Linux-Networking Digest #523, Volume #10 Wed, 17 Mar 99 01:13:41 EST
Contents:
Re: Sextuple Boot (DaZZa)
Re: Trying to set up Cable Modem @home under linux...pings IP but nothing else????
("Steve Moret")
Re: What is the best Linux to install? (Eric Melville)
ppp problem! ("PaLLi")
Interesting PPP Problem ("Jack Beatty")
PPP host ("Jean-R�ginald Louis")
Re: ifup eth0 (bklimas)
Re: NETGEAR (Brian (Remove spamkiller to reply))
Re: Sextuple Boot (DaZZa)
Mail server docs (Mark Robinson)
EQL question (Froilan Mendoza)
Re: setting MTU and MRU ("Gero H. Marten")
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From: DaZZa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.security,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networking,comp.os.netware.misc
Subject: Re: Sextuple Boot
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:03:23 +1100
On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Rick Droske wrote:
> Yes you wouldn't want to share any of your "tricky" secrets with the general
> public. After all someone else might benefit and it could even be an NT
> user.
Actually, it's simply because the process is rather involved, and also
rather off topic for the primary newsgroup I am reading
{comp.os.netware.misc}, however, if you insist.
{This makes the assumption you know what you're doing with respect to
partitions and the like - if you don't, I'm not going to type enough to
detail it here}.
1) Install NT. Ensure you let NT's fdisk make only ONE partition large
enough to install the base OS on.
2) Install Linux. Use whatever distribution you like. You can even
install it into an extended partition if you like - in fact, if you
want to use more than NT/Linux on the same disk, I recommend it - if
you let Linux's FDISK make the extended partition, not NT's.
You can also add extra NT partitions now, using Linux's fdisk.
Place LILO on the first sector of your root partition, *NOT* the MBR of
the boot disk. Also ensure you make a bootable floppy {you'll be asked in
the setup if you wish to}.
3) Reboot your system to Linux, using the bootable floppy you made in step
2. Logon as root once you have booted, and type the following
dd if=/dev/hda5 of=bootsect.lin bs=512 count=1
This assumes you installed Linux on the first extended partition on an IDe
hard disk - if you did something else, substitute the partition ID of your
boot partition.
4) Copy this to a floppy {if it's an MSDOS formatted disk, type mcopy
bootsect.lin a: or moun the floppy somewhere and copy the file to it via
normal methods if mtools isn't installed}.
5) Shutdown Linux and reboot into NT
6) Logon as administrator.
7) cd to the root of your boot partition {cd c:\} and type this
attrib boot.ini -r -s -h
8) Edit boot.ini, and add a line at the bottom which looks like this
c:\bootsect.lin="Linux"
9) Save and exit the file
10) Type
attrib boot.ini +s +r +h
11) Put the floppy you copied the file bootsect.lin onto into your floppy
drive
12) Type
copy a:\bootsect.lin c:\
13) Shutdown and reboot.
You should now have another menu option in your NT loader which says
"Linux". selecting this option will boot you into LILO, and then into
Linux.
Enjoy.
Even if you are an NT user. :-)
DaZZa
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From: "Steve Moret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trying to set up Cable Modem @home under linux...pings IP but nothing
else????
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:27:41 -0800
Jeremy M. Gibson wrote in message <36ec8f3b.3514478@news>...
>So I read this RH5.2 and Cablemodem setup file out their on the net,
>and it said that this was a very easy procedure. But I now have a eth0
>device that will ping the assigned IP but nothing else. I am lost.
>For debugging info this is what I have done:
>
>System:
>
>Dual boot Pentium II 333
>
>2 Ethernet cards one for Windows (AT2400/BT PCI which I don't think is
>supported in linux) and one for linux (3com 3c509b ISA).
I have found that in my area (Orange County) after the usage of 3 IPs my
@Home cablemodem (think its a Motorolla) will block traffic to any unknown
MAC(ethernet) address. My solution to this was to just reset the cablemodem
(little button in the back), after about 1 minute of resetting it would let
any 3 new MAC(ethernet) addresses use it.
I would figure that if you use a different ethernet card in Windows than in
Linux this may be a similar problem because they both have different MAC
addresses.
--
Steve Moret
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Eric Melville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.redhat,alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: What is the best Linux to install?
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 04:30:00 GMT
uhm, wouldn't that mean that redhat is also the "aol of linux" ??
-E
> redhat-fully automated
> slackware-for do it yourselfers
> suse-havent used, but good cde i hear
> caldera-aol of linux i hear
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From: "PaLLi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ppp problem!
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 05:15:27 -0000
Ok once again another ppp problem, ok...ppp will not create the ppp
link....i've always been able to connect to my isp but now suddenly i
can't..puff..but can through windows and stuff...
heres what ppp.log says...
:
Mar 9 05:08:19 landastrumpur pppd[148]: Exit.
Mar 9 05:08:22 landastrumpur pppd[153]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
Mar 9 05:08:23 landastrumpur chat[154]: abort on (BUSY)
Mar 9 05:08:23 landastrumpur chat[154]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
Mar 9 05:08:23 landastrumpur chat[154]: abort on (VOICE)
Mar 9 05:08:23 landastrumpur chat[154]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
Mar 9 05:08:23 landastrumpur chat[154]: abort on (NO ANSWER)
Mar 9 05:08:23 landastrumpur chat[154]: send (ATZ^M)
Mar 9 05:08:23 landastrumpur chat[154]: expect (OK)
Mar 9 05:08:23 landastrumpur chat[154]: ATZ^M^M
Mar 9 05:08:23 landastrumpur chat[154]: OK
Mar 9 05:08:23 landastrumpur chat[154]: -- got it
Mar 9 05:08:23 landastrumpur chat[154]: send (ATM1^M)
Mar 9 05:08:23 landastrumpur chat[154]: expect (OK)
Mar 9 05:08:23 landastrumpur chat[154]: ^M
Mar 9 05:08:24 landastrumpur chat[154]: ATM1^M^M
Mar 9 05:08:24 landastrumpur chat[154]: OK
Mar 9 05:08:24 landastrumpur chat[154]: -- got it
Mar 9 05:08:24 landastrumpur chat[154]: send (ATDT5697655^M)
Mar 9 05:08:24 landastrumpur chat[154]: expect (CONNECT)
Mar 9 05:08:24 landastrumpur chat[154]: ^M
Mar 9 05:08:47 landastrumpur chat[154]: ATDT5697655^M^M
Mar 9 05:08:47 landastrumpur chat[154]: CONNECT
Mar 9 05:08:47 landastrumpur chat[154]: -- got it
Mar 9 05:08:47 landastrumpur chat[154]: send (\d)
Mar 9 05:08:48 landastrumpur pppd[153]: Serial connection established.
Mar 9 05:08:49 landastrumpur pppd[153]: Using interface ppp0
Mar 9 05:08:49 landastrumpur pppd[153]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1
Mar 9 05:08:49 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap
0x0> <magic 0xe9533b80> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Mar 9 05:08:49 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap
0x0> <magic 0xe9533b80> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Mar 9 05:08:50 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [proto=0x3d] c0 00 00 00
Mar 9 05:08:51 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap
0x0> <auth pap> <magic 0x9fdb0221> <pcomp> <accomp> < 11 04 05 dc> < 12 02>
< 13 09 03 00 80 2d 06 9c 8e>]
Mar 9 05:08:51 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 < 11 04 05
dc> < 12 02> < 13 09 03 00 80 2d 06 9c 8e>]
Mar 9 05:08:51 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x2 <asyncmap
0x0> <auth pap> <magic 0x9fdb0221> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Mar 9 05:08:51 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x2 <asyncmap
0x0> <auth pap> <magic 0x9fdb0221> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Mar 9 05:08:51 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0
magic=0xe9533b80]
Mar 9 05:08:51 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [PAP AuthReq id=0x1
user="fleh" password="fleh"]
Mar 9 05:08:51 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x0
magic=0x9fdb0221]
Mar 9 05:08:51 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [PAP AuthAck id=0x1 ""]
Mar 9 05:08:51 landastrumpur pppd[153]: Remote message:
Mar 9 05:08:51 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 <addr
0.0.0.0> <compress VJ 0f 01>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [CCP ConfReq id=0x3 < 12 06 00
00 00 01> < 11 05 00 01 03> <bsd v1 12> <predictor 1>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [CCP ConfReq id=0x1]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [CCP ConfRej id=0x3 < 12 06 00
00 00 01> < 11 05 00 01 03>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x4 <addr
0.0.0.0>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [IPCP ConfRej id=0x4 <addr
0.0.0.0>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [IPCP ConfRej id=0x1 <compress
VJ 0f 01>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x2 <addr
0.0.0.0>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [CCP ConfAck id=0x1]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [CCP ConfReq id=0x5 <bsd v1
12> <predictor 1>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [CCP ConfRej id=0x5 <bsd v1
12>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x6 <addrs
0.0.0.0 193.4.194.138>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [IPCP ConfRej id=0x6 <addrs
0.0.0.0 193.4.194.138>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x2 <addr
193.4.194.138>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x3 <addr
193.4.194.138>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [CCP ConfReq id=0x7 <predictor
1>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [CCP ConfRej id=0x7 <predictor
1>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x8]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [IPCP ConfAck id=0x8]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x3 <addr
193.4.194.138>]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: Could not determine remote IP
address
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [IPCP TermReq id=0x4 "Could
not determine remote IP address"]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [CCP ConfReq id=0x9]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [CCP ConfAck id=0x9]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [IPCP TermAck id=0x4]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "No
network protocols running"]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: rcvd [LCP TermAck id=0x2]
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: Connection terminated.
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
Mar 9 05:08:52 landastrumpur pppd[153]: Exit.
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From: "Jack Beatty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Interesting PPP Problem
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:18:06 -0500
Like several other people in this news group, I'm having problems with PPP
access to
my ISP. I've read all of the HOWTOs, and I think that I've configured
everything correctly. Using the basic PPP-HOWTO configuration. When I run
PPP-ON, the modem dials my ISP and logins into the server. Then establishes
the serial connection, then nothing. It doesn't set up the default route
even though I have defaultroute specified in options file. It appears that
it may not be getting past LCP negotiations. I've enclosed the syslog for
your perusal. I've been bangin my head against this one for months.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!
Using Redhat 5.2 and a Zoomtel 56k modem upgraded to V.90. I've tried the
modem on /dev/cua2 and /dev/ttyS2 to no avail. Should I by a new modem?
ppp-on script ----------------------
#!/bin/sh
#
# These are the parameters. Change as needed.
TELEPHONE=9999999999# The telephone number for the connection
ACCOUNT=xxxxxxx # The account name for logon
PASSWORD=xxxxxxx # The password for this account
LOCAL_IP=0.0.0.0 # Local IP address if known. Dynamic = 0.0.0.0
REMOTE_IP=0.0.0.0 # Remote IP address if desired. Normally 0.0.0.0
# Export them so that they will be available to 'ppp-on-dialer'
export TELEPHONE ACCOUNT PASSWORD
#
# This is the location of the script which dials the phone and logs
# in. Please use the absolute file name as the $PATH variable is not
# used on the connect option. (To do so on a 'root' account would be
# a security hole so don't ask.)
#
DIALER_SCRIPT=/etc/ppp/ppp-on-dialer
#
# Initiate the connection
#
#
exec /usr/sbin/pppd /dev/cua2 57600 \
$LOCAL_IP:$REMOTE_IP \
connect $DIALER_SCRIPT
options file -----------------------
asyncmap 0
modem
debug
kdebug 7
mtu 1006
defaultroute
-detach
crtscts
lock
SYSLOG ----------------
Mar 16 23:37:30 linux_redhat pppd[536]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
Mar 16 23:37:31 linux_redhat chat[538]: timeout set to 90 seconds
Mar 16 23:37:31 linux_redhat chat[538]: abort on (\nBUSY\r)
Mar 16 23:37:31 linux_redhat chat[538]: abort on (\nNO ANSWER\r)
Mar 16 23:37:31 linux_redhat chat[538]: abort on
(\nRINGING\r\n\r\nRINGING\r)
Mar 16 23:37:31 linux_redhat chat[538]: send (rAT^M)
Mar 16 23:37:31 linux_redhat chat[538]: expect (OK)
Mar 16 23:37:50 linux_redhat chat[538]: rAT^M^M
Mar 16 23:37:50 linux_redhat chat[538]: OK
Mar 16 23:37:50 linux_redhat chat[538]: -- got it
Mar 16 23:37:50 linux_redhat chat[538]: send (ATH0^M)
Mar 16 23:37:50 linux_redhat chat[538]: timeout set to 600 seconds
Mar 16 23:37:50 linux_redhat chat[538]: expect (OK)
Mar 16 23:37:50 linux_redhat chat[538]: ^M
Mar 16 23:38:10 linux_redhat chat[538]: ATH0^M^M
Mar 16 23:38:10 linux_redhat chat[538]: OK
Mar 16 23:38:10 linux_redhat chat[538]: -- got it
Mar 16 23:38:10 linux_redhat chat[538]: send (ATDT9999999999^M)
Mar 16 23:38:10 linux_redhat chat[538]: expect (CONNECT)
Mar 16 23:38:10 linux_redhat chat[538]: ^M
Mar 16 23:38:50 linux_redhat chat[538]: ATDT9999999999^M
Mar 16 23:38:50 linux_redhat chat[538]: CONNECT
Mar 16 23:38:50 linux_redhat chat[538]: -- got it
Mar 16 23:38:50 linux_redhat chat[538]: send (^M)
Mar 16 23:38:50 linux_redhat chat[538]: expect (ogin:)
Mar 16 23:39:10 linux_redhat chat[538]: 57600^M^M
Mar 16 23:39:10 linux_redhat chat[538]:
Mar 16 23:39:20 linux_redhat last message repeated 23 times
Mar 16 23:39:20 linux_redhat chat[538]: ^M
Mar 16 23:39:30 linux_redhat chat[538]: xxx.xxx Login:
Mar 16 23:39:30 linux_redhat chat[538]: -- got it
Mar 16 23:39:30 linux_redhat chat[538]: send (xxxxxx^M)
Mar 16 23:39:30 linux_redhat chat[538]: expect (assword:)
Mar 16 23:39:50 linux_redhat chat[538]: xxxxxx^M
Mar 16 23:40:00 linux_redhat chat[538]: Password:
Mar 16 23:40:00 linux_redhat chat[538]: -- got it
Mar 16 23:40:00 linux_redhat chat[538]: send (xxxxxx^M)
Mar 16 23:40:00 linux_redhat chat[538]: expect (1006)
Mar 16 23:40:20 linux_redhat chat[538]: ^M
Mar 16 23:40:30 linux_redhat chat[538]: Entering PPP Mode.^M
Mar 16 23:40:50 linux_redhat chat[538]: IP address is 207.172.252.47^M
Mar 16 23:41:00 linux_redhat chat[538]: MTU is 1006
Mar 16 23:41:00 linux_redhat chat[538]: -- got it
Mar 16 23:41:00 linux_redhat chat[538]: send (^M)
Mar 16 23:41:00 linux_redhat pppd[536]: Serial connection established.
Mar 16 23:41:10 linux_redhat kernel: ppp_tty_ioctl: set flags to 70000
Mar 16 23:41:10 linux_redhat kernel: ppp_tty_ioctl: set flags to 70000
Mar 16 23:41:10 linux_redhat kernel: ppp_tty_ioctl: set xasyncmap
Mar 16 23:41:10 linux_redhat kernel: ppp_tty_ioctl: set xmit asyncmap
ffffffff
Mar 16 23:41:10 linux_redhat kernel: ppp_tty_ioctl: set flags to 70000
Mar 16 23:41:10 linux_redhat kernel: ppp_tty_ioctl: set mru to 5dc
Mar 16 23:41:10 linux_redhat kernel: ppp_tty_ioctl: set rcv asyncmap
ffffffff
Mar 16 23:41:10 linux_redhat kernel: ppp_tty_ioctl: set flags to 70000
Mar 16 23:41:10 linux_redhat pppd[536]: Using interface ppp0
Mar 16 23:41:10 linux_redhat pppd[536]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cua2
Mar 16 23:41:22 linux_redhat kernel: Swansea University Computer Society IPX
0.34 for NET3.035
Mar 16 23:41:22 linux_redhat kernel: IPX Portions Copyright (c) 1995
Caldera, Inc.
Mar 16 23:41:22 linux_redhat kernel: Appletalk 0.17 for Linux NET3.035
Mar 16 23:41:30 linux_redhat kernel: ppp_dev_stats called<6>ppp_dev_stats
called<6>ppp_dev_stats called<6>ppp_dev_stats called<6>ppp_dev_stats
called<6>ppp_dev_stats called<7>ppp: write frame, count = 24
Mar 16 23:42:00 linux_redhat kernel: ppp: successfully queued 33 bytes,
flags = f070000
Mar 16 23:42:20 linux_redhat kernel: ppp: channel ppp0 closing.
Mar 16 23:42:20 linux_redhat pppd[536]: Modem hangup
Mar 16 23:42:20 linux_redhat pppd[536]: Connection terminated.
Mar 16 23:42:21 linux_redhat pppd[536]: Exit.
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From: "Jean-R�ginald Louis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PPP host
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:29:52 -0500
I have a little problem that I can't solve. I have a home network compose of
2 computer, a Linux box and a Win98 box. All work perfectly. Then, I tried
to configure a PPP server in the Linux box. This work to, the remote can
telnet and ftp the Linux box. (note that the remote is a Win98 machine).
Here my problem. When we tried (me and a friend who Dialup in the Linux box)
to play an network game (using tcp/ip), it's doesn't work at all. We tried
severall games like quake 2, Raindow Six and Fifa 99, but nothing happen.
Here a little shema of my 'tiny-home-network'.
[ LinuxBox Local ] (ppp-server) 192.168.0.1
[ Win98Box Local ] (host) 192.168.0.2
[ Win98Box Remote) (remote host) 192.168.0.3
For example, if I start Quake 2 on my win98 machine, acting like the game
server, the remote game can find any game server.
Any advice? Please help me.
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From: bklimas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ifup eth0
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:29:39 GMT
Ramesh Kumar wrote:
> Everytime I do "ifup eth0", I see
> SIOCADDRT: Invalid Argument...
>
> Any idea why it is so ??
>
> I have a 3com ethernet card. It has been configured properly.
> "ifconfig -a" shows the eth0 in UP state.
>
> thanks,
> Ramesh
Mine would give me this error message when I had a default gateway
set in the file /set/sysconfig/network to 0.0.0.0
It only stopped when I changed it to:
GATEWAY=""
(My computer does not have a permanent connection to the net, it just
runs the home network.)
Hope this helps. Best regards,
Stan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian (Remove spamkiller to reply))
Subject: Re: NETGEAR
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 04:51:27 GMT
On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:22:59 -0500, John Edwards
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I setup three RedHat 5.1 machines with two of these cards in each
>machine. No problems. I used the Tulip drivers on the RedHat CD.
>
I have three of them running all connected through a Netgear 100MB
hub. Works great. Highly recommended.
brian
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From: DaZZa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.security,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networking,comp.os.netware.misc
Subject: Re: Sextuple Boot
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:25:06 +1100
On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Rick Droske wrote:
> Well if thats what you call a debate I wont expect much. But lets see.
You should really, really learn how to quote properly, you know. it makes
following your contorted logic a little easier. However, I press on.
> lets start with your first reply on this thread.
Coulda fooled me. It looks like you're replying to yourself.
> > You're right, NT's boot loader couldn't see the Linux partition on my
> > computer.
>
> It can - you just have to be a little tricky at making it work.
>
> My NT machine boots straight into Linux from the NT loader. No hassles, no
> problems.
>
> Email if you want the exact method.
>
>
> DAzzA
>
> Yes. you wouldn't want to post the "tricky" method for the general public.
> Someone, perhaps one of the evil threatening NT users who this group is
> meant for, might steal some of your hard eaned "tricky"
> knowledge.
Actually, I jut did. The reason I didn't post my "tricky" method {which,
by the way, is documented in the standard Linux HOWTO documents} is
because it was off topic. However, I just dumped it. Go find it.
> As for the rest of your diatribe its a whole lot of who cares as far as a
> real enterprise type server goes. I have set up lots of NT servers that do
> all of the important things you mentioned and never crash.
One word. Bullshit.
> By the by I notice you fail to even mention what OS you do run.
> Or how many users it supports. I suspect you run it in your basement
> for your own amusement.
Lessee.
Netware 4.11
Netware 3.12
Netware 3.2
Linux {redhat 5.2, kernel 2.0.36 and 2.2.3}
Solaris 2.7
OS/2 Warp 4.0
SCO Unix
Oh, and of course. NT
of those, netware 3.x, 4.x, NT and Linux are used on production systems.
Although, we only let Netware and Linux run really mission critical ones.
As for users. Hmmm. Let me count.
5 buildings.
1-10 floors per building. {varied}
Average of 150 users per floor
Last count that worked out more than 1500 users. Not including printers
etc.
> You are getting close to my point tho by using such a "busy" server as a
> router as well. I can see using a dedicated PC as a router
> (and NT does it quite well) but why? Can't budget a dedicated piece of
> hardware?
Actually, I use Cisco 7500, 4500, 2500 and 1600 units for my routers, in
various locations. It's only at home I use my Linux box as a router, for
my own enjoyment and small business network.
> NT can run more than one thing very well (and what any of this has to do
> with a 390 mainframe I certainly dont understand). My point was that when
> people complain about NT crashing it is usually someone like you.
NT can run _one_ thing very well. it can run _two_ things passably. Try
and run _three_ things on it, and you're up shit creek.
> When you ask them what their server is doing its always something like your
> response or worse.
>
> "Well its my only server so of course its the PDC and the WINS server
> and oh yeah DNS, my boss wanted groupware so I installed a beta
> version of Exchange server that I dont really understand, and we needed an
> "Intranet" so I downloaded a web server. We had to split the network into 2
> subnets so I added a NIC and Enabled IP forwarding cuase I didn't want to
> buy a router and then theres the two client/server apps my buddy from
> college did for us, they needed that
> SQL 7.0 eval edition..............."
Thank you. You've just accented my point.
If I can do ALL that with a "piece of junk" operating system which is only
"good for laughs" on a single processor machine with 64 meg of RAM, why
can't NT?
Novell can. Linux can. Solaris Can.
W H Y T H E F U C K C A N ' T W I N D O W S ? ? ? ?
because it's _bloatware_. Plain and simple. written by hundreds of
programmers who aren't interested in making efficient code, or optimising
performance - they KNOW the answer from the best marketing machine in the
world is going to be "well, our OS is the best, so you really need to buy
more hardware to run it on, don;t you now?"
HORSE HOCKEY!
> Same kind of do it for free thing you espouse (and its actually easier, just
> as free for the most part, and works better on NT) . Then it crashes and
> its usually some non-MS software that does it, something someone found for
> free and then they cry?
Ahhh, I see. I'm only supposed to run MS software on NT. *THAT* must be
what I'm doing wrong. How fucking stupid of me to expect an operating
system to run {gasp} _someone elses application software_.
> Don't get me wrong, I don't think MS is the be all and end all. I'm
> just tired of people like you coming to newsgroups like this and putting it
> down with no real experience in either it or an alternative
> (which you dont even name).
You want my qualifications?
CNE
MCSE
Cisco CCNA
15 YEARS in the IT business, working on everything from netware
2.1/Windows 2.0 through netware 5 and betas of Windows 2000.
So piss off. I have more experience than most. I've been here through the
growth of the IT industry from the days when 110 baud modems were FAST,
and CPU's ran at 4.77 Mhz if you were _lucky_.
> I assume you mean linux and if you do i'm also tired of you college kids
> that learn a little unix and then start squealing about how much better it
> is when you know squat about it or ant other system in a real world
> installation.
I wish I was still in "college'.
I suggest you learn to read mail headers. See the .au after my address?
That means AUSTRALIA - I'm not in America, and we don;t have "college".
> I await your "debate" response and expect little.
Good for you. I repeat. I still 'aint impressed with NT, and I never will
be.
DaZZa - no need to reply to ask me to cool it, Ken - he's going into my
bloody killfile.
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From: Mark Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mail server docs
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 05:47:57 GMT
Is there any documentation on setting up a mail server?
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From: froilan@stalker (Froilan Mendoza)
Subject: EQL question
Date: 17 Mar 1999 13:30:33 +0800
was wondering whether it is possible to configure one linux
box with multiple EQL connections ..
we have one existing connection to our linux box using eql and we are planning
to have another one ..
any tips/howtos will be appreciated
thanks in advance
roy
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From: "Gero H. Marten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: setting MTU and MRU
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:43:35 +0100
"J.M. Paden" wrote:
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0002]
Hey people, this is a Linux newsgroup!
--
Gero H. Marten
<http://www.provi.de/gmarten/index.html>
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