happy if someone
can help me on a simple awk (or any) script to do such.
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From: "John Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: accessing Linux KDE from Win98 ?
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 03:58:10 GMT
I remember seeing some software program -- VML ?? that allowed a networked
Windows client to access a virtual KDE desktop on a Linux server.
I am wondering a) what is this software, and where can I find it, and b) can
a text based Linux server provide this support, or must the KDE desktop be
resident on Linux ?
Thanks,
-- John
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From: Dean Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: accessing Linux KDE from Win98 ?
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:07:30 +1100
Hi John,
> I remember seeing some software program -- VML ?? that allowed a networked
> Windows client to access a virtual KDE desktop on a Linux server.
I think the program you are thinking of is called: VNC (Virtual Network
Computing).
> I am wondering a) what is this software, and where can I find it,
Virtual Network Computing is a little "gem" as far as I am concerned and
actually allows you to connect (in your situation) to a X display running on a
Linux box through another system (be it Windows, Solaris) or even through a
Web Browser. It allows you to take control of the system (just like
pcAnywhere or the older program Carbon Copy) and interact with the desktop.
It is slightly more complicated to set up in the UNIX arena than on the PC
arena, but it isn't too hard.
It makes use of the TCP/IP protocol which means you can be effectively
anywhere and provided that TCP/IP packets are permitted back to your machine
you will be able to connect to it. It is a great little utility which is
quite useful when wanting to connect to servers which are located in a locked
room or offsite somewhere.
You can find more information and VNC at the following URL:
http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
and b) can a text based Linux server provide this support, or must the KDE
> desktop be resident on Linux ?
For you to use VNC you will need a graphical environment of some kind
running. It doesn't have to be KDE it can be FVWM, AfterStep or anything
else. The pre-condition is that you have some sort of graphical environment
(X-server) running.
See ya
Dean Thompson
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From: Andre John Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: File synchronization solutions
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 04:47:40 GMT
Hi,
I am trying to find out what file synchronization (remote and local)
solutions there around. I would also be interested in any, except
for rsync that I know, are in the open source arena or that have
API or protocol that I could use for creating a client.
Thanks
Andre
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From: "John Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: accessing Linux KDE from Win98 ?
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 04:48:40 GMT
That was exactly the "gem" I was referring to. Thanks again.
-- JJG
"Dean Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Hi John,
>
> > I remember seeing some software program -- VML ?? that allowed a
networked
> > Windows client to access a virtual KDE desktop on a Linux server.
>
> I think the program you are thinking of is called: VNC (Virtual Network
> Computing).
>
> > I am wondering a) what is this software, and where can I find it,
>
> Virtual Network Computing is a little "gem" as far as I am concerned and
> actually allows you to connect (in your situation) to a X display running
on a
> Linux box through another system (be it Windows, Solaris) or even through
a
> Web Browser. It allows you to take control of the system (just like
> pcAnywhere or the older program Carbon Copy) and interact with the
desktop.
> It is slightly more complicated to set up in the UNIX arena than on the PC
> arena, but it isn't too hard.
>
> It makes use of the TCP/IP protocol which means you can be effectively
> anywhere and provided that TCP/IP packets are permitted back to your
machine
> you will be able to connect to it. It is a great little utility which is
> quite useful when wanting to connect to servers which are located in a
locked
> room or offsite somewhere.
>
> You can find more information and VNC at the following URL:
>
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
>
> and b) can a text based Linux server provide this support, or must the KDE
> > desktop be resident on Linux ?
>
> For you to use VNC you will need a graphical environment of some kind
> running. It doesn't have to be KDE it can be FVWM, AfterStep or anything
> else. The pre-condition is that you have some sort of graphical
environment
> (X-server) running.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE!
Date: 14 Mar 2001 04:18:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:10:04 GMT Laurent Cortier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>1. Use KDE 2.1, Konqueror 2.1 is just great.
It's actually surprisingly good, but its keyboard support is
astonishingly buggy -- I really dislike it when an app captures all
keystrokes, ignores them, and doesn't forward them. Of course
Netscape does this too, but not as often.
The other weird Konqueror keyboard bug is when all keystrokes are
handled by the *menu* handlers, even though you don't have a menu
open and have repeatedly clicked on the rendered page. You can tell
what's happening by watching the status bar.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I-Con's Science and Technology Programming
<http://www.iconsf.org/>
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From: "Mordak" <[email protected]>
Subject: Configuring Pine.
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:13:34 -0500
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I am new to Pine and want to set it up with my Yahoo! account. I really
enjoy the uncluttered layout, it has a fresh appeal to me.
I have the necessary smtp and pop server addresses, but I can't figure out
how to set up the user name and password in Pine. I am running SuSE 7.1 with
2.4 the Kernel.
Thanks in advance,
Mordak
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: KDE must learn from GNOME
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:12:11 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> peter hinkle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Dowe Keller wrote:
---snip
>> Why not install dpkg on your redhat box? I have it on my suse box and it
>> runs very well....
> .. And it's NOT dpkg that is the "good thing" about Debian; it's not
> _vastly_ different in functionality from RPM.
> The two particularly relevant "good things" about Debian (from a
> standpoint of packaging technologies) are:
> a) apt, which validates and selects packages based on the dependancies, and
> b) The actual set of Debian packages.
> Running dpkg on Red Hat or SuSE does somewhere between zero and
> nothing to really take advantage of these good things.
I guess the point of all this is simple... RPM is not a bad way
to package files, but some sort of automatic system for dependencies
is sorely needed. It would even be enough for it to (at least
temporarily) to have a slightly longer depends field, which could
be used by the developoer to add the name of a package that would
contain the file that would fulfill the dependency. Not a perfect
solution, but I would say that it would help out a lot...
My $0.10 (inflation, you know...)
Kris
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From: Scott Neugroschl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: cp -pdR or find | cpio
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:15:35 -0800
* Tong * wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Seems to me people tend to like the "find | cpio" approach when
> copying files. My question is, for cases that a simple "cp -pdR" can
> handle, would the "find | cpio" approach has more advantage over it?
> I know that the "find | cpio" approach can do more, such as
> filtering, but let's limit our discussion to the simple "cp -pdR"
> ability.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply)
> http://members.xoom.com/suntong001/
> - All free contribution & collection & music from the heavens
cpio handles special files and symlinks better.
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From: "Londonboy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: RedHat RPM question
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:16:03 GMT
I am running the RPM installation of Apache 1.3.14 on RedHat 7.0, for some
reasons, I have to get additional support and most articles on the Internet
said that I have to re-compile the source code.
Detail: I need to connect PHP (from Linux) to MS SQL (on NT/w2000) under
Apache, so I have to install the Sybase driver and everything has to get
re-compiled as I was told.
The problem:
=============
I downloaded all the source code, and compiled it followed the instructions.
Now, I found that the installation was TOTALLY different from RPM. for
example, the Apache config file is located somewhere and it didn't install
the service in /etc/init.d/httpd
Even worst, I didn't even get it working. Got some error message in the log
file.. still couldn't fix it. even lookup apache FAQ. (RPM was so much
easier)
Questions:
===========
RPM supposes to make people's life easier, but feel like I don't have enough
support. Everyone in these newsgroup or articles on the Internet tell me to
re-compile the source code instead. Oh man... it is a pain. I am just a web
designer trying to get a web server going. These stuffs wasted all my time.
Why can't people just release some binary for RedHat, download it and plug
and play? or have sort of install shield shit like Windows? Can anyone tell
me why? Linux makes newbie's life difficult.
N.B.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: lost root passwd
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:18:57 GMT
Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Just to add to the systems where that will not work... Mandrake
>> defaults to requiring a password on a single user boot...
> Since when? I ditched Mandrake for Debian a few months ago, I think it
> was mandrake 6.2, and I clearly remember that single-user mode was not
> password-protected.
Well, 7.2 still does - unless I somehow managed to set it up to require
it on the sevaral installs I've done... :-)
> Anyway, as other people have pointed out (here in this thread and in
> other threads every so often), if a person has physical access to your
> machine, this password protection doesn't do dick for you. After all,
> that person might as well open your machine and take out the HD itself
> and run away with it.
Ah... Yes.. The joys of having a machine I dug out of the trash heap;
an old DEC Celebris - locking case, good startup password protection,
the ability to lock the kb etc. from the bios... DOn't need all that,
but the machine was originally designed to be a server, and that is
actually what it is destined to do here sometime in the near future.
Yet, physical security is still the first line of defense... Keep your
machines out of reach of those who do not need to get to it....
Kris
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From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Books on Unix Kernel for non-programmer.
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:43:28 -0800
A friend just lent me a book : Unix In A Nutshell. Choc full of reference
material for Unix and Penguins alike.
J.Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:qivr6.8829$43.65361@zonnet-reader-1...
> Dear all,
>
> Im looking for some books or web-resources that will help me understand
the
> *nix kernel in some more detail, and was hoping that posting here would
get
> me some good tips ;). Im looking for books that will help me understand
the
> concepts and design decisions, rather than show me the source code. Since
im
> not a programmer but a simple *nix system administrator, Lions' Commentary
> on Unix probably is not what im looking for here. Books that cover the
*nix
> kernel in general (like BSD or SysV) rather than a specific implementation
> (like Solaris kernel) would also be preferred.
>
>
> Any and all suggestions are more than welcome,
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
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From: malicorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: jpeg -> ps
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:38:04 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Neil Zanella wrote:
> I am using a digital camera instead of a scanner or photocopier to archive
> some black and white articles as I find it fairly convenient. I would like
> to know whether there is a tool under Linux for converting jpeg to ps so
> that I nay print the pages on a postscript printer and obtain fairly
> decent results.
convert from the ImageMagick package will do this. Be sure to use ps level
2 as the output is much faster on printers. convert can also annotate
pictures with text and will let you make about 100 different other
graphical things to images along with the conversion. It handles a lot of
graphical formats. The interface is command line. If you are also
programming, ImageMagick has C, C++ and Perl libraries. And convert is
only one module of the whole package. Do a Google search and you will find
the web site.
Alain
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: accessing Linux KDE from Win98 ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:01:14 GMT
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, John Gill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I remember seeing some software program -- VML ?? that allowed a networked
>Windows client to access a virtual KDE desktop on a Linux server.
>
>I am wondering a) what is this software, and where can I find it, and b) can
>a text based Linux server provide this support, or must the KDE desktop be
>resident on Linux ?
>
Get a X Server that runs on Windows (I like winaXe formally
X-WinPro: www.labf.com) and setup the linux box to run KDM
configured to allow remote XDMCP requests and you're all set.
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