At 10:58 PM 5/19/99 +0000, Richard Adams wrote [in part]:
>I presume i am not the only one that is seeing long delays in mail
>acceptance and delivery at vger.
....
>It seems the mail stayed in a queue for 2+ days at vger, or at least
>according to the headers above.
>
>Am i the only one or are there more folks seeing this.?

I assume this is a rhetorical question -- you know how to read e-mail
headers as well as I do, and the headers you sent make it obvious that, at
least recently, mail on vger is being queued for an extraordinarily long
time. Interestingly, I'm not seeing similarly long queue times on the
linux-ppp list (more like 4 hours than the days linux-newbie is experiencing).

The real question is: what can be done about it? I fear the answer is
"nothing." linux-newbie is, to put it mildly, not very actively managed by
its owner; witness the extraordinary persistance of the Richard Harrison
bounce problems. Mail I sent on that problem to owner-linux-newbie (and even
to [EMAIL PROTECTED], an alias that by SMTP standards is supposed
to be read by a real live person) goes unanswered, and the problem goes unfixed.

We might make a fuss about this, but I fear that doing so will be
counterproductive. I infer from the neglect that linux-newbie survives at
vger on sufference, not as a high-priority item. Too much complaining might
result in the list's terminaton instead of any improvement, and that would
be a bad loss ... even poorly administered, this list is a real value to the
Linux community. 

So I guess we need simply to put up with these delays ... perhaps
accommodating to them, as I do, by replying directlt to the actual poster as
well as to the list ... that way, at least the individual who asked a
question gets a quicker answer, even if the rest of us have to wait ... and
wait ... and wait ....

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