Linux-Networking Digest #403, Volume #10 Sat, 6 Mar 99 20:14:34 EST
Contents:
Re: Firewall/transparent proxy problems ("donoli")
Re: can't ping Windows 95 from Linux (Gerald Jensen)
Re: concerts in the park (eric whitten)
Re: Monitoring IP Traffic ("William R. Mattil")
Re: how to connect 3 computers? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ifconfig eth0:1 problem ("Sascha Milic")
Re: setting MTU and MRU (Doug Goldstein)
Re: SSH Question ("Derek Kwan - http://Derek.KWAN.on.ca")
Re: ppp doesn't use ISP's Name Server (Mike Niemann)
Two network cards with Linux... (Durango)
Re: Linux programming jobs? (mike)
Re: MCSE preparation exams (Raymond Doetjes)
Samba server for Windows clients (Patrick Dunford)
Re: ftp problem with redhat 5.2/mandrake (jedi)
Re: Samba server for Windows clients (Scott W. Petersen)
very basic samba connection failure (TJ)
Re: Printing Paused For: Win95->RH Linux 5.2->HP JetDirect (giangy)
Re: Won't let me telnet into RedHat 5.2 Telnet as root, Whare are the configureation
files for this? (Bob Tennent)
Re: How can I stop my eth1 network card (Mike)
NT4/Samba - Lost connectivity (Ken Braatz)
WIN98 RAS TELNET LINUX ?? (Super C5)
Re: Linux versions, any opinions? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "donoli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.security.firewalls
Subject: Re: Firewall/transparent proxy problems
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 18:21:11 -0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<7bptvt$nm3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I am having real problems setting up a packet-filtering firewall with
>transparent proxy support under Linux. The proxy server works as a
"normal"
>proxy, but it won't work transparently. I won't include my ipfwadm
commands
>here because they are long, but when I list the rules that are in force I
get
>what you see below. My local network is 192.25.163.0/24 and the proxy
machine
>is gw.nodomain.com.au (actually that's a lie, I have munged the IP
addresses
>and domain for security reasons):
We know you lied.
Login: terminus Name: Jeremy Malcolm
Directory: /drive2c/home/users/terminus Shell: /usr/local/bin/bash
Office Phone: +61-8-9325 4400 Home Phone: +61-8-9341 1560
On since Tue Mar 2 21:18 (WST) on ttyp1, idle 4 days 9:54, from
203.25.143.140
Last login Sat Mar 6 09:54 (WST) on ttyp8 from 203.11.114.106
No Mail.
Mail forwarded to:
"|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #terminus"
Project: Learn all about me from http://malcolm.wattle.id.au
Plan:
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From: Gerald Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: can't ping Windows 95 from Linux
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:25:15 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anonymous in News Groups pisses people off and is rude.
1. Make sure you have the latest samba (http://www.samba.org/)
2. Check out the article at
http://www.eunuchs.org/linux/samba/samba_content.html
3. Use the Samba SWAT utility to configure the printers
Gerald Jensen
Anonymous wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have two machines - one is running Win95. Another can dual boot to
> Windows 95 or Linux. Both are connected with a cross cable.
>
> The problem is that I can ping each other while running both in Windows 95
> but can't ping while one boot up in Linux and another in Win95.
>
> Both has set the IP already.
>
> IP: 192.168.1.1 IP: 192.168.1.2
> Subnet: 255.255.255.0 for both
>
> Would you give me advice how to solve ths?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rory Cham
>
>
>
> ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: eric whitten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: concerts in the park
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 18:28:34 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I really don't want to know.
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From: "William R. Mattil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Monitoring IP Traffic
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 17:19:57 -0600
Clemens Heise wrote:
> Hello !
> I�m looking for a useful (Perl/C) tool for to monitoring IP Traffic on al local
>network. What I want is, to count the
> Traffic to predfined hosts in our LAN. The result should be a list which tells me
>how many kbytes were sent to/recieved
> by the hosts. I tried sniffit und tcpdump, but I cant get it work for my purpose.
>
> Any experince or tips ?
> ---
> Clemens Heise
> eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Look at MRTG it will do what you want as long as the hosts have snmp running.
Bill
--
William R. Mattil | Fred Astaire wasn't so great.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Ginger had to do it all backwards
(972) 256-3219 | and... in high heels.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: how to connect 3 computers?
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 22:49:12 GMT
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:08:08 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Erik Hensema)
wrote:
>James Ho wrote:
>
>>However the network is SLOOOW....I dual boot my system with Win98
>>(sorry guys..I know it sux...but there are more games ma...Linux still
>>rulez!!) And when playing something like Quake2 over the network,
>>either computer A or B (when played with only 2 computers) will
>>disconnected and then exits the current deathmatch. It happens with
>>other games too, not just Quake2.
>
>>And browsing on the net is quite slow too...
>Sounds like cable problems to me.
>
>>
>>I want to connect it in a ring...(will that helps??)
>>
>>B ----------- A ---------------C
>> \_________________/
>>
>
>That's impossible.
not really, you just need 2 nic in A and C and set up the routing
properly
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From: "Sascha Milic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ifconfig eth0:1 problem
Date: 5 Mar 1999 23:15:51 GMT
You schould also add:
route add -net 192.168.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0:1
Sascha
Erwann ABALEA schrieb in Nachricht ...
>On Thu, 4 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>> I have to problem to setup the second interface on the same NIC, I try
the
>> following command to add the second interface but I can't even do a ping
that
>> IP address.
>>
>> ifconfig eth0:1 inet 192.168.3.12 broadcase 192.168.3.255 netmask
>> 255.255.255.0
>
>Maybe you should wake it up? add the 'up' at the end of the previous
>command...
>
>--
>Erwann ABALEA
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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From: Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: setting MTU and MRU
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 23:59:18 GMT
Search your registry for MTU. The only matches to that are PPP Adapters. Just
change the values.
Doug Goldstein
Sujat Jamil~ wrote:
> First, I apologize because this really is not a Linux question,
> but I figured I'm likely to get an informed response in this
> newsgroup.
>
> So, here goes:
>
> How do you set MTU and MRU for PPP in Windows 95/98?
>
> In Linux, obviously these can easily set as options to pppd,
> but I haven't been able to figure out how to set them in Windows.
>
> I'm getting sigfinicant difference in net access performance
> between Linux and Windows on a 56K modem connection, and I'm
> suspecting the main reason is that in Linux, I have MTU and MRU set
> to 1500, and I'm guessing Windows has them set to much smaller values
> so not taking advantage of the 56K connection.
>
> I searched for MTU and MRU in the Windows registry edit program,
> regedit, with no luck.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks much for your help.
>
> Sujat
>
> --
> Sujat Jamil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 602-554-9416
> Merced(TM) Design Engineer 5000 W. Chandler Blvd. Fax: 602-554-7388
> Intel Corporation CH7-400, Chandler, AZ 85226 Pager: 602-440-8090
> ===========================================================================
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From: "Derek Kwan - http://Derek.KWAN.on.ca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SSH Question
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 23:49:46 GMT
Been there, done that. Those posting are just too confusing. Dunno if they are
talking about the daemon or the client. And if u know the answer, please post.
Derek
BL wrote:
> you must not have tried dejanews or altavista.
>
> its there - really - just look first.
>
> Derek Kwan - http://Derek.KWAN.on.ca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : Hello World,
>
> : 1) I want to install SSH daemon (i.e. replace telnetd). Where I can find
> : the source/binary for that?
> : 2) Where I can find a SSH Client that run on Linux?
> : 3) Where I can find a SSH Client that run on Windowz?
>
> : Any other thing I should beaware of?
>
> : Derek
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Niemann)
Subject: Re: ppp doesn't use ISP's Name Server
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 23:57:15 GMT
On 6 Mar 1999 20:25:05 GMT, "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>I'm connected just fine to my ISP, and ppp appears working fine. I can
>>get to www sites (via Netscape) by number... but not by name. Tried
>>nslookup, but it never returns either.
>Edit the file /etc/resolv.conf adding lines of the form
>
>nameserver 207.69.188.187
>nameserver 204.71.177.33
Cameron, it's already there.../etc/resolv.conf
domain ix.netcom.com
nameserver 199.182.120.203
nameserver 199.182.120.202
>>The only "odd" entry I see my Windoze networking is that "use IP
>>compression" is enabled. Haven't seen a Linux anlog to that.
>
>Linux PPP negotiates IP header compression at connect time, automatically.
Cool.
I believe the problem is the "default" routing. The Route tab in
netcfg _is_ blanks. Unfortunately, "route -n" confirms the problem:
Without kppp active:
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
10.1.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 7 eth0
127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 1 lo
With kppp active:
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
163.179.44.9 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0
10.1.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 5 eth0
127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 1 lo
0.0.0.0 163.179.44.9 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0
So comparing this to the HOWTO, the Gateway column should always have
"*", and mine never does. Also, the Genmask should have "*" on the
last line, with Destination having the precious "default".
Can I get there from here?
Regards, Mike Niemann, PBBrowser Author
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Durango)
Subject: Two network cards with Linux...
Date: 5 Mar 1999 17:30:24 -0600
I finally got it to auto-probe for two cards, an Intel Etherexpress
100+ and a 3Com 3c509, using info from here:
http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/linux.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mike)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux programming jobs?
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:54:05 GMT
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:30:12 -0700, "Keith Peterson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>20, no degree, no paid work experience - it's not going to be easy. I'm in
>Edmonton, Alberta, and your resume wouldn't make any short-lists here. I
>can't imagine B.C.'s much different in that regard.
>
>If you don't want to go the University route, consider a college or
>technical school (like NAIT or SAIT in Alberta - don't know the B.C.
>equivalents) - unless you'd like to start on the roundabout route I took, in
>which case you should get in at a support role if your experience justifies
>it. Prove yourself knowledgeable and talented, and you will move up
>eventually.
>
>Pavel V. Zaitesev wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>Hello, fellow linux hackers.
>>I'm currently looking for work, that involves linux/unix programming, but
>>can find none. All jobs here require degree and /or 5-10 paid work
>>experience. I am a little upset now, because local authorities changing
>>law locally to allow programmer to work for more hours, but I couldn't
>>find a single job. Would the problem be:
>>1. Bad resume
>>2. looking in the worng places
>>3. too dumb
>>I am 20 and abviously have no degree, nor any paid work experience.
>>I finished high school, I know linux/w95 well as well as C++, perl, Java,
>>Pascal, sh, bash. I know how to setup any kind of software. Able to
>>troubleshoot any software conflict. Currently I am working on a electronic
>>sales system.
I have an incomplete university degree with some courses in computers,
and I am currently working in technical support. I am 23.
I agree with this post. At 20 with no experience, you don't stand
much of a chance. I did get myself into some small contract positions
doing some CGI programming... but the company went under and I was
never paid. It is still experience though.
I finally wound up getting picked up by a temp agency which
specialized in high-tech jobs... yes, call centres and tech support.
That got my foot in the door. Now I'm a regular employee with a
reputable company... but I'm still not programming.
If you're really skilled and determined, you might just be best off
starting up your own company. The market is saturated, you won't make
much money -- infacty you'll probably loose money, but it is still
experience. The government of Ontario also has some loans programs
for young entrepreneurs... there may be paralell programs in your
province.
I considered doing this while I was job hunting, but my student loans
were too high, I couldn't afford to take any risks.
-Mike
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: MCSE preparation exams
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:39:33 +0100
I agree Tim.
MCSE is just a commercial stunt to make money. They do learn alot but it
is just stupid learning work. They don't learn howto troubleshoot a
problem nor do the really know the background of processes.
They know where to click but that is that. The don't know why things
work the way they do so they probably never go out and ask the right
questions. I think that is the most important thing in the I.T. This way
you can always ask for the help from a person whoms field it is. Most of
the MCSE people I know feel like they are god, but in fact they don't
know ass much as the say they do. ANd instead of asking a question they
just go out and fiddle on their own since they are to pride to ask since
they are MCSE certified. Then again I may have given them the answer
straight away.
Raymond
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick Dunford)
Subject: Samba server for Windows clients
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:05:50 +1300
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Would people like to comment on the viability/usefulness/ease of use etc
etc of a Samba file and print server in a C/S setup for Win9x / NT
clients?
I'm thinking of setting up an old 486 as a testbed for something I can
offer my clients as an alternative to NT Server for small office
networks. I am sure it is stable and reliable, as long as it can offer
the same sort of user-level security and so on that is normal in a
client/server network.
- --
Patrick Dunford, Christchurch, NZ
http://patrick.dunford.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: ftp problem with redhat 5.2/mandrake
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:40:23 -0800
On 6 Mar 1999 03:06:21 GMT, BL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>after a new install of 5.2 RH (I used 4.2 for the last 2 yrs) my inbound ftp
>is not working. no matter what I try, the connection is refused.
>
>what things should I look for? is PAM more picky than it was in RH4.2 days?
>
>I'm not even trying to ftp to the root acct, I created a nonpriv user and ftpd
>won't even let me login as that..
>
>in.ftpd is there and inetd.conf has the entry uncommented. the user is NOT in
>/etc/ftpusers. ftphosts is empty. ftpgroups is empty.
>
>what else does redhat5.2 (mandrake, actually) need so that I can enable
>inbound ftp's to my site?
Make an appropriate subdirectory in /home/ftp/pub/.
>
>(is there a bug in the standard shipped in.ftp on redhat 5.2, maybe?)
>
>thanks,
>
>--
>..bl
--
Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
as soon as your grip slips.
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: root@[127.0.0.1] (Scott W. Petersen)
Subject: Re: Samba server for Windows clients
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 03:56:46 GMT
Here is a message that my boss sent to someone who had a similar
question:
=====Original Message=====
From: Roger Petersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 11:53 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Linux file server
This in response to your newsgroup request for a Linux file server.
In answer to your question, "can Win95 & NT share files on Linux."
Yes, this is easily accomplished. One of the popular applications that
runs
on Linux is "Samba". In simple terms Samba works with the TCP/IP
protocol
that basically teaches Linux to "speak windows". Nothing has to done
on the
client (i.e. Windows side) except map to the network drives and
printers.
In addition Samba offers features for print serving and network
backups.
We have several customers who are already using this technique.
Because
Linux requires less resources than an NT server, the response/speed
execution is outstanding. The only application we have discovered that
has
speed issues is
MS Access 2.0. This is due to the FAT16 file system that is used by
Access
2.0. For all other applications that store data on a Linux system we
have
experienced improved through-put. The speed improvement can be seen
visually
and easily recognized by the user. We are not referring to a benchmark
test,
that does not always reflect "real-life" actual operations.
We have been working with different flavors of Unix, beginning with
early
versions of Xenix. We also work with NT servers. At this point, Linux
has
resulted in being the most reliable, flexible, powerful version of
Unix that
we have worked with.
The support, which some non-believers or unknowledgeable individuals
state
is not available, is better than any other O/S company we have worked
with.
The administration tools and utilities available are excellent. In
fact you
can use your browser to graphically control total configuration or
maintenance on a Linux system remotely.
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:05:50 +1300, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Patrick Dunford) wrote:
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
>
>Would people like to comment on the viability/usefulness/ease of use etc
>etc of a Samba file and print server in a C/S setup for Win9x / NT
>clients?
>
>I'm thinking of setting up an old 486 as a testbed for something I can
>offer my clients as an alternative to NT Server for small office
>networks. I am sure it is stable and reliable, as long as it can offer
>the same sort of user-level security and so on that is normal in a
>client/server network.
>
>- --
>Patrick Dunford, Christchurch, NZ
>http://patrick.dunford.com/
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Please remove *N*o*S*p*a*m* from my e-mail
address.
Scott W. Petersen - N9SLA
Elgin, IL USA
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From: TJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: very basic samba connection failure
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 20:25:45 -0800
I have a Linux box running samba, and a Win95 box connected via an
ethernet hub.
Both lamps are green at the hub.
I can't ping the machines (either direction) to see them.
Is my win95 box supposed to have a network protocol specifically for the
linux connection? I already have a TCP - and I don't see any way to
configure it to see the linux box. The linux box isn't running as a
server anyway - as far as I know.
I can see that samba is running. (ps aux | grep smb)
I dont see the linux box in Network Neighborhood
I dont see the win95 box using smbclient -L \\\\mywindowsbox
I do have the workgroups set identically on both machines.
I have file sharing enabled on the win95 box.
I have the user setup on the linux box as "TJ, password" which I use for
the windows networking prompt.
Here is my smb.conf (in part):
[global]
workgroup = LOS_ANGELES
guest account = nobody
keep alive = 30
os level = 2
security = user
log file = /var/log/s
lock directory = var/lock/samba
share modes = yes
interfaces = 198.162.1.1
wins support = no
[homes]
browseable = yes
read only = no
create mode = 750
[tmp]
path = /tmp
read only = no
public = yes
[public]
path = /home
public = yes
writeable = yes
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From: giangy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printing Paused For: Win95->RH Linux 5.2->HP JetDirect
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 02:42:08 +0100
well it's not a great deal...
but you can telnet as a user ... make su to become root
and have this to restart lpd
/etc/rc.d/init.d/lpd stop
/etc/rc.d/init.d/lpd start
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From: r d t@c s.q u e e n s u.c a (Bob Tennent)
Subject: Re: Won't let me telnet into RedHat 5.2 Telnet as root, Whare are the
configureation files for this?
Date: 6 Mar 1999 04:11:05 GMT
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:59:10 -0500, TSetliff wrote:
>I would like to find out whare the configuration files are for telnet under
>Red Hat 5.2 so that I could posibly set it up to let me telnet in as root.
>
A security risk. Better to telnet in as a user and su.
Bob T.
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From: Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can I stop my eth1 network card
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 18:36:31 -0800
dave wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >
> >dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>I have two network cards. One eth0 is for my Intranet and eth1 is for my
> >>Internet connection. I want to disable my Internet eth1 connection when I am
> >>not using my computer. I can do this in X with the network configuration
> tool
> >>but I want to disable/enable from the command line. I am using kerneld.
> >>
> >>Using RedHat 5.2
> >
> >Have you tried ifconfig eth1 down
> >
> >--
> >Ben Goble \ Lakewood, CO USA
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >A Stranger and Pilgrim on the Earth.
>
> That works great except when I try to bring it back up with ifconfig eth1 up.
> I am unable to use the Internet. I can no longer ping the IP for eth1 even
> though ifconfig shows its up.
>
> What is the correct way to bring eth1 back up?
ifconfig interface eg:eth1 IP_Address [broadcast address] [netmask]
eg; ifconfig eth1 205.147.57.2 205.147.57.255 255.255.255.0
or shorther just: ifconfig eth1 205.147.57.2 {then hit return} :}
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From: Ken Braatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NT4/Samba - Lost connectivity
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 05:21:58 +0000
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Super C5)
Subject: WIN98 RAS TELNET LINUX ??
Date: 6 Mar 1999 05:32:04 GMT
I'm having problems dialing in to my network and being able to access my linux
server. I have 3 computers on the network I'm dialing into. 2 WIN98 machines
one of wich is running RAS (that's how I dial in) the other is just networked
in but doesn't do anything special. The linux server serves as an
intranet/ftp/telnet/samba server. It works fine with the two WIN98 computers,
but when I dial in I can't see the linux server at all. Not in any of the
services. It's like the TCP/IP is disabled or something, but I told my machine
I'm dialing in on to use TCP/IP (also a WIN98 machine)....please help I've read
every readme file I can find and can't find anything of use. I've been trying
to get this to work for over a month. I really need to be able to see it like
if I were actually on the network. PLEASE HLEP!!!
Thanks,
Daniel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux versions, any opinions?
Date: 6 Mar 1999 05:36:55 GMT
Michael T. Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have been using Debian's distribution for a while. I've noticed corporate
> support (Intel, etc) for Red Hat. My major like for Debian is cost (and the
> fact that I have used it before, but I am not opposed to change). I
> downloaded the floppy images and the CDROM images and built the box for
> hardware cost alone. Red Hat seems to cost at least $50.
> Does anyone have an opinion as to which distribution is better?
Use the one you like. Debian has advantages, Red Hat has others, Caldera
has yet others, etc. Remember that Debian has set forth to follow the
Free Software Foundation model of a non-profit group and so will probably
never receive any large corporate backing, while Red Hat is a for-profit
organization. I'm still using Slackware because it basically replaced
the old Soft Landing Systems distribution and just haven't bothered to
change.
--
Charles Rutledge | Liberty is a tenuous gift. Hard to win, easy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | to give away, and no will protect it for you.
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