Linux-Misc Digest #862, Volume #27 Tue, 15 May 01 02:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Catch-22 on Red Hat 7.0+update rpms install ("Anthony DeRobertis")
Re: Catch-22 on Red Hat 7.0+update rpms install ("Anthony DeRobertis")
Re: latex -> PDF. How to do it properly? (Stephen Harker)
Re: improper /boot/System.map when installing new kernel ("Ted Pavlic")
Re: memory and swaps. ("Joel")
add new user , loose Word Perfect license number ("tvn1981")
Re: Linux X goes away??? (Ya!Right!)
Re: My Linux Experience (Robert Heller)
Re: Very slow KDE apps (Professor J Frink)
Re: GNOME RPMs (steve)
Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM (Shao Zhang)
running kde programs in gnome? (Chris Cera)
Re: KDE WM: no virtual desktop? (Grant Edwards)
Re: KDE WM: no virtual desktop? (Grant Edwards)
Re: KDE WM: no virtual desktop? (Grant Edwards)
Datachute-PCI Slimscsi 1480 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Anthony DeRobertis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Catch-22 on Red Hat 7.0+update rpms install
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:10:49 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Haynes"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Network required, and a good one at that. Here on ADSL at 40-70K/s it
> took me 2.5hrs on Friday afternoon to do this. (And not from
> updates.redhat.com, either, but from our colo on a jolly nice link.)
*shrug* Guess I'm spoiled from doing it over T1. Not so painful at
300+K/sec.
>
> Oh, and you'll totally trample on your kernel if you do this.
Yes, you'll have to do a mkinitrd, lilo, and whatnot. I guess I forgot
this since I don't use RPM to mange my kernels.
> And RPM
> itself won't thank you.
I've never had problems of that sort, even going from RPM 3->4.
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From: "Anthony DeRobertis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Catch-22 on Red Hat 7.0+update rpms install
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:11:57 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Haynes"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why is this flamebait?
Because it won't run on the OP's system?
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Subject: Re: latex -> PDF. How to do it properly?
From: Stephen Harker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 15 May 2001 13:12:51 +1000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Professor J Frink) writes:
> > Professor> Various theses and such, written in LaTeX. We want to
> > Professor> get the output from these into PDF format for
> > Professor> distributing to various people.
> [...]
> I have recently (following the advice given here) tried using the dvips
> -Ppdf solution along with ps2pdf13 and gs 6.50. I'd tried this before but on
> gs 5.50 it made no difference. On 6.50 the fonts come through fine as far
> as we can see and everything seems hunky dory. No bookmarks or hyperlinks
> but that's something for people *starting* their thesis to get right from
> the beginning.
Hyperlinks and the like can be added using the hyperref package. For
example using the following.
\usepackage[dvips,plainpages=false]{hyperref}
This worked reasonably for me on an old thesis.
Some useful information is available in the document
http://ftp.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/info/webguide/webguide.pdf (or from
your favourite CTAN mirror).
--
Stephen Harker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
School of Physics Baloney Baffles brains: Eric Frank Russell
University College http://www.adfa.edu.au/physics/s-harker/
UNSW, ADFA
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From: "Ted Pavlic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: osu.sys.linux
Subject: Re: improper /boot/System.map when installing new kernel
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:18:03 -0400
Doug,
> I have executed the following steps:
> cd /usr/src/linux
> make xconfig
> make dep
> make clean
> make bzdisk
> cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-tape
Have you considering doing a "make install" instead of this copy? System.map
is generated after kernel compilation. It should autmoatically dump the
kernel in /boot and run lilo (you may need to modify lilo manually as the
kernel name may not be the same in /boot as it is in /etc/lilo.conf). It
will also generate and copy the System.map into /boot (along with any other
needed /boot files).
> make modules
> make modules_install
"make install" is much like "make modules_install", but it's for the kernel
and not for modules, obviuosly. :)
> depmod -a 2.2.16
> mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.2.16-tape.img 2.2.16-tape
> emacs /etc/lilo.conf
> lilo
I hope that helps out. My kernel compilations usually go something like
this:
cd /usr/src/linux
# I'm just not an X person :)
make menuconfig
# I like to chain these together because I like walking away
# and lettings things run
make dep &&
make clean &&
make bzImage &&
make install &&
make modules &&
make modules_install
# I'm just not an emacs person :)
vi /etc/lilo.conf
lilo
All the best --
Ted
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From: "Joel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: memory and swaps.
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:12:41 -0500
Thanks Norm, I did a little research just now, and I did not know how the
memory was managed. I misunderstood how a swap works. Thanks for your
info.
-Joel
"Norm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Joel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9dnirk$si2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi. I was wondering if there is a way to have certain processes (such
as
> > the automount service, and some others) to use only the virtual memory,
> > instead of using the physicle memory. I only have 32 megs of ram and
it's
> > always completely used up, so then the programs I load later have to use
the
> > swap drive, and they run slower. I want the X windows system to run on
the
> > physicle memory, and the servers (that aren't used much) such as telnet,
> > ftp, automount, etc. to be loaded in the swap. Do you understand what
I'm
> > saying? If there is such a way to specify what memory and program
should
> > use, I'd like to know. BTW, I'm using RedHat 7.1.
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> First, the CPU has to execute the code and read the data out of the
> physical RAM, so if Linux could try hard to swap a "low-priority"
> process out to disk I think it would result in excessive, maybe
> constant disk usage.
>
> Anyway, I think your concept of what is happening is backwards. When
> you start X after starting other programs, the other programs are
> moved out to swap if room is needed for X. The other programs may be
> loaded at lower virtual addresses, but the higher virtual addresses
> where X is loaded afterwards will be the ones in RAM.
>
> The swapping is occurring because either the first-loaded programs are
> actually being executed by the CPU (and again, have to be pulled into
> RAM - which means the Xwindows stuff has to be swapped out, and in
> again when X is used) or because X needs to swap some of itself or
> executing X applications to have enough room.
> --
> Norm (Supernews inserting their name in the "Organization" header does
> not indicate any endorsement of their service by myself)
>
>
>
>
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From: "tvn1981" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: add new user , loose Word Perfect license number
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:22:26 -0400
Hi ,
I add new user to my computer and want to run WP Personal Edition on it ,
but it requires to input the license number (which I no longer have).
How can I restore this license # other than re-register
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From: Ya!Right! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux X goes away???
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.x,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:43:54 -0700
Why do you have to re-install?
IF you want to re-install anytime something happens you should stick to
MickeySoft Winblows!
What does your '/var/log/XFree86.0.log' say?
This should be the first place to look when an error occurs!
Let me know!
Cheers,
JT wrote:
> Running RH7.0. I never can be assured if Linux is going to come up in X.
> Sometimes it does and somethings its just a blank black screen. When it
> doesn't I have to re-install the who OS over again. Running Matrox
> Millenium G200 8mgs ram.
>
> What confuses me, why would it work sometimes and sometimes not?
>
> Confused and looking for answers.
>
> Thanks for your help.
> JT
>
>
>
>
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My Linux Experience
Date: 15 May 2001 03:51:59 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve),
In a message on 14 May 2001 23:16:15 GMT, wrote :
S> I ended up getting rid of the Epson Colour Stylus because I
S> couldn't get it to work, and the replacement doesn't work all
S> that well either. I wanted to print from Star Office, but I
S> can't get it to recognize the ports so ended up just printing
S> through gv, and saving the doc files that I create in ps format.
*I* have no problems with the Epson Colour Stylus 600 I bought from my
mom. Set up a ghostscript filter with the uniprint driver. I in fact
have two print queues: color (1440x720DpI) and fastcolor (720x720DpI).
(RH 5.2, GS 5.10 (1998-12-17))
I don't use Star Office -- I use LaTeX and things work just fine.
S>
S> I've never had any problems with my modem or with apache, and now
S> wouldn't swap Linux for anything. I've never had this machine as
S> dual boot, I just got rid of windows and formatted the drive (with
S> all my data on a seperate drive), installed Linux and never looked
S> back, that was about two years ago now.
S>
S> --
S> Cheers
S> Steve email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
S>
S> %HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
S>
S> web http://www.zeropps.uklinux.net/
S>
S> or http://start.at/zero-pps
S>
S> 11:16pm up 102 days, 4 min, 2 users, load average: 1.22, 1.13, 1.04
S>
--
\/
Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Professor J Frink)
Subject: Re: Very slow KDE apps
Date: 15 May 2001 00:27:35 GMT
>> Professor J Frink wrote:
>
>Frink, aka FUDboy:
>P166 Sony VAIO with 64MB... Konqueror in 15secs.
>1GHz Athlon with 512MB... Konqueror immediately.
>Go enjoy your WinXX and monthy pay-per-uses.
Nice to see rampant idiocy at work.
I do not use Windows. I do not own Windows. I try my best to provide a Linux
based network for my research group using OSS where possible and the minute
you level a fact based criticism against the Linux "flagship" you're greeted
with cries of "FUD" and whines of Windows loving. Believe it or not (and
this seems to be a big thing for most Linux users to understand) just
because somebody finds fault in a Linux application it does not
automatically and without any proof or evidence mean they have used nothing
but Windows and MS DOS their entire life and are being paid by the hour by
Gill Gates personally to spread propoganda.
I don't love windows. I love my IceWM desktop thank you. I used to like my
KDE1 desktop before I got fed up of the resource usage.
I reiterate this is not a single case, KDE themselves are aware of it and
are taking steps to ramp up the peformance of KDE2, 24% of KDE2 users state
speed as the biggest thing they want improving and playing Heads In The Sand
doesn't do *anybody* any good.
Just think of the state Linux and KDE would be in right now if nobody had
ever criticised any of it.
Frink (grow up for god's sake)
--
'Professor' J Frink
Ringtail to the Stars & Professional Mossbauer Guru
shrike at liv dot ack dot ook
"Ohhh, let me bash him just once!!" - Monkey!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve)
Subject: Re: GNOME RPMs
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:55:48 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Rose):
>| steve wrote:
>| > >| A simple answer: Install Ximian GNOME :-)
>| > >| http://www.ximian.com/
>| >
>| > I wouldn't at this point recommend Ximian to anyone. Have you seen the
>| > supported distro list?
>|
>| Yes. What's wrong with it?
>|
>| * Red Hat Linux 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 7.0, and 7.1
>| * SuSE 6.3, 6.4 and 7.0 on x86
>| * Mandrake 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2
>| * Debian GNU/Linux (Potato) on x86
>| * LinuxPPC 2000
>| * TurboLinux 6.0
>| * Yellow Dog Linux Champion Server 1.2
Wasn't that large a few weeks ago...
Still, it won't install on any distro running XFce as of last week.
>| That covers *a lot* of the commonly used distros.
>|
>|
>| > Also the installer asks one to do some strange things, like de-install
>| > XFce before the install process can proceed.
>| > There couldn't possibly be any legit reason for this as XFce doesn't use
>| > any Gnome libs or interfere with Gnome in any way.
>|
>| Are you sure about this? Are you sure there are even no file conflicts?
>| Are you sure your rpm database is healthy? Have you bug reported it?
>
Yes I'm sure. =) They know, and I'm troubled that they would do
something like this, it seems suspicious after the Google fiasco.
>|
>| > As far as I'm concerned Ximian with the google debacle, and now this, is
>| > not a company I'd want open source to be associated with.
>| >
>| > FWIW, I went to SuSE's ftp site and downloaded their rpms.
>|
>| Wooha, that's funny, as SuSE is one of the companies I don't want free
>| software associated with (see yast licensing and the constant iso
>| delaying etc; all to "protect" their customers)
Well at least they have Gnome rpms which I can't seem to find on the
gnome site. <shrug>
--
Steve - Toronto ICQ 35454764
Powered by GNU/Linux
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From: Shao Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
gnu.emacs.help,alt.religions.vim,alt.religion.emacs,fj.editor.vi,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:38:47 +1000
3FE wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:29:27 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> insisted:
> I like vim. I started using it on a suse box recently. I tried
> implementing colorization on my debian (potato) laptop and it doesn't
> work. Is this a new feature? debian generally holds itself to older
> versions, but no colorization?
>
> (0) eachep keeling /home/keeling_ dpkg -l | grep vim
> ii vim 5.6.070-1 Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor
>
> Who needs drag and drop? I've got X Window cut and paste.
apt-get install vim-rt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Cera)
Subject: running kde programs in gnome?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 05:11:53 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is this possible? I've compiled the support, libs, and base
packages but I still can't compile a kde application. Am I doing
something wrong, ie. can't run kde apps in gnome? Thanks.
I'm really just interested in a .mov player for linux, the best
candidate so far has been this kde app. Any other suggestions are
appreciated, thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: KDE WM: no virtual desktop?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 05:12:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Professor J Frink wrote:
>>>For the first thing, you want a virtual screen larger than your
>>>physical display. This isn't specific to KDE and is configured in
>>>/etc/XF86Config.
>>
>>That's not what I was asking about. Most window managers (at
>>least for the past 10 years or so) support a virtual desktop
>>size that is independant of the X11 virtual screen size.
>
>Care to name some? I haven't seen this in fvwm1/2,
Oh, for Pete's sake, the "v" in fvwm _stands_ for virtual:
FVWM(2.xx) FVWM(2.xx)
NAME
fvwm2 - F(?) Virtual Window Manager (version 2.xx) for X11
SYNOPSIS
fvwm [ options ]
DESCRIPTION
Fvwm is a window manager for X11. It is a derivative of twm,
redesigned to minimize memory consumption, provide a 3-D look to
window frames, and pro� vide a simple virtual desktop. Version 2.xx
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
uses only slightly more memory than 1.xx, mostly due to some global
options being able to be window spe� cific now.
Fvwm provides both a large virtual desktop and multiple disjoint
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
desktops which can be used separately or together. The virtual
desktop allows you to
>twm, kde1/2, afterstep, icewm, olvwm or a whole host of wms I haven't used
>for years. What exactly are meaning by "virtual desktop" here?
I'd bet that the "v" in olvwm stands for "virtual", and I'd be surprised if
the others you mentioned don't provide virtual desktops as well (except
perhaps for twm -- I don't remember if it had a virtual desktop).
>I could have missed something of course.
Could be.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I'll take ROAST BEEF
at if you're out of LAMB!!
visi.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: KDE WM: no virtual desktop?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 05:15:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Professor J Frink wrote:
>>>Although I have no love for KDE it isn't this primitive. You
>>>can have virtual desktops larger than your physical resolution,
>>>that's X's job.
>>
>>No, it's the WM's job. There seems to be some confusion
>>between the X server's virtual screen size and the WM's virtual
>>destop size. I was asking about the latter. Somebody has
>>already pointed me to the place where the WM desktop size is
>>configured. In other WM's with which I'm familiar it's usually
>>an integral multiple of the X server's virtual screen size.
>
>>That's the part I couldn't figure out when I was asked -- none
>>of the mouse button combinations I tried allowed a window to be
>>moved off the sreen. If it's definitely possible then I'll
>>tell them it's possible, but they're going to have to figure
>>out how to do it.
>
>What do you mean by "offscreen"? Here I am in KDE (just for you ;) and I can
>move windows off screen. The old trick is moving them off the top of the
>screen, but click right button on the window border and you can choose
>"Move" the window is moveable to the limits of the pointer against the edges
>of the desktop.
>
>There is nothing in KDE that I can see that would stop someone moving a
>window offscreen to get at a particular part of it that is currently
>offscreen. Unless all window borders are off screen but there's even ways
>round that.
That sounds like what they needed to do. The user who was asking for help
knows little or nothing about Linux, and I just wanted to make sure that the
KDE WM would do what I told him to do.
>>I guess the other window managers I've used have been a bit
>>more intuitive for me.
>
>I still have no idea what you're on about with this WM virtual desktop size.
Most modern window-managers support a virtual desktop that is some multiple
of the physical screen size. Somebody said there's a spot in the KDE WM to
set that. (I know how to set it in fvwm[12], my usual WM.)
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Who wants some
at OYSTERS with SEN-SEN an'
visi.com COOL WHIP?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: KDE WM: no virtual desktop?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 05:21:09 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Professor J Frink wrote:
>>Enlightenment maybe but it's ages since I've used it).
>>
>>Frink (off to try a load of WMs to see which ones do this)
>
>[after trying virtually every WM that comes with SuSE 7.1]
>
>Ahhh, I think I get what you're on about now. Most WMs have multiple
>workspaces and there aren't any I've found that won't let you move a window
>'off screen' but you're talking about one giant *continuous* workspace with
>the screen as a single sized window onto it.
Exactly!
>Well, KDE doesn't do this.
Oh. I misunderstood the previous poster that pointed me towards a "desktop
size" tab somewhere.
>Neither do the majority of WMs I've just tried.
I wasn't aware it was an unusual feature -- I guess I just picked an odd
subset of window managers.
>In fact the only ones that do it like you say are fvwm (2/95 dunno about 1),
The original fvwm did also. I thought that more of the others did. I don't
know how people live without it unless they've got 25" monitors.
>KDE doesn't shine out as being bad by this standard at all, in fact the
>majority of WMs work contrary to what you expect in this regards but not
>*one* prevents you just dragging a window up/down/left/right outside the
>edges of the desktop.
KDE didn't intend to prevent them from doing it, but it seems to have done
so in practice since they couldn't figure out how to do it. :)
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! People humiliating
at a salami!
visi.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Datachute-PCI Slimscsi 1480
Date: 14 May 2001 21:50:22 -0700
I got linux to recongize my datachute-pci card adatper. When I insert my adaptec
Slimscsi card I get the following error.
initializing socket 0
unsupported card in socket 0
cs: no valid ROM images found!
That is weird because when I check the /etc/pcmcia/config file I see the device
listed
card "Adaptec APA-1480 SCSI Host Adapter"
manfid 0x012f, 0xcb01
bind "apa1480_cb"
There is a
apa1480_cb later on in the file
device "apa1480_cb"
class "scsi" module "cb_enabler", "apa1480_cb"
Is there a special .dat file that I need in
/etc/pcmcia/cis ?
At least linux did not reboot in a infinit boot loop like windows 2000
professional did. Folks said 2000 was stable, they are wrong. The first day I
installed it, I got a machine check, system info (without a network device)
locked up the machine.
info_man
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