Linux-Misc Digest #799, Volume #27 Mon, 7 May 01 00:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: bind 9.1.0-10 problem timing out (Sak Wathanasin)
Re: Lost task bar at bottom of Gnome desktop ("Will Cardwell")
Re: not enough RAM during RH 7.1 install (Johan Kullstam)
Re: CD writer access (long post) (Dances With Crows)
GNOME RPMs (bidalah)
Re: Lexmark Z52 printer woes! (Dave Uhring)
[linux.redhat.misc] Print problems w/ RH 7.1 and Star Office 5.2 (Chuck Mattern)
Re: question about mail (Bob Chan)
Re: Loading modules (Phil Helms)
Re: Good linux mail client ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Good linux mail client ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: GNOME RPMs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: not enough RAM during RH 7.1 install ("Waldermar")
Re: not enough RAM during RH 7.1 install ("Waldermar")
Re: not enough RAM during RH 7.1 install ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
keymap problem (Stephen Hui)
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From: Sak Wathanasin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bind 9.1.0-10 problem timing out
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 23:48:17 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Shore Linux Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am running RedHat 7.1 and I can't seem to get bind/named running
> properly. Each time I try to start it (/etc/rc.d/init.d/named start) it
> says that iit is starting ok however it apparently immediately times
> out. Prior to running 7.1 I ran 6.2 and I had bind v8 running fine. My
Check /var/log/messages: chances are that it doesn't like something
about your zone files. There are big changes between 8 & 9. The most
likely cause is a missing TTL. Read the "migration" docs in
/usr/share/doc/bind-xxxx.
--
Sak Wathanasin
Network Analysis Limited
178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry CV3 6BX, UK
Phone: (+44) 24 76 419996 Fax: (+44) 24 76 690690
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From: "Will Cardwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lost task bar at bottom of Gnome desktop
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 01:27:31 GMT
Wayne, this was exactly what I needed! I have recovered what I need and
learned about panels from your good reply.
Thank you so much!
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Subject: Re: not enough RAM during RH 7.1 install
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 01:48:13 GMT
Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Waldermar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm trying to set up RedHat 7.1 on a 486x16M machine.
> >Guess what - 7.1 wants more RAM (32???) and fails to install.
> >I know, memory is cheap, etc., but the question is can I make
> >it work with 16? Anyone bypassed it somehow?
> >
> >Thanks for any info,
>
> Ten years ago running X in 16Mb was _painful_. 20Mb or better
> yet 32Mb made it reasonable (or, what was reasonable when a
> 486DX66 was about as good as it got without a second mortgage to
> do better). I doubt in the years since that X or anything else
> has gotten smaller.
i remember running X on sparcstation2 with 8MB of RAM. that sucked.
X took all 8MB and left no room for any application.
> Personally though, I would NOT buy more memory for a 486Mb, but
> instead would go look for a pentium motherboard. Pentium boards
> that are several times faster than a 486 cost peanuts...
yes, but pentium boards are probably needing EDO RAM. that's not as
cheap or available anymore. so it's hopping from one obsolete system
to one only slightly less obsolete.
either stick with what you have or go buy something reasonably new.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: CD writer access (long post)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 07 May 2001 02:00:59 GMT
On Sun, 06 May 2001 20:39:58 +0100, Gavin McCord staggered into the
Black Sun and said:
>I've having fun with my Mitsumi CR-4804TE cd-writer. I can burn and
>read CDs no problem. As root. When it comes to doing this as an
>ordinary user, it's another story.
>
>I use kernel 2.4.3 and kmod. I burn CDs as root and am not bothered
>about ordinary users using the writing capability. But I would like to
>be able to play audio CDs and mount data ones without having to be
>root.
>
>Support for the cd-writer is not compiled into the kernel, but as
>modules:
>
>ide-cd, ide-scsi, sr_mod, sg, scsi_mod
>
>/etc/modules.conf
>-----------------
>alias scd0 sr_mod
You mean "alias block-major-11 sr_mod".
>alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi
>pre-install sg modprobe -k ide-scsi
>pre-install sr_mod modprobe -k ide-scsi
>pre-install ide-scsi modprobe -k ide-cd
^^^^^^
Why? You do not need IDE-CD support at all if you have ide-scsi going.
Try taking that line out.
>options ide-cd ignore=hdc
>
>/etc/fstab
>----------
>/dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,noauto,user 0 0
>
>In addition, I've changed the permissions on the /dev/scd*, /dev/sg*,
>/dev/sr* so that access is available, as this seems to be something to
>do with permissions.
So what are their permissions? /dev/scd* should probably be 644, since
that interface is read-only in the general case. /dev/sg* should be 644
as well, and you should "chmod 4755 `which cdrecord` " since it's a bad
idea to do things as root when you can do them as a normal user.
>So, when I try to access the cd device I get the following
>error messages:
>
>/var/log/syslog
>---------------
>/lib/modules/2.4.3/kernel/drivers/scsi/scsi_mod.o: pre-install sr_mod
>failed
>/lib/modules/2.4.3/kernel/drivers/scsi/scsi_mod.o: insmod block-major-11
>failed
Hmm. What are the permissions on /sbin/insmod ? They should be 755;
insmod does a check on the calling process's EUID and makes sure that
the caller has the right privileges.
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From: bidalah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: GNOME RPMs
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 02:04:14 GMT
A simple question, but with a difficult answer:
What are the packages that need to be installed in order to use GNOME?
And I don't mean the the actual dependencies. I know you can get those just by
typing "rpm -qRp gnome*.rpm". The problem with this approach is that many of
the dependencies listed
are located in rpm's that have completed different names! No matter where I
look I cannot find a simle list of
exactly which rpm's I need to install to put GNOME and all of its necessary
dependencies on my system.
Does anyone know?
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From: Dave Uhring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lexmark Z52 printer woes!
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 21:11:57 -0500
holcomb wrote:
>
> Ron Le Blanc wrote:
>>
>> Lexmark Z52 printer woes!
>>
>> I have Redhat 7.1 installed. Yes, 7.1, off "official" Redhat CDs.
>>
>> Redhat uses LPRng-3.7.4-22 version of the printer drives. The
>> printer configuration tool only lists the Z11 and Z32 printers.
>> I tried using the Z32 driver, nada.
>>
>> I then installed the IBM Lexmark printer driver for the Z52, that
>> is, cjlx52le.tar.gz as per the included instructions.
>>
>> Here is the printcap created:
>>
>> # /etc/printcap
>> #
>> # DO NOT EDIT! MANUAL CHANGES WILL BE LOST!
>> # This file is autogenerated by printconf-backend during lpd init.
>> #
>> # Hand edited changes can be put in /etc/printcap.local, and will be
>> included.
>>
>>
>
lexmarkz52::sh::ml=0::mx=0::sd=/var/spool/lpd/lexmarkz52::lp=/dev/lp0::lpd_bounce=true::if=/usr/share/printconf/mf_wrapper:
>>
>>
>
###############################################################################
>> ## Everything below here is included verbatim from
>> /etc/printcap.local ##
>>
>
###############################################################################
>> # printcap.local
>> #
>> # This file is included by printconf's generated printcap,
>> # and can be used to specify custom hand edited printers.
>>
>> As you can see the correct :lp device is selected, but I still get no
>> output.
>>
>> I have tried lpr <filename> and lpr -Plexmarkz52 <filename> and still
>> the
>> printer sits there fat, dumb, and apparently happy, but no printout.
>>
>> Has anyone gotten a Lexmark z52 to work with either Redhat 7.0 or 7.1?
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>> Thanks!
>
> I do not know how much help I can be but I am willing to work with you.
> I have RedHat 7.1 which I downloaded from the RedHat FTP. I bought a Z52
> this weekend because I like Lexmark printers (I already own an
> unsupported in Linux Z42) and I wanted to print in Linux. I installed
> the Z52 driver from Lexmark and nothing would print. I decided to try
> rebooting. During the boot process a bunch of Windbond parrallel port
> configuration stuff showed up for the first time and printing worked. In
> the readme file that comes with the driver it shows how to make a small
> modification for USB operation, but I have not tried it. Here is my
> printcap, if it may help.
>
> ##PRINTTOOL3## LOCAL
> lexmarkz52: :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lexmarkz52: :mx#0: :sh:
> :lp=/dev/lp0: :if=/usr/local/lexmark/z52/z52.sh:
> ##PRINTTOOL3## LOCAL
> z52-outfiles: :sd=/var/spool/lpd/z52-outfiles: :mx#0: :sh:
> :lp=/dev/lp0:
> ##PRINTTOOL3## LOCAL
> lp: :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp: :mx#0: :sh: :lp=/dev/lp0:
> :if=/usr/local/lexmark/z52/z52.sh:
>
>
> Let me know if I can help. JH
>
> --
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>
http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=328553
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Subject: [linux.redhat.misc] Print problems w/ RH 7.1 and Star Office 5.2
From: Chuck Mattern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 02:38:55 GMT
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I recently upgraded a RH 7.0 machine with a correclty functioning Star
Office 5.2 installation and a DJ682c printer to RH 7.1. Today I tried
for the first time to print from SO and the print came out in a very
small fixed font with light blue-green ghosting slightly offset to the
black letters, in some cases the ghosting was there but not the black
at all. I tried changing to an older driver (cdj550 instead of
cdj670) with printtool and also tried changing the font within SO to
courier, the printer output remained the same. I can print ascii text
and the RH printtool postscript test page with no trouble. Has anyone
else encountered this? Any suggestions for a fix?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Chan)
Subject: Re: question about mail
Date: 7 May 2001 12:55:32 +1000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Repo wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bob Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
>> when i use mutt i can get it to send mail but it doesn't seem to recieve
>> any mail. does this mean that my sendmail isn't configured properly? can
>> sendmail actually receive messages too, as opposed to sending them?
>> thanks,
>> Bob
>
> Bob
>
> You can configure fetchmail to retrieve the mail from your pop account
>
>
got fetchmail working! thankyou.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Helms)
Subject: Re: Loading modules
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 03:57:50 +0100
Actually, SuSE uses YAST/YAST2 to configure the sound card.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Good linux mail client
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 03:15:13 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Culley) writes:
> In article <9ci2em$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cochrane) writes:
> > In article <Jk4G6.182875$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cochrane) writes:
> >>> I've been having some trouble with Netscape's email client lately -
> >>> it may be time to find something that works better. Can anyone
> >>> recommend a good GUI-based email client that works well on a home
> >>> system with the email server on the other side of a ppp-connected
> >>> line?
> >>
> >>Hmm...
> >>
> >>Are you talking about the situation where you're pulling email in
> >>bits, on demand, from an IMAP server that sits on the other side?
> >
> > No.
> >>
> >>Or are you talking about pulling mail en masse from a POP server?
> >
> > Yes.
> >>
> >>If the latter, I'd commend EXMH. I've got a few hundred MB of mail
> >>archives on my machine [going back at least 8 years]; it's a
> >>reasonably robust repository for mail.
> >
> > Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check it out. Do you know if exmh can
> > filter emails into folders according to user-set criteria?
> Yes it can but your better using procmail for this. exmh is
> excellent. The O'Reilly book by Jerry Peek on mh is online and has a
> couple of chapters on exmh. Just point your browser at
> http://www.beedub.com/exmh/
Note that there's also a program called "Ifile" which collects
statistics on what has been previously filed into folders, and which
comes up with quite decent guesses as to where new email should be
filed. Specifically designed for use with MH/EXMH...
<http://www.ai.mit.edu/~jrennie/ifile/>
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in your artificial life research. -- Donald A. Smith
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Good linux mail client
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 03:15:15 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cochrane) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roy Culley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <9ci2em$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cochrane) writes:
> >> In article <Jk4G6.182875$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cochrane) writes:
> >>>> I've been having some trouble with Netscape's email client lately -
> >>>> it may be time to find something that works better. Can anyone
> >>>> recommend a good GUI-based email client that works well on a home
> >>>> system with the email server on the other side of a ppp-connected
> >>>> line?
> >>>
> >>>Hmm...
> >>>
> >>>Are you talking about the situation where you're pulling email in
> >>>bits, on demand, from an IMAP server that sits on the other side?
> >>
> >> No.
> >>>
> >>>Or are you talking about pulling mail en masse from a POP server?
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>>
> >>>If the latter, I'd commend EXMH. I've got a few hundred MB of mail
> >>>archives on my machine [going back at least 8 years]; it's a
> >>>reasonably robust repository for mail.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check it out. Do you know if exmh can
> >> filter emails into folders according to user-set criteria?
> >
> >Yes it can but your better using procmail for this. exmh is excellent. The
> >O'Reilly book by Jerry Peek on mh is online and has a couple of chapters
> >on exmh. Just point your browser at http://www.beedub.com/exmh/
>
> Thanks for the link.
> Actually, I use procmail on my ISP's server to filter out spam; but
> can it be used in this context to place emails into "folders"
> according to filtering criteria in a way that will be recognized by
> POP email clients? Or - glancing at the procmail man page - it
> looks like I can run procmail on my machine to filter messages
> pulled in from the POP server. Is this the best way to do it? If
> so, I don't see many details about this in the procmail man page.
> Do you know of any web sites with info. about this or documents or
> man pages that explain about filtering into folders? (I suppose the
> mh man page would be one place to look.)
The "canonical" method for this is to set up a .maildelivery file, and
direct messages through /usr/lib/mh/slocal, to use the .maildelivery
rules.
For instance, here's an excerpt:
# Connection logs
Subject "Portfolio Valuation" | ? "/usr/lib/mh/rcvstore +StockStuff"
Subject "Connect Log" | ? "/usr/lib/mh/rcvstore +Logs"
# Family stuff...
>From "dmbrowne" | ? "/usr/lib/mh/rcvstore +Brownes/Dave"
>From "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" | ? "/usr/lib/mh/rcvstore +Brownes/Brad"
>From "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" | ? "/usr/lib/mh/rcvstore +Brownes/Dad"
>From "browne" | ? "/home/cbbrowne/bin/ifilter.family"
>From "Browne" | ? "/home/cbbrowne/bin/ifilter.family"
The crucial part here is the "rcvstore" lines; basic idea is that the
messages get filed into appropriate folders by piping them into the
command:
/usr/lib/mh/rcvstore +WhateverFolder
If you're using procmail, you'll have to open pipes to rcvstore rather
than using its native "folder support," because procmail folders are
_not_ MH folders.
Procmail provides more sophisticated filtering options than MH's
maildelivery file offers, but I've not found .maildelivery to be
_inadequate_.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: GNOME RPMs
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 03:21:09 GMT
bidalah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> A simple question, but with a difficult answer:
>
> What are the packages that need to be installed in order to use GNOME?
> And I don't mean the the actual dependencies. I know you can get
> those just by typing "rpm -qRp gnome*.rpm". The problem with this
> approach is that many of the dependencies listed are located in
> rpm's that have completed different names! No matter where I look I
> cannot find a simle list of exactly which rpm's I need to install to
> put GNOME and all of its necessary dependencies on my system. Does
> anyone know?
It varies from distribution to distribution, to some extent.
Furthermore, GNOME isn't a fixed application; it's a set of
applications and libraries, so that the set of dependancies depends on
which GNOME applications you plan to run.
You may want to look at the Ximian GNOME "Red Carpet" or "Installer"
application; it has an installer set up for several Linux
distributions, along with a dependancy list for the system you're
using. With that, you'd install a few RPMs first, to get the
Installer running, and can then use the Installer to pull whatever
other packages are needed.
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What is a free "gift"? Aren't all gifts free?
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From: "Waldermar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: not enough RAM during RH 7.1 install
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 03:32:33 GMT
">
> "> You're right , 32M requirement is bogus, for the services I run it
> takes
> "> less than 16M of RAM.
>
> I'm guessing that the installer wanted to use the spiffy X11 installer.
> I'd select 'text' mode -- this would probably use much less RAM.
>
You'd be surprised, I didn't even dream of X based install, I went
straight to text install and that's where it happened. I'd still be
interested
to know if there's any workarounds...
My install still works, it's a bare-bone system with an IDE disk/CD
drive without
any special hw, running in text mode only, so transplant-drives do
work.
Thanks,
Vlad.
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From: "Waldermar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: not enough RAM during RH 7.1 install
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 03:38:49 GMT
I _DO_NOT_WANT_ TO BUY any extra STUFF just to get basic firewall
with NAT working on a Linux box. What's the point? I somehow
managed to install it and the services I run barely take 12M,
where this 32M requirement comes from?
Just wondering...
--V.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Johan Kullstam"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> "Waldermar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >I'm trying to set up RedHat 7.1 on a 486x16M machine. Guess what - 7.1
>> >wants more RAM (32???) and fails to install. I know, memory is cheap,
>> >etc., but the question is can I make it work with 16? Anyone bypassed
>> >it somehow?
>> >
>> >Thanks for any info,
>>
>> Ten years ago running X in 16Mb was _painful_. 20Mb or better yet 32Mb
>> made it reasonable (or, what was reasonable when a
>> 486DX66 was about as good as it got without a second mortgage to
>> do better). I doubt in the years since that X or anything else has
>> gotten smaller.
>
> i remember running X on sparcstation2 with 8MB of RAM. that sucked. X
> took all 8MB and left no room for any application.
>
>> Personally though, I would NOT buy more memory for a 486Mb, but instead
>> would go look for a pentium motherboard. Pentium boards that are
>> several times faster than a 486 cost peanuts...
>
> yes, but pentium boards are probably needing EDO RAM. that's not as
> cheap or available anymore. so it's hopping from one obsolete system to
> one only slightly less obsolete.
>
> either stick with what you have or go buy something reasonably new.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: not enough RAM during RH 7.1 install
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 04:03:17 GMT
"Waldermar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I _DO_NOT_WANT_ TO BUY any extra STUFF just to get basic firewall
> with NAT working on a Linux box. What's the point? I somehow managed
> to install it and the services I run barely take 12M, where this 32M
> requirement comes from?
> Just wondering...
It likely comes from the fact that few PCs are being sold anymore with
less than 128MB of RAM. And RHAT is _not_ mainly in the business of
selling distributions to people planning to run Linux on spectacularly
obsolete equipment. They're trying to sell to, for instance:
-> People wanting to run GNOME on the desktop,
-> People building web servers that integrate with Oracle.
No insult intended, but your plan to run a firewall on hardware of the
mid '90s just doesn't fit into RHAT's business plan. You're not a
market for them, not even a photon.
There certainly _are_ distributions suited for building firewalls on
hardware of ancient provenance; you just have to make sure you're
comfortable with going down a road that is not spelled "Red Hat," or,
for that matter "Commercial Support."
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just another photon in the rainbow."
-- Monty Brandenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Stephen Hui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: keymap problem
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 03:53:35 GMT
Hi,
I'm searching the c.o.l.m. archives, but haven't found anything yet...
Anyway, none of the control-key sequences (Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, etc.) are
working in either bash (version 2.05) or in X. The Ctrl key does
absolutely nothing; if I hit Ctrl-C, it types 'c'. I was wondering if
anyone knows how to fix this.
Thanks,
Stephen.
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