Linux-Misc Digest #434, Volume #27 Sat, 24 Mar 01 11:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Firewall authentication? ("The Spook")
Help for compiling software? (Orange)
Re: ALSA problems (Bart Friederichs)
Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE! (Bart Friederichs)
Re: Best E-mail Client? (Christian Garms)
Re: Making .bat-file in linux (Uwe Malzahn)
Tandy Model 100 as linux terminal (Rick)
Can rsh in one way but not another ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Palm handheld as Linux terminal (Rick)
Re: pdf (was: Best E-mail Client?) ("steve")
Typesetting and Wordprocessing (Was: Re: Best E-mail Client?) (H.Bruijn)
Re: *Good* Office software for linux??? (Mike Flournoy)
Re: Sendmail problems (Alex Fitterling)
Re: Installing KDE 2.1 RPMs must be easier than this (Chris Gordon-Smith)
Re: MGA400 + DRI in XFree 4 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Libtools vs. ldconfig and scripts (Young4ert)
lyx and latex (was:: Best E-mail Client?) (Jan Schaumann)
Re: Installing KDE 2.1 RPMs must be easier than this (Chris Gordon-Smith)
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From: "The Spook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Firewall authentication?
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:27:52 +0100
Steve Bui ...
>Is this program posted somewhere for download?
-- Cut --
Sorry, I did this program for a customer that is very security-aware and
thus believes in security by obscurity (i.e. no open source here).
Sorry again.
/TRY
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From: Orange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help for compiling software?
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:42:58 +0800
I have compiled kdelibs-2.1.6x.i386.src.rpm several times before
successfully. At last night I try to re-compile it again to generate new
rpms but it terminated with qt 2.2.2 or higher cannot be found. I have
installed KDE 2.1 and running the above process under KDE. Why it said
cannot find qt this time? What I have done before this time, is upgrade
my kernel to 2.4.2 and upgrade my rpm to 4.0 and then downgrade to 3.0.6
because I find that my kpackage not running with rpm4.0.
The reason of me to re-compile the kdelibs snd kdeadmin is to try to
make the kpackage support rpm4.0.
Can anyone give me some hints about my problem?
Would it be something wrong with my rpm database?
Thanks for your help!
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From: Bart Friederichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ALSA problems
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:47:56 GMT
> I didn't have those problems with 2.2.14, it just began with this kernel
> 2.4.2.
Aha, maybe I'll stumble into the same problems then, when I try to
upgrade. Although I am pretty happy with 2.2.16, runs on my server too.
>
> - Do you have midi (without timidity)?
I think MIDI is not worth trying.
> - If you happen to be a gamer, do you have sound in quake1/2/3?
Nope, not a gamer, sorry.
Sorry I couldn't help.
Bart
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The internet is a too slow way of doing things you'd never do without
it.
Bart Friederichs, 1998
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From: Bart Friederichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE!
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:54:30 GMT
> IE doesn't work properly with www.microsoft.com! Visit it
> with IE, and much of the time it only renders the banner!
> If you refresh it gives you a bit more. Netscape often,
> but by no means always, works with www.microsoft.com. So
> if I visit that URL I keep both the browsers open and
> copy and paste URLs just in case one browser handles the
> page better than the other. That site is a pain.
Who wants to visit microsoft.com? As long as everybody follows the rules
(read: writes w3c compliant HTML) there's no problem. I have seen very
little good use of Java and the other overhead producing 'nice things'.
Bart
--
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The internet is a too slow way of doing things you'd never do without
it.
Bart Friederichs, 1998
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From: Christian Garms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Best E-mail Client?
Date: 24 Mar 2001 13:46:18 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dowe Keller) writes:
> >You are exceptional. I would estimate that 90% of the word
> >documents I've read have broken tables of contents, broken
> >cross references, and/or broken sequence numbering. I've got
> >one at had right now where the TOC numbers are all wrong.
>
> In a world with LaTeX, SGML and Texinfo, why do some people still
> insist on doing things the *HARD WAY*?
Maybe some graphic programs to draw chemical structures are non-existent
(ChemWindows) in Linux and if I should work under WindowsNT I can also
use Bill's Word (which has an excellent Copy&Paste function). But after
finishing my thesis I converted the whole document into PDF, so it is now
readable in twenty years, then MS Word 2020 didn't recognize old
Word97-format anymore.
But for mathematical stuff LaTeX is the best. My flatmate wrote his thesis in
physics with LaTex. It was a hard way for him to put graphics into his
work, though.
My recommendation is still LyX. Best of both worlds!
--
regards,
Christian mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Uwe Malzahn)
Subject: Re: Making .bat-file in linux
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:53:33 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Federico Bravo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The Spook wrote:
>
--[full quote deleted]--
> What if I don't put that first line - '#! /bin/sh' ?
>
It just uses your default shell.
Cheers,
Uwe
--
"Linux is like a wigwam, no windows, no gates, and an apache inside."
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.tandy,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Tandy Model 100 as linux terminal
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:51:36 -0500
Is it possible to use a Tandy model 100 as a terminal on a Linux
machine?
If so, how might I do this? I want to be able to log into my desktop and
kill X when netscape or something else locks up X.
Any and all help appreciated.
--
Rick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can rsh in one way but not another
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:50:01 +0000
Hi, all,
I posted the message below to comp.unix.solaris but got no response. Since it's
general UNIX, execuse me for posting here.
The following is modified from an example in man tar, and has been working fine for at
least a month but stopped working a few days ago:
$ tar cvfb - 20 /commondir/africa_index.dbf | rsh indigopool-int dd of=/dev/rmt/1n
obs=20b
So I have to change it to:
$ rsh -n indigopool-int tar cvf /dev/rmt/1n /commondir/africa_index.dbf
Fortunately, the file under /commondir is readable on both the local machine and
remote (indigopool-int) due to NFS mount, so the second command does the job fine.
Now, I want to know why the first command stopped working. By that, I mean even a very
small file takes more than 24 hours and still can't finish and I have to kill the tar
(on local) and dd (on remote) processes. truss [note: equivalent to strace on Linux]
on tar and dd shows a lot of reads, a write, a lot of reads, a write... It looks like
it's still tarring, just never finishes. Thanks for any explanation.
Yong Huang
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Palm handheld as Linux terminal
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:56:16 -0500
Is it possible to use a Palm handheld as a terminal on a Linux
machine?
If so, how might I do this? I want to be able to log into my desktop and
kill X when netscape or something else locks up X.
Any and all help appreciated.
--
Rick
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From: "steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pdf (was: Best E-mail Client?)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:49:08 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OnWed, 21 Mar 2001 14:59:02 -0500, "Jean-David Beyer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:
> Jan Schaumann wrote:
>> * Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>> > Jan Schaumann wrote:
>>
>> > > If they want to generate PDF's, surely they could use ghostscript
>> > > (which, IIRC, is available for Windows as well (I know it's
>> > > available for Mac, so I assume it's there for Win as well)) to
>> > > convert a ps into a pdf.
>> >
>> > Perhaps they could get ghostscript, but they have stuff in
>> > Microsoft Word, not .ps, so how do they convert Word .doc files to
>> > .ps files so they can use ghostscript to convert that to .pdf?
>> Doesn't "Print to file" in Windows generate a postscript just like in
>> *nix?
Yes a windoze user can simply print to file, creating a .prn file which
is MickeySoft's version of a .ps file. Then the user needs distiller to
create the pdf. It's expensive btw, but very useful, especially if one
often needs to send documents out for approval and one wants the
formatting to be exact. That's something even different versions of
Word can't do btw [keep formatting exact].
--
Steve - Toronto ICQ 35454764
Powered by GNU/Linux
8:46am up 14 days, 22:34, 8 users, load average: 0.09, 0.06, 0.08
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H.Bruijn)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Typesetting and Wordprocessing (Was: Re: Best E-mail Client?)
Date: 24 Mar 2001 14:04:27 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 24 Mar 2001 13:46:18 +0200, Christian Garms allegedly wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dowe Keller) writes:
>
>> >You are exceptional. I would estimate that 90% of the word
>> >documents I've read have broken tables of contents, broken
>> >cross references, and/or broken sequence numbering. I've got
>> >one at had right now where the TOC numbers are all wrong.
>>
>> In a world with LaTeX, SGML and Texinfo, why do some people still
>> insist on doing things the *HARD WAY*?
>
>Maybe some graphic programs to draw chemical structures are non-existent
>(ChemWindows) in Linux and if I should work under WindowsNT I can also
>use Bill's Word (which has an excellent Copy&Paste function). But after
>finishing my thesis I converted the whole document into PDF, so it is now
>readable in twenty years, then MS Word 2020 didn't recognize old
>Word97-format anymore.
IIRC there's xymtex, which does chemical structures. BTW if you want
something non-standard you can always try to search the Comprehensive
Tex Archive Network, http://www.ctan.org.
Most packages have good, if not excellent documentation, often with the
.tex source file so that you cansee how everything was done as well.
>But for mathematical stuff LaTeX is the best. My flatmate wrote his thesis in
>physics with LaTex. It was a hard way for him to put graphics into his
>work, though.
It is not, you can easily draw tex-images in xfig, but you can simply
include postscript images in your latex as well. Postscript has like
any other vector based format the advantage that it is resolution
independant, often your figures look much better printed then they did
on your screen. And with ImageMagick's convert you can convert nearly
all image formats to postscript.
A simple figure with caption is done as follows:
% Don't forget \usepackage{graphics} in the preamle.
\begin{figure}
\centering
\includegraphics[width=10.0cm,heigth=6.5cm,rotate=90]{IMAGES/dog.ps}
\caption{This is an image of a dog, rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise.}
\label{pic-dog}
\end{figure}
>
>My recommendation is still LyX. Best of both worlds!
Yes and no, it is somewhat WYSIWYG but you can also include "raw"
(la)tex for more complex tasks. But in my opinion the complete
seperation from composition and typesetting which latex enforces allows you
to concentrate on what's most important, your text, the ideas which you
wish to communicate. More on that can be found here:
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/wp.html
--
If a trainstation is the place where trains stop, what is a workstation?
========================================================================
Herman Bruijn website: http://hermanbruijn.com
The Netherlands
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Subject: Re: *Good* Office software for linux???
From: Mike Flournoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:05:59 GMT
in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], JTS at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
on 3/23/01 11:04 AM:
> What v. of WP have you tried? The new 2000 version (WP9) is quite
> "MSWord-like", if that's what you're after. It's not free like 8, but Corel
> has basically ported the whole Windoze version over to Linux with WINE. That's
> probably going to be you're most mainstream (aka M$-ish) package if all you
> want is point&click functionality & are willing to tolerate
> a certain level of bloat (not that there's anything WRONG with that! ;->).
>
> (No flames, please. I haen't tried Applix or StarOffice, so YMMV)
>
I have no experiance with WordPerfect on Linux but on Mac and Windows I find
it to be very nice. And every bit the equal of Word. Also WordPerfect has a
modern version available on Windows, Dos ( ! ), Macintosh, and Linux, all
with good translators built in. It is the cross-platform compatibility king.
( Even though the Mac version is several years old and not supported anymore
it IS free for download from Corel and I have never tried anything it
couldn't do easily. I downloaded the free pdf manual but have never looked
at it or had to use an "assistant". ) Also, I find both the dictionary and
thesaurus are of extremely good quality.
Mike
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From: Alex Fitterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sendmail problems
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:12:48 +0100
Hi
I got it fixed, thanks. :)
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From: Chris Gordon-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing KDE 2.1 RPMs must be easier than this
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:53:20 +0000
Fester wrote:
> I saw Chris Gordon-Smith rant about the following:
> >I am trying to install KDE 2.1 onto my Mandrake 7.2 system (which
> >currently includes KDE 2.0).
> >
> >I am installing from a CD with binary RPMs. I've tried using GnoRPM,
> >KPackage and RPMDrake. Whatever I do I get dependency problems and
> >conflicts. I feel as though it should be much easier than this.
> >
> >Can anyone help?
>
> There's a specific order that you have to install them in.
>
> 1. Qt Libraries
> 2. KDESupport
> 3. KDELibs
> 4. All other KDE packages
>
> If that fails, I've found that the only failsafe method is to remove any
> previous version of KDE and Qt entirely, and install the 2.1 rpms from
> scratch.
>
Thanks for this. I have been attempting to install in the order you
mention, but I get stuck at KDELibs with the message
"kdelibs is needed by kdelibs-sound-2.0-5 mdk" (plus another similar one)
I assume that what is happening is that rpm has detected that I am removing
kdelibs 2.0 and thinks that this will cause a problem for kdelibs-sound.
I am tempted to force the installation on the basis that:-
* kdelibs 2.1 may be OK for kdelibs-sound-2.0
* I am going to upgrade kdelibs-sound anyway.
However, I think this is potentially risky, so I'll take the route you
suggest: Uninstall the lot and then install the new version.
I must say I think this is a weak point for KDE / Linux. Installation
should be far more straightforward if this (excellent) product is going to
have mass appeal.
Chris Gordon-Smith
London UK
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MGA400 + DRI in XFree 4
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:00:26 GMT
Alex Fitterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Alex Fitterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> is anyone using MGA400 with DRI support ?
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Many people.
> Are you many people ???? grxmbfx
>> Adam
> :)
I'm certainly among them.
Adam
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From: Young4ert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Libtools vs. ldconfig and scripts
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:18:28 GMT
Hi,
I have noticed that libraries created utilizing the GNU libtools will
include a libNAME.la file that contains the list of shared library names.
So, one may find "library_names='libname.so.x.y.z libname.so.x libname.so'"
contained in a libname.la file. If you noticed that the last field
contains "libname.so" without the version. This is fine except the
"ldconfig" will only automatically generate the linked file named
libname.so.x and not libname.so. So, when a program is trying to link with
the libname.so, it complains that the library does not exist. This can be
remedy by manually creating a symlink to generate the libname.so. I am
wondering if there is a way to tell the ldconfig to automatically generate
libname.so symlink file? I tried to do this with the following script:
#!/bin/sh
for ff in `find /opt/kde2/lib -name "lib*.la" -print`
do
ln -sf `grep library_names ${ff} | cut -d"'" -f 2 | awk ' { print $1 " "
$3 }'`
done
The above script only works if the "library_names" line contains only three
fields. So far, it works. However, I would like to know if there is a
better way to do it so that the script will not depend on how many fields
contained in the "library_names".
I will appreciate if you could lend a hand in this matter. TIA.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Schaumann)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: lyx and latex (was:: Best E-mail Client?)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:37:04 GMT
* Garglemonster wrote:
> >>>>> "Christian" == Christian Garms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Christian> If you use LyX (graphical WYSIWIG frontend for LaTeX),
> Christian> the learning curve isn't that steep. My recommendation:
> Christian> Try LyX, and then switch to LaTex (if you want).
>
>
> i dunno... everyone says this, but i still find lyx _more_ difficult
> than plain old latex. i don't think latex is that difficult,
> especially if you've done some web pages or programming.
Agreed. However, I feel that LyX is an excellent way to start with
LaTeX: first you free your mind from the "highlight this, click bold,
don't like it, highlight again, click greater fontsize, hit space 50
times" by using the various styles.
Once you're accustomed to LyX, the mvoe to LaTeX is easy - I used to do
most of my writing (the little bit I do) with LyX, but then I realized
it sucks that I can't have remote access without exporting X, and I
started looking into LaTeX.
Having done a fair amount of HTML, I realized how easy it is to use
LaTeX, and I'd encourage /everybody/ who has to write moer than the
occasional letter (well, actually, even for that LaTeX is better) to use
LaTeX.
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
If you write something wrong enough, I'll be glad to make up a new
witticism just for you. -- Larry Wall
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From: Chris Gordon-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing KDE 2.1 RPMs must be easier than this
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:10:34 +0000
Chris Gordon-Smith wrote:
> Fester wrote:
>
>> I saw Chris Gordon-Smith rant about the following:
>> >I am trying to install KDE 2.1 onto my Mandrake 7.2 system (which
>> >currently includes KDE 2.0).
>> >
>> >I am installing from a CD with binary RPMs. I've tried using GnoRPM,
>> >KPackage and RPMDrake. Whatever I do I get dependency problems and
>> >conflicts. I feel as though it should be much easier than this.
>> >
>> >Can anyone help?
>>
>> There's a specific order that you have to install them in.
>>
>> 1. Qt Libraries
>> 2. KDESupport
>> 3. KDELibs
>> 4. All other KDE packages
>>
>> If that fails, I've found that the only failsafe method is to remove any
>> previous version of KDE and Qt entirely, and install the 2.1 rpms from
>> scratch.
>>
>
> Thanks for this. I have been attempting to install in the order you
> mention, but I get stuck at KDELibs with the message
>
> "kdelibs is needed by kdelibs-sound-2.0-5 mdk" (plus another similar one)
>
> I assume that what is happening is that rpm has detected that I am
> removing kdelibs 2.0 and thinks that this will cause a problem for
> kdelibs-sound.
>
> I am tempted to force the installation on the basis that:-
>
> * kdelibs 2.1 may be OK for kdelibs-sound-2.0
> * I am going to upgrade kdelibs-sound anyway.
>
> However, I think this is potentially risky, so I'll take the route you
> suggest: Uninstall the lot and then install the new version.
>
> I must say I think this is a weak point for KDE / Linux. Installation
> should be far more straightforward if this (excellent) product is going to
> have mass appeal.
>
> Chris Gordon-Smith
> London UK
>
>
>
I've now done this. I had to override a message saying 'kedutils requires
apmd'. I'll need to investigate this, but the KDE 2.1 basics are working
fine.
Chris Gordon-Smith
London UK
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