Linux-Networking Digest #874, Volume #10 Thu, 15 Apr 99 19:13:48 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux on a NT-network (Richard Torkar)
Re: Linux minicom login problem (ts)
Re: Couple of quick questions (Lasse Kliemann)
sendmail works...now how do i receive? (urgrue)
Re: I need your help!! PPP problem. (Gernot Fink)
Re: NT faster than Linux? (Taylor)
Re: evaluating a network: HOWTO? (Peter Buelow)
obtaining and IP address (Chad Eddings)
Re: PPP-lease help.. (not totally newbie..:) (Bill Unruh)
Re: NT faster than Linux? ("carl & janette folker")
Linux/Apache Guru Needed ($$) Update (BadMango)
Re: IP masquerading ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: IPCHAINS RULESET?? (John Strange)
Re: Problem connecting to the Samba Server!! (joseph lang)
card probs? ("cyberfiche")
Re: Network not set up correctly (Nick Kew)
Re: newbie: PPP throughput slow (jason)
smbfs filesystem ("Ting")
Re: IP masquerading ("Steve Marvin")
what is listening to a port (Fulko van Westrenen)
Re: PPP problems wit LCP timeout. (Bill Unruh)
configuring loopback (Patrick Guio)
Linux/Apache Guru Needed!($$) (BadMango)
Re: NT faster than Linux? ("Larry Brasfield")
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From: Richard Torkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on a NT-network
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:12:29 +0200
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Robert Horlings wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've just installed Linux SUSE 6.0, and I want to reach our LAN. We have a
> NT4-server in our network, with 2 printers connected to it and a modem by
> wich we can Internet. Now I want to know what programs I have to install,
> and what files I have to configure so I can print and Internet. My ethernet
> card is already set up.
>
> So:
>
> - What settings do I have to know
> - Where do i have to fill in in Linux
> - What programs do I have to install
>
- use samba.
- use swat that comes with samba.
- samba and linneighborhood
At this address you can find the needed software:
http://milkyway.thn.htu.se/~ds98rito/
Richard Torkar
--
Hoping the problem magically goes away
by ignoring it is the "microsoft approach to programming"
and should never be allowed.
(Linus Torvalds)
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From: ts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: Linux minicom login problem
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:26:19 -0400
Cory,
You may want to check out this link for PAP/CHAP help. There is good info
there. I followed this set up and connected the very first time. I am having
problems automating my set up though. But I do connect and can surf the 'net.
ts
http://axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html
Phillips wrote:
> From what I've read about the PPP HOWTO's on the web, it seems we have two
> situations.
> An ISP uses PAP/CHAP or they don't.
>
> The HOWTO's state that if they do use PAP/CHAP then you will not receive a
> login and password prompt and if they don't use PAP/CHAP you will get the
> prompts.
>
> This is not my situation. My ISP is using PAP and I also receive the user
> prompts. However, if I use minicom to try and login my ISP will not
> recognize my ID and password.
>
> cory
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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From: Lasse Kliemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Couple of quick questions
Date: 15 Apr 1999 11:34:21 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Aaron Dershem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> Another, unrelated question: How do I change the default path for all
> users? I use the set command to see the path, but I can't figure out how to
> change it.
Add the line
export PATH=$PATH:/what/you/want
to your /etc/profile for a system-wide change, or in ~/.profile for a
change just for that user.
--
Alt+F4 -- The choice of a new generation.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (urgrue)
Subject: sendmail works...now how do i receive?
Date: 15 Apr 1999 20:58:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newbie linux user here, trying to set up httpd, sendmail, pop3, etc on my
little linux box. ive got sendmail working fine, and pop3 as well. the only
complication is that i cant send mail directly from or to the linux box. it has
a fixed numerical IP but no official domain name (yet). this is the reason i
cant send FROM it, as i get a response from whoever im trying to send mail to
that the domain name must be authentic etc, which makes sense. but would this
also be why i cant write to someone on this machine? i thought a simple
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (with the real IP number) would suffice, and work. but
now that i think of it im not sure whether i need to configure some program to
receive mail, or if sendmail handles that as well. so, is there a way to get
mail working with only a numeric ip, or do i have to wait the week or two until
i get the domain name etc worked out?
second, apache obviously doesnt like this either. for some reason all browsers
ive tried, when logging into my test web page at 123.456.789.999/~testuser, i
see on the bottom of the browser that it connects, and then at some point tries
to access random.temporary.domain.name. can i do the same for apache (ie tell
it to only use the numeric IP)?
other than that, it's been only two days and im amazed i got this far! linux
isnt nearly so hard as everyone seems to think.
thanks
freddie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gernot Fink)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: I need your help!! PPP problem.
Date: 15 Apr 1999 17:14:10 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Minjung Kim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
> I'm a linux newbie.
> I've installed RH5.2.
> I couldn't make PPP connection but I don't have any idea to make it.
> The messages are below.
> ---------------------------------
> Apr 15 20:48:35 localhost pppd[675]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
> Apr 15 20:48:35 localhost ifup-ppp: pppd started for ppp0 on /dev/ttyS3
> at 115200
> Apr 15 20:48:36 localhost chat[677]: abort on (BUSY)
> Apr 15 20:48:36 localhost chat[677]: abort on (ERROR)
> Apr 15 20:48:36 localhost chat[677]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
> Apr 15 20:48:36 localhost chat[677]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
> Apr 15 20:48:36 localhost chat[677]: abort on (Invalid Login)
> Apr 15 20:48:36 localhost chat[677]: abort on (Login incorrect)
> Apr 15 20:48:36 localhost chat[677]: send (ATZ^M)
> Apr 15 20:48:36 localhost chat[677]: expect (OK)
> Apr 15 20:48:36 localhost chat[677]: ATZ^M^M
> Apr 15 20:48:36 localhost chat[677]: OK
> Apr 15 20:48:36 localhost chat[677]: -- got it
> Apr 15 20:48:36 localhost chat[677]: send (ATDT01431^M)
> Apr 15 20:48:37 localhost chat[677]: expect (CONNECT)
> Apr 15 20:48:37 localhost chat[677]: ^M
> Apr 15 20:48:58 localhost chat[677]: ATDT01431^M^M
> Apr 15 20:48:58 localhost chat[677]: CONNECT
> Apr 15 20:48:58 localhost chat[677]: -- got it
> Apr 15 20:48:58 localhost chat[677]: send (^M)
> Apr 15 20:48:58 localhost pppd[675]: Serial connection established.
> Apr 15 20:48:59 localhost pppd[675]: Using interface ppp0
> Apr 15 20:48:59 localhost pppd[675]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS3
> Apr 15 20:49:35 localhost pppd[675]: No response to PAP
> authenticate-requests
Your pppd claims the ISP? to authenificate itself.
Remove require-pap,auth or require-chap from /etc/ppp/options
and insert instead debug
Then check the logfiles in /var/log
> Apr 15 20:49:46 localhost pppd[675]: Modem hangup
> Apr 15 20:49:46 localhost pppd[675]: Connection terminated.
> Apr 15 20:49:47 localhost pppd[675]: Exit.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Plz help me!!!
> Good luck!
> Thanks.
>
>
--
MFG G.Fink
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From: Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.samba,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: NT faster than Linux?
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:12:32 GMT
In article <S2o*[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Laurie Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I received this pointer today. Comments anyone?
> >http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/nts4rhlinux.html
>
> Look at the 'Mindcraft Certification' section. Sponsored by Microsoft.
> I think the conclusion to be drawn is that Microsoft sponsorship
Look at http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/nts4rhlinux.html
Notice they never bothered to get all the RAM to work. Only 980MB or so,
so the NT is using over 4X the memory. Fair Test? Doubtful..
I do believe that LInux will support more than that. But listen to what
they say:
"The Linux kernel limited itself to use only 960 MB of RAM"
Sound like a pile of **** to me.
Let them Test an EQUIVALENT system, hardware to hardware!!!!!!
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From: Peter Buelow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: evaluating a network: HOWTO?
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:09:33 -0500
"Daniel G. Hyams" wrote:
>
> I have a home network setup -- three machines connected
> via 100bps Ethernet.
>
> Now, how to do go about evaluating the network speed? It
> it as simple as copying large files back and forth between the
> boxes, or are there tools and/or procedures to make sure that
> the network is performing as it should?
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Daniel G. Hyams
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> phone: (601) 323-4198
> -----------------------------------------------------------
Find a copy of ttcp. This is a pretty standard way of testing networks
quickly and easily. It comes as source and is generally compilable on
most systems. Give it a try. Sorry, I can't help you as to where to find
it, but it lies around various places and is free.
--
Peter Buelow
Motorola GSM/Bedrock
(847)632-6390
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From: Chad Eddings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: obtaining and IP address
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:41:16 -0500
I have the MAC address of a device on my network. I do not know the IP
address assigned to it. How can I query the device for its IP address
using it's MAC address?
TIA
Chad Eddings
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: PPP-lease help.. (not totally newbie..:)
Date: 15 Apr 1999 21:42:20 GMT
In <7el0d7$2ia$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "pts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I've set up eth0, and I'm able to send/receive packets on eth0.
>ppp0 is set up; it dials out and gets listed in /proc/net/dev. I can
>"tcpdump" from it.
>Though when, for instance, trying "ping 128.214.1.1" (ftp.funet.fi), I get
>"Network is unreachable". Same with telnet and ftp. What's my problem? I'm
>sure it's got a simple solution!
route problems. You probably have a default route on eth0
(route -n
0.0.0.0 ...... eth0)
in which case pppd will refuse to set up a default route on ppp0
Get rid of the default route
route del default
before running pppd
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From: "carl & janette folker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.samba,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: NT faster than Linux?
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:50:58 +0100
Whoever pays the piper calls the tune.
Laurie Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I received this pointer today. Comments anyone?
>
> http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/nts4rhlinux.html
>
> Cheers, Laurie.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BadMango)
Subject: Linux/Apache Guru Needed ($$) Update
Date: 15 Apr 1999 17:32:22 GMT
We are a Cambridge, MA company looking into setting up a Linux web server and
need some one with real world EXPERIENCE in Linux and Apache. In addition, this
person needs to be able to communicate with and essentially instruct the
network manager in the basics of day to day management of this system.
Professional references and a current resume required.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.os.os2.networking.misc
Subject: Re: IP masquerading
Date: 15 Apr 1999 22:04:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wonkoo Kim)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher) writes:
>>I already created "mptn\etc\trusers" file similarly, but it didn't
>>work. I could telnet to OS/2 machine, but not ftp due to invalid
>>password. I couldn't find a password setting for ftp elsewhere but
>>only in trusers file. :-(
>
>If you start up the TCP/IP configuration program (TCPCFG.EXE), there's
>a panel (under the SECURITY tab, I believe) that lets you specify the
>FTP users, their passwords, and (IIRC) what directories they can
>access. It's a seperate component from Telnet, and the FTP info isn't
>stored in the TRUSERS file.
The users info about ftp in tcpcfg.exe security page comes from
TRUSERS file. If I edit TRUSERS file, the ftp security info page of
tcpcfg.exe is updated accordingly. So they're essentially the same.
Any other tips on why I can't ftp to OS/2?
Thanks.
//--------------------------------------------------------------------
// Wonkoo Kim ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Strange)
Subject: Re: IPCHAINS RULESET??
Date: 15 Apr 1999 17:27:55 GMT
Try
http://rlz.ne.mediaone.net/linux/firewall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Does anyone have a strong ruleset they would be willing to post for me to use
: as an example? I have tried writing my own for two boxes running on a cable
: modem but when I load it I dont get any internet traffic thru...not even on
: the firewall box. I guess I just dont understand enough of the rules and how
: they work. I plan to use the first box strictly as a firewall box and the
: second is a dual boot between windoze and Linux (mandrake 5.3). I use ICQ,
: Instant messenger, mIRC, and multiplayer games. Any and all help would be
: greatly appreciated!!!
: Thanks
: Reggie
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Alcatel does not claim any responsibility for them. Warranty expired when u
opened this article and I will not be responsible for its contents or use.
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From: joseph lang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem connecting to the Samba Server!!
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:22:49 -0400
SS wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have both win98(client) and Linux(Samba Server) Machine on my network.
> While I can find the Linux machine from my win98 machine in
> network-nightborhood, but I can't get into it because when I click the linux
> icon, I was asked to input a password. after input the password, the error
> message"invalid password, try again" come out.
> I don't know why... Please help ^_^
>
> P.S. I can login linux machine by telnet and ftp from my win98 machine
Assuming you typed the correct password (watch your case) You may be stumbling
over "plain text password" the default for windoze is encrypt passwords and
the default for samba is plain text passwords
look in the samba docs for the registry entry needed for plain text or
configure samba for encrypted passwords.
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From: "cyberfiche" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: card probs?
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:02:01 -0400
Hi,
I can't get any of my network stuff to work. I've been over the nameservers
and domains and all that many many times. So maybe I don't have the card
setup right. (It works great in Windows) I have a 3com 905b. The only way
I could get the machine to give me something other than "unknown interface"
was to put "alias eth0 3c59x" in the conf.modules. Any suggestions?
Here's the ifconfig output.
/sbin/ifconfig eth0
eth0
Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
unspec addr: 0.0.0.0 Bcast: 0.0.0.0 Mask: 0.0.0.0
BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
Interrupt:11 Basr address: 0xd000
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Kew)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,redhat.general
Subject: Re: Network not set up correctly
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:23:52 +0000
> ``Interfaces'' window it gives a list of interfaces, being l0 and ppp0.
^^
Where is that typo? If you really wrote l0 then fix it now.
And check /etc/hosts
--
Nick Kew
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From: jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie: PPP throughput slow
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:35:39 -0400
Michael Lachance wrote:
>
> just installed Rehat 5.2 and got PPP to work without trouble but PPP
> performance is terrible - usually 200-300 bytes per second for http and
> ping to upstream DNS in 500-1000 ms range with Motorola Lifestyle 28.8
> modem. Same ISP and same modem with Win95 performs great.
This says to me: "he needs to use the initialization string Windows uses!
Why? I had a similar problem (ppp worked fine, until ISP changed something, then
I started getting super-slow connections under Linux, but fast ones under Windows).
Here is how I solved it:
===================
Look in the Windows registry under
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Modem
Find the modem (should be 0000, 0001 or some such I suppose), click on the plus sign
next to it to open it up, and look for a key called 'Init'. Click on it, and you
should see
your initialization string in the right pane. Copy it down, boot Linux, and put it in
your chat script. Away you go (hopefully)!
Of course, your mileage may vary. I don't know if your registry will look exactly the
same as mine, but it's worth a shot.
====================
As for your other questions, I don't know. But with any luck, you'll be able to find
the answers to them on the net... under Linux. :-)
Hope this helps,
-jason
(to reply via email, make the appropriate substitution in my email address)
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From: "Ting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: smbfs filesystem
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:06:53 -0700
Hi,
Has anybody successfully mounted "smbfs" filesystems using
the standard "mount" program? I tried "mount -t smbfs //host/share"
The mount program just doesn't like "smbfs". I compiled "smbfs"
module into the kernel.Still no luck.
"smbmount" command works fine for me.
I am using RedHat 5.2 with kernel 2.0.36. Thanks
-Ting
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From: "Steve Marvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.networking.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: IP masquerading
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:14:22 -0400 (EDT)
Reply-To: "Steve Marvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:43:43 GMT, Lew Pitcher wrote:
=DBOn 15 Apr 1999 19:22:32 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
=DB
=DB>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)=
writes:
=DB>>I could send you my own set of rules in a few days -- right now I h=
ave
=DB>>the monitor on my second IntelliStation (still doing some initial O=
S
=DB>>installation stuff), and I won't have time to get it back to the 48=
6
=DB>>until sometime Friday or Saturday.
=DB>
=DB>I'm very grateful if you send your files.
=DB>I think I missed something.
=DB>
=DB>>>Oh, one more question: Why do I fail ftp login to OS/2 machine,
=DB>>>while I can telnet to OS/2? (OS/2 Warp 4) I have invalid passwor=
d
=DB>>>error from ftp login. I thought password should be the same betwe=
en
=DB>>>telnet and ftp logins. What did I miss?
=DB>>
=DB>>OS/2's FTP server uses this file:
=DB>>
=DB>> X:\MPTN\ETC\TRUSERS (where X: is your boot drive letter)
=DB>>
=DB>>to control FTP logins and access. See the "TCP/IP Readme" file tha=
t
=DB>>comes in Warp 4 as X:\TCPIP\HELP\README.INF for information about t=
he
=DB>>syntax.
=DB>>
=DB>>Here is the example from the TCP/IP Readme (the userid in the examp=
le
=DB>>is "test" and the password is "info"):
=DB>>
=DB>>user: test info
=DB>>rd: e:\public f:\socks g:\mail
=DB>>wr: d:\newinfo
=DB>>default: e:\public
=DB>
=DB>I already created "mptn\etc\trusers" file similarly, but it didn't
=DB>work. I could telnet to OS/2 machine, but not ftp due to invalid
=DB>password. I couldn't find a password setting for ftp elsewhere but
=DB>only in trusers file. :-(
=DB
=DBIf you start up the TCP/IP configuration program (TCPCFG.EXE), there'=
s
=DBa panel (under the SECURITY tab, I believe) that lets you specify the=
=DBFTP users, their passwords, and (IIRC) what directories they can
=DBaccess. It's a seperate component from Telnet, and the FTP info isn't=
=DBstored in the TRUSERS file.
The move away from the TRUSERS file happened with TCPIP 4.1, prior to
that (including the base Warp Tcpip) used this file, whether you edit
the file or use the Setup->Tcpip Config.
One thing to check here is that the ftpd is not of a later version than
the rest of the stack.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fulko van Westrenen)
Subject: what is listening to a port
Date: 15 Apr 1999 17:26:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
I try to find out which program is listening to a certain port.
Netstat -a provides a long list with port numbers and I want to
know what is behind all those port numbers.
Who can help?
Best,
Fulko
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: PPP problems wit LCP timeout.
Date: 15 Apr 1999 22:16:53 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jongmook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Also, the response from the 'Earthlink' server is so slow, I have added
>the option
>Mar 11 09:17:01 grace chat[2357]: send (ATZ^M)
>Mar 11 09:17:01 grace chat[2357]: expect (OK)
>Mar 11 09:17:20 grace chat[2357]: ATZ^M^M
>Mar 11 09:17:20 grace chat[2357]: OK
You have IRQ problems. try running
setserial /dev/ttyS2 autoconfigure auto_irq
Also your Com1 and com3 may be in conflict. Do you have a serial
mouse?
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From: Patrick Guio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: configuring loopback
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:44:00 +0000
Hello
I am running RedHat5.2 on a Toshiba Satellite 310CDT.
I want to use Matlab whichs use the Flexlm license manager both
when I am connected to the network and not.
The license manager is running correctly when I am on the network but
not when I am not. I read that I should be able to ping or telnet
myhostname anyway.
My question is how should I configure the network so that when I am not on
the network I would still be able to telnet/ping hostname
I have tried to add in /etc/hosts the hostname to the localhost :
127.0.0.1 localhost hostname hostname.domainname
so that I can telnet/ping but still the license manager complains that it
cannot reach the hostname (Network unreachable)
Is there another way so that I could telnet/ping hostname ?
Best regards
Patrick Guio
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BadMango)
Subject: Linux/Apache Guru Needed!($$)
Date: 15 Apr 1999 16:41:58 GMT
We are looking into setting up a Linux web server at my company and need some
one with real world EXPERIENCE in Linux and Apache. In addition, this person
needs to be able to communicate with and essentially instruct the network
manager in the basics of managing this system. Professional references are a
definite plus! Current resume required.
------------------------------
From: "Larry Brasfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.samba,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: NT faster than Linux?
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:49:40 GMT
Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7f56lp$r2f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <S2o*[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Laurie Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >I received this pointer today. Comments anyone?
> > >http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/nts4rhlinux.html
> >
> > Look at the 'Mindcraft Certification' section. Sponsored by Microsoft.
> > I think the conclusion to be drawn is that Microsoft sponsorship
>
> Look at http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/nts4rhlinux.html
>
> Notice they never bothered to get all the RAM to work. Only 980MB or so,
> so the NT is using over 4X the memory. Fair Test? Doubtful..
> I do believe that LInux will support more than that. But listen to what
> they say:
>
> "The Linux kernel limited itself to use only 960 MB of RAM"
Under "Windows NT Server 4.0 Configuration", it says:
Used 1024 MB of RAM (set maxmem=1024 in boot.ini)
> Sound like a pile of **** to me.
Depending on what "****" is, that may be overstated.
I don't see why they did not tell NTS to use 960 MB,
but it could be an adjustment that reflects differences
between how Linux kernel usage is reported and
what the maxmem parameter means to NT. Still,
960 is close enough to 1024 that it takes a lot of
wishful thinking to make much of the difference.
> Let them Test an EQUIVALENT system, hardware to hardware!!!!!!
Under "Configuration and Tuning" they claimed:
We used the same Dell PowerEdge 6300/400 to test
both Windows NT Server 4.0 and Red Hat Linux 5.2
upgraded to the Linux 2.2.2 kernel.
Near the end of the report, Mindcraft states:
Our test results should be reproducible by others
using the same test lab configuration, the same
Dell computer, and the software configurations
and modifications documented in this report.
I think their results deserve credence for what
they mean on that system with those benchmarks.
Any benchmarking effort is subject to bias in what
benchmarks are chosen, so the ~3x result might not
apply in applications that matter to most people. I
would not be surprised, given the development
environment in which Linux gets tweaked, if it has
been optimized more for smaller systems. But I
think it is a mistake to write off Mindcraft's result
as "rigged" without better evidence.
(Bias warning: I am an ex-employee of Microsoft
who does not believe in the "Evil Empire" notion.
I am also a Linux fan and user, but not a "convert".)
--
--Larry Brasfield
Above opinions may be mine alone.
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