Linux-Misc Digest #987, Volume #27 Wed, 30 May 01 18:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Weird problem - Eterm and rxvt use one minute to start up, xterm does not
(Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner)
Re: upgrading the kernel ("Crazydj")
Re: Can't see the windows I minimized on the panel! (Aranwen)
Re: The problem of a pager ("Peter T. Breuer")
CUPS and RH 7 (Robert Parnes)
Re: Help I must uninstall linux mandrake (Dave Uhring)
Re: upgrading the kernel (J Hayward)
Re: Editors to develop applications with KDE ("Ryan Twomey")
Cron problem - what's this message mean? (Dan Donaldson)
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers? (Floyd
Davidson)
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Re: linux ("Popeye")
Re: upgrading the kernel ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Help I must uninstall linux mandrake (Ian Northeast)
Login Problems on Red Hat 7.1 Install (Squirrel Police)
Re: Can't see the windows I minimized on the panel! (Lee Webb)
Re: palm m505 & USB & Linux ("Andre Renaud")
Re: Login Problems on Red Hat 7.1 Install (Michael Heiming)
Re: Linux on a computer on a PCI card in a computer? (Ian Northeast)
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From: Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Weird problem - Eterm and rxvt use one minute to start up, xterm does not
Date: 30 May 2001 20:16:44 GMT
Rune Jacobsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm having a weird problem. When I try to start an Eterm or an rxvt (without
> any special options) on my Linux box, weird things happen. It takes about a
> minute to start them up!
What does 'strace Eterm' or 'strace rxvt' show you? Particularly,
what does it show during that minute? The output can be a little hard to
understand, but sometimes there are obvious clues.
> Now, seeing that this is a dual PIII-550MHz box, you'd think opening up a
> shell window wouldn't be so tough. It works great for everything else.
You know, if you make the rest of us jealous, we won't want to
help you. :-)
JDW
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From: "Crazydj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: upgrading the kernel
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:25:46 +0200
Im Artikel <3b153d4a$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb "Christopher
Palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I installed Red Hat Linux release 7.0 on my Compaq i686. I am running
> kernel 2.2.16-22 and want to upgrade to kernel 2.2.19. When I login to
> the server, it shows "Kernel 2.2.16-22 on an i686".
>
First of all... Why do you want to install a kernel of the older series?
Why not choosing a new one like 2.4.3 or higher?
> Here are my questions:
>
> Do I download and install the i368 or the i686 version RPM for the
> kernel?
You should choose the i686 version cause it was build on and for your
processor architecture.
But why not choosing the sources in a taball?
> Also, there is an i686 version for the glibc package. Do I match this
> version to the kernel?
To upgrade to the new 2.4.x kernel you need to update your glibc...
> What are the reasons for choosing one over the other?
I would just choose the 2.4.x kernel in a tarball and compile it
yourself, cause the new one has closed some important security holes and
it's stable, too.
>
> Thanks for the help,
> -Christopher
>
>
>
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From: Aranwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't see the windows I minimized on the panel!
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:30:08 -0000
Well, click on the main menu of gnome, applets, and select the task applet.
-Lady Aranwen
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The problem of a pager
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:26:02 +0200
Collin E Borrlewyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've looked at the pagers that came with the system. KPager works, but you
> can't move maximized windows around, and you can't have a grid of desktops
Of course you can! How do you get that idea?
> (only a stack or a row) thus eating in on screen space. The little VWM-like
I think you can have a grid. Certainly all other window managers that I
know and use allow a grid. It would be strange if kpager were the
exception. Use another pager if it doesn't suit.
Yes, I've just checked. There's a "two row" option, at least.
> thing that I see in AfterStep, which I'm lead to understand LiteStep was
> based on, doesn't appear to allow dragging and dropping at all. Those are
> all I can find on-system. A search of groups.google.com reveals many
> discussions about pagers, but few are ever mentioned by name, and most
> discussions do not touch on this particular topic.
> This brings me to my question, after more than enough preamble: Where can I
> find a Linux program that gives me comparable functionality to that of
> LiteStep's LSVWM.DLL or SYSVWM.DLL.
No idea what they are! As far as I can tell from your description "all
of the window managers do that".
Peter
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From: Robert Parnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CUPS and RH 7
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:39:50 -0400
In trying to install the CUPS rpm in RH 7.0, I found a conflict with
LPRng, which itself is necessary for printtool and rhs-print filters.
Before proceeding to install these, I would like some confidence that
CUPS will do what I want.
I have a Brother 1270-N printer. My interest in CUPS is to be able to
choose between one of the trays and manual feed, so that I can print
envelopes. The documentation I have found does not state specifically
that one can do this. Does anyone know specifically whether such a
choice is an option? CUPS is a large package for such a specific
purpose, so is there an alternative? I believe I can work out a solution
if I kinow the escape sequences, but the Brother website does not offer
a list.
I am new to printing and reasonably new to Linux, so I don't know all
the possibilities. Thanks in advance.
--
Bob Parnes
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Dave Uhring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help I must uninstall linux mandrake
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:39:46 -0500
GreySoul wrote:
> On Wed, 30 May 2001 12:30:05 -0000, Gianky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>I have no win on my hd i have only linux i must cancel linux and linux
>>partition, create a new partition (normal hd c:) i don't know how i can do
>>to have a normal hd an how i can install win please HELP me replay to
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks
>
>
> Just use a DOS or Win 9x boot floppy that have the commands FDISK and
> FORMAT.
>
> Fdisk the partition according to your needs, and then format.
>
> Install Windows.
>
> --
> blase blah
>
>
That doesn't work. man fdisk
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From: J Hayward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: upgrading the kernel
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:40:47 -0700
Hello,
Christopher Palmer wrote:
> I installed Red Hat Linux release 7.0 on my Compaq i686.
> I am running kernel 2.2.16-22 and want to upgrade to kernel 2.2.19.
> When I login to the server, it shows "Kernel 2.2.16-22 on an i686".
>
> Here are my questions:
First if you have never upgraded your kernel rpms read this HOW-TO:
http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/howto/kernel-upgrade/index.html
>
> Do I download and install the i368 or the i686 version RPM for the kernel?
Yes, download the i686 kernel. The i686 kernel would have been installed by
default.
>
> Also, there is an i686 version for the glibc package. Do I match this
> version to the kernel?
Yes, when downloading updates if there are i686 versions available download
them.
>
> What are the reasons for choosing one over the other?
i686 rpms are "optimized" for use with your processor.
Regards,
Jim H
Red Hat Linux release 7.1 (Seawolf)
Kernel 2.4.2-SGI_XFS_1.0
uptime: 1:38pm up 28 days 1:42, 3 users, load average: 0.17, 0.13, 0.07
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From: "Ryan Twomey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Editors to develop applications with KDE
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:45:26 GMT
You might be interested in trying kdevelop. It has an interface
similar to VC++ for Windows. Though I personally prefer the kwrite
editor, some people seem to find the kdevelop enviornment quite nice.
http://www.kdevelop.org
-Ryan
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Artur Undebarrena"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I want to know which text editors are good to develop applications with
> linux and which is the web site to download.
>
> The KDE Text Editor is horrible for me because when I am writting if
> the text line is too long the editor cut the line in the middle. I want
> a text editor with horizontal scroll bar. And if is possible, with the
> same frame window it can have more than one files opened like Ultraedit
> for windows.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Artur.
>
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From: Dan Donaldson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cron problem - what's this message mean?
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:42:08 -0400
Running Redhat Linux 6.2 on i386, as a webserver with Apache PHP and
mySql.
Trying to deal with the problem of getting a cron event to trigger a php
script. crontab has this:
* * * * * lynx http://www.omivore.ca/somePage.php
The idea is to get lynx to load the php page to trigger the script.
Cron runs the event but reports
Your terminal lacks the ability to cler the screen or position the
cursor.
And so lynx never gets around to loading the page. What do I need to do?
dan
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Date: 30 May 2001 11:56:56 -0800
"Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I also don't like to subscribe and would like to read them as news but
>> since this isn't possible now I usually read through the mailinglists
>> archive. As long as I don't post answers this is fine.
>
>Well, this is kind of the point, I think - it's a matter of convenience
>for users. It woud be nice to be able to pop into a news server and post
>a comment or question without having to go through the subscription process.
>
>You can monitor the server for responses, then ignore it until you want to
>use it again, without having every single message that's posted clutter
>your inbox.
There is no need to "clutter your inbox" with *any* email that
can be uniquely indentified. Either a decent mail program that
sorts email before presentation (e.g., GNUS running under either
GNU Emacs or XEmacs) or a mail preprocessor (e.g., procmail)
can easily do the trick.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:57:52 GMT
On 30 May 2001 11:56:56 -0800, Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I also don't like to subscribe and would like to read them as news but
>>> since this isn't possible now I usually read through the mailinglists
>>> archive. As long as I don't post answers this is fine.
>>
>>Well, this is kind of the point, I think - it's a matter of convenience
>>for users. It woud be nice to be able to pop into a news server and post
>>a comment or question without having to go through the subscription process.
>>
>>You can monitor the server for responses, then ignore it until you want to
>>use it again, without having every single message that's posted clutter
>>your inbox.
>
>There is no need to "clutter your inbox" with *any* email that
>can be uniquely indentified. Either a decent mail program that
>sorts email before presentation (e.g., GNUS running under either
>GNU Emacs or XEmacs) or a mail preprocessor (e.g., procmail)
>can easily do the trick.
even netscape can do it
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From: "Popeye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:43:15 +0200
"Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:FESQ6.50856$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Actually I had a Slackware Linux 1.0 Cd that I evidently recently got rid
> of. It never supported my SCSI cd so never was installed. I dated myself
> but I agree with you entirely.
Try latest Slackware Linux distro, Slackware 7.1
> Linux the open system (as in free) is poised to replace Windows, if the
> Linux development community can improve on the simplicity of installation,
> improve the user interfaces, support Win based documents natively, and
port
> killer PC games on the average pc (i.e., 586, 64mb, 2.6mg). Otherwise it
> might slide into the background with OS/2, Unix and Solarius and that
would
> be a real shame.
>
Does Linux have to pretend to Gamer`s market at all??? Why dont we just
stick to building a good, stable, secure and flexible OS.
If you ask me, I dont see any use of games at all. Im using windows for DTP
and Web design, but Linux (or any kind of UNIX) is No.1 when it comes to
internet server and databases. Let Gates take care of kids, and Linux is
more programmer-oriented OS.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: upgrading the kernel
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:51:19 +0200
Crazydj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Im Artikel <3b153d4a$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb "Christopher
> Palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> To upgrade to the new 2.4.x kernel you need to update your glibc...
Completely incorrect. You can run your 2.4.* kernel with libc 4 if you
like. I run on libc 5.
>> What are the reasons for choosing one over the other?
> I would just choose the 2.4.x kernel in a tarball and compile it
> yourself, cause the new one has closed some important security holes and
> it's stable, too.
Well, I'm not sure I'd say that.
Peter
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From: Ian Northeast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help I must uninstall linux mandrake
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:10:36 +0100
Dave Uhring wrote:
>
> GreySoul wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 30 May 2001 12:30:05 -0000, Gianky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>I have no win on my hd i have only linux i must cancel linux and linux
> >>partition, create a new partition (normal hd c:) i don't know how i can do
> >>to have a normal hd an how i can install win please HELP me replay to
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks
> >
> >
> > Just use a DOS or Win 9x boot floppy that have the commands FDISK and
> > FORMAT.
> >
> > Fdisk the partition according to your needs, and then format.
> >
> > Install Windows.
> That doesn't work. man fdisk
It does if you don't have any Linux partitions inside an extended
partition doesn't it? Plus, if Windows is a relatively civilised version
that doesn't trash the MBR, i.e. NT or 2K, an fdisk /mbr is needed to
remove Lilo. I generally do this anyway.
I use a Tom's root/boot disk from http://www.toms.net/rb/home.html for
this sort of work.
What I would do here[1] is:
Boot Toms, fdisk /dev/hda and delete all partitions.
Boot a W98 floppy, fdisk, fdisk /mbr and format (accompanied by multiple
reboots).
Install Windows.
Regards, Ian
[1] Removing Linux and installing Windows is not generally the sort of
thing I would do, but I have had to assist others wanting to do this
occasionally.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Squirrel Police)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Login Problems on Red Hat 7.1 Install
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:11:21 GMT
Well, I've finally done it. On my main computer I
installed 256 additional megs of RAM and Red Hat 7.1
with the 2.4 Linux kernel. After a couple of days of
struggle, I was finally able to "see" my modem after
changing the PnP setting in my BIOS, so now I can dial
out to my ISP. And then I get stuck.
--> Modem initialized.
--> Sending: ATDT 225-8888
CONNECT 49333/ARQ/V90/LAPM/V42BIS
--> Carrier detected. Waiting for report.
Returning not ok!!
--> Disconnecting at Wed May 30 11:54:12 2001
This is the output from the wvdial command. Now what?
I've been reading my 7 Linux books, and checked
several more at the local bookstore. I've downloaded
the PPP Howto from the Linux Documentation Project and
studied it. I've checked the Red Hat Knowledge Base,
and signed up for the PPP mailing list. I've tried
getting tech support from my ISP. Next I'm going to
start hanging out on Usenet at comp.os.linux.setup.
Any suggestions?
Your friend and brother,
John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
P.S. I did all of this with the command line about
three years ago with Red Hat 5.0 and 5.1. I can't
imagine why I'm having so much trouble this time.
Maybe it is the new ISP.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Webb)
Subject: Re: Can't see the windows I minimized on the panel!
Date: 30 May 2001 21:07:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 30 May 2001 12:02:54 -0400, Karthik Subramanian wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Everytime I minimize a window in GNOME (Linux 7.0), it dissapears from
> the taksbar. However, I can click on the 'arrow' in the desk guide and
> get the window open. I do not know which setting to change to get the
> task applet to my panel.
>
> Could someone help me out.
> Karthik Subramanian.
>
Open up the properties for the Tasklist (right click on the bar) and
make sure "Show iconified (minimised) applications" is selected.
P.S. "Linux 7.0": is that a new distribution? :-)
Lee.
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From: "Andre Renaud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.palmtops.pilot,alt.comp.sys.palmtops.pilot
Subject: Re: palm m505 & USB & Linux
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:19:22 +1200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ken Mankoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I cannot get my m505 to talk to linux. There is some basic recognition
> of the USB port and the device attached to it, but no communication
> between the palm and the computer whatsoever.
>
> Does anyone have any information to help me solve this?
>
> If it helps, i'd be pleased to dump part of my log files...
I haven't got a USB palm, but in theory (heavy emphasis on theory),
assuming that the usb and serial palms both talk to same protocol, just
over a different connection, you should be able to hack libusb
http://libusb.sourceforge.net support into pilot-link. Again, I haven't
tried this, but it might work (you never know).
Andre
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:33:18 +0200
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Login Problems on Red Hat 7.1 Install
Squirrel Police wrote:
>
>
> Well, I've finally done it. On my main computer I
> installed 256 additional megs of RAM and Red Hat 7.1
> with the 2.4 Linux kernel. After a couple of days of
> struggle, I was finally able to "see" my modem after
> changing the PnP setting in my BIOS, so now I can dial
> out to my ISP. And then I get stuck.
>
> --> Modem initialized.
> --> Sending: ATDT 225-8888
> CONNECT 49333/ARQ/V90/LAPM/V42BIS
> --> Carrier detected. Waiting for report.
> Returning not ok!!
> --> Disconnecting at Wed May 30 11:54:12 2001
>
> This is the output from the wvdial command. Now what?
> I've been reading my 7 Linux books, and checked
> several more at the local bookstore. I've downloaded
> the PPP Howto from the Linux Documentation Project and
> studied it. I've checked the Red Hat Knowledge Base,
> and signed up for the PPP mailing list. I've tried
> getting tech support from my ISP. Next I'm going to
> start hanging out on Usenet at comp.os.linux.setup.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Your friend and brother,
> John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> P.S. I did all of this with the command line about
> three years ago with Red Hat 5.0 and 5.1. I can't
> imagine why I'm having so much trouble this time.
> Maybe it is the new ISP.
Sounds bad, wvdial is mostly able to connect, however I
would fire up minicom, dial out and check what the other
side expects.
In the worst case, use some M$ box and check what it sets up,
sure it works with win or your ISP would be long out of business....
Good luck
Michael Heiming
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From: Ian Northeast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on a computer on a PCI card in a computer?
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:39:05 +0100
David Campbell wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Are there any cpu-on-a-card solutions that can be used to run
> linux inside a PC that otherwise is running windows (where
> linux has its own IDE, ports etc), and sets itself up as a
> networked interface such that the windows computer thinks
> that it is networked to another computer?
No, I don't think that such a thing is currently possible. Technically
it shouldn't be impossible - IBM did something vaguely similar with MVS
and OS/2 (at a price) - but I don't believe that anyone's attempted this
yet.
> I know about software solutions that can be used to run windows
> inside linux, but I don't like the poor performance.
If you mean VMWare, then you can get VMWare for Windows NT/2K and run
Linux under that. Linux is less likely to suffer from poor performance
as it isn't (or doesn't have to be) as fat and hungry. Not the way I'd
do it, but I only use Windows occasionally. It's widely reported to work
fine. If you want to run games in Windows and less graphically intensive
stuff in Linux, this may be a solution. I understand that many modern
games run fine in W2K.
There is another product from www.connectix.com which will apparantly
run a virtual Linux under Windows 9x as well as the NT series. Like
VMWare, it will be commercial but is currently beta (although they call
it "technology preview"). I've not tried it. Their web site boasts good
reviews but then it would.
See also www.cygwin.com. Not Unix running inside Windows, but a
reasonable substitute for some applications.
Regards, Ian
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