Linux-Setup Digest #81, Volume #19 Wed, 5 Jul 00 08:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Stupid me, forgot to run /sbin/lilo... ("Andrew E. Schulman")
Which partition do I install linux to? ("Rich S")
Re: Wrong major or minor number --but it's wrong (Eric)
Re: Q: Which distributions support partitionless installations? (Cameron Kerr)
Use of TV-out? (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rasmus_B=F8g_Hansen?=)
upgrade of Redhat 6.0 to 6.2 (Andrey Shipsha)
Mail Needs for Dialup ISP user (Cameron Kerr)
Distribution reviews (Cameron Kerr)
Re: upgrade of Redhat 6.0 to 6.2 (Paul Black)
Re: Weird Dual Boot Problem?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Mounting an ATAPI CD-RW (Darko)
Re: upgrade of Redhat 6.0 to 6.2 (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rasmus_B=F8g_Hansen?=)
Re: The Big Dogs and the Tech Shitzus. ("Jeffrey Gudmann")
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From: "Andrew E. Schulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stupid me, forgot to run /sbin/lilo...
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 05:56:25 -0400
> The information you got from Andrew below is all pretty good, but, the
> problem that you encountered trying to make the boot disc appears to be
> the syntax of the dd command. I have no experience using it the way
> that Andrew suggested.
>
> Try instead using the standard -if & -of parameters. eg:
>
> dd -if=<kernelfile> -of=/dev/fd0 -bs=512
The other syntax that I gave, dd < kernelfile > /dev/fd0, works for the
stripped-down version of dd that comes in the rescue file system. It
should also work for standard dd. But with standard dd, the bs=512
option is also a good idea, although I think that's the default. I've
also seen people use other options:
dd if=kernelfile of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 conv=sync ; sync
I guess the extra syncs are a good idea although I've never had a
problem not using them.
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From: "Rich S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Which partition do I install linux to?
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:17:24 +0100
Hi,
I'm getting a 20 GB h/drive and am going to partition it for Win98 and
Linux.
Basically I want first 2gb for Win. Other than that I am going to have 5gb
for linux and the rest for data/apps (will be a windows partition).
The question is this, I read somewhere that it is important that linux
resides in a partition below a certain cluster number of the h/drive. Hence
this would affect the layout of my partitions. Could someone please clarify
this for me.
I tried installing linux before and ended up killing a windows partition,
windows couldnt cope and it trashed my h/drive. So I am being v. careful
this time. I am thinking of going for SUSE6.4, any comments/other ideas?
Cheers
Rich.
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From: Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Wrong major or minor number --but it's wrong
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:55:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just had to try this, and at my system it makes no difference, but
then again I didn't have a mounting problem to start with.
Eric
Rob Harvey wrote:
>
> "I didn't change the permission yet, but I don't think it sould
> make a difference in mounting it."
>
> Not the permissions, I think, but the owners of the nodes. You
> created a new node but if it doesn't have the correct group
> (disk), you may not be able to mount.
>
> I'm not sure on this, so tell me if it makes a difference.
>
> Rob Harvey
> Programmer, Networker, Consultant.
> Specializing in C++, Java and Linux systems.
>
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>
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From: Cameron Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Q: Which distributions support partitionless installations?
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:46:10 +1200
Gonzo wrote:
>
> I know that RH 6.2 can be installed partitionless but I have no idea which
> other (if any) distributions also support partitionless installs. Anybody
> know of any another?
>
> T.I.A.
Redhat 6.2 (No experiance with this)
Mandrake (Lin4Win)
Slackware (ZipSlack) (Cam fit on a zip disk with no X)
Slackware (BigSlack) (No experience)
There are probably others, but you'd probably ahve a hard time finding
solutions for anything other than FAT
--
/*
* Cameron Kerr
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Computer Science Student (Geek in Training)
*/
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rasmus_B=F8g_Hansen?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Use of TV-out?
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:41:48 +0200
Hi.
I am helping a friend to install RedHat 6.2 on his machine. However he
asked, if it is possible to use the TV-out connector on the video card (a
STB velocity 128). Normal setup of the card is no problem (I have a
riva128 based card myself), but I had no answer to the TV-out question. I
looked around in my documentation, and at last I found the man page for
fbset. It tells me, that fbset is able to turn 'video broadcast' on/off,
and mentions NTSC and PAL. Is this the way to enable the TV-out connector?
Also he asked about MPEG video players. I know of mpegtv, but is not
really impressed. Are there any other mpeg video players around out there?
Thanks.
Rasmus B�g Hansen
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From: Andrey Shipsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: upgrade of Redhat 6.0 to 6.2
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:34:12 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
Could anyone share their experience on upgrading the Redhat, please?
I want to upgrade my RH6.0 to 6.2 version. Do I have to make a back-up
copy of the /etc directory? What's else should I do?
Any help or a link with relevant information is very appreciated!
Thank you,
Andrey.
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From: Cameron Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mail Needs for Dialup ISP user
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:59:52 +1200
Hello group
Could someone point me to a mailer / mail system that is ideal for a
standalone Linux box.
Currently I am am using netscape, but want an character based mailer,
like pine.
I had tried qmail, fed with fetchmail, and my MUA was Pine. I could
receive but when I send mail, the from wouldn't change to my ISP email
account, even though I had followed the instructions in the qmail
documentation. But that's just not suited for this kind of setup, and I
don't really want to run large systems like sendmail.
A MTA that suits dial-up connections to ISP accounts would be great.
That way I could still use Pine, which I really like.
It needs to be character based so I can use it over a rather brain-dead
terminal emulator that I have in the lounge.
/*
* Cameron Kerr
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Computer Science Student (Geek in Training)
*/
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From: Cameron Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Distribution reviews
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:10:32 +1200
Hello wonderful netters.
I have just put my web-site up, and would like to post reviews, specs
sheets of the various linux-distributions that are about.
I have done (and am doing) a review for slackware, but I thought it best
to get users with more experience to do the other reviews, in order to
do them justice.
All I ask is that the reviews be objective, and honest, and avoid
subjective issues as easy to install, easy to use, and instead state the
reasons that might make it easy to se, easy to install.
CREDIT FOR EACH REVIEW WILL GO TO THOSE THAT SUBMIT THEM, IF YOU WISH
Go have a look, at http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/cameronk
You'll find the format there (feel free to make suggestions)
The site is in it's infancy, so take it with a grain of salt.
PS. The site is designed to be low-bandwidth, without compromising on
looks
Thanks for reading
/*
* Cameron Kerr
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Computer Science Student (Geek in Training)
*/
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From: Paul Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: upgrade of Redhat 6.0 to 6.2
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:07:23 +0100
Andrey Shipsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Could anyone share their experience on upgrading the Redhat, please?
>
> I want to upgrade my RH6.0 to 6.2 version. Do I have to make a back-up
> copy of the /etc directory? What's else should I do?
I upgraded from 6.1 to 6.2 without any trouble (you get an upgrade
option in the install).
You shouldn't need to backup data but do it in case something goes
wrong! This goes for _ALL_ data, not just /etc.
Paul
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.corel,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Weird Dual Boot Problem??
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:20:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alister Smith wrote:
> >
> > I installed Corel Linux 1.1 and Win98SE on the same hard disk (Win98
> > on paritition one - Linux on partition two). At boot up I use Corel
> > Boot Manager (or whatever they call it) to select the OS I want.
> >
> > However........when I run Parition Magic 5.0 in Win98 I get a
serious
> > error message claiming that there are dire problems on my hard disk.
> > (Partition Table errors!!) Yet - both Windows and Linux appear to
run
> > OK. Is this normal?
>
> I have never used partition magic but it may be seeing lilo as a
> corrupted MBR.
>
> > I am also curious as to the correct method of installing this <dual
> > boot> setup. Initially I tried creating an ext2 Linux partition on
the
> > hard disk (using Partition Magic) - but Corel Install express did
not
> > offer this as an installation option (the button was greyed out).
> > Seems it looks for <free/unallocated space> and would only allow me
to
> > either take over the whole hard disk (didn't want that) or install
in
> > an exisiting DOS/Windows parition (no dual boot facility and mega
> > slow).
> >
> > So, I just shrank my Win98 partition and left the remainder of the
> > disk as <unallocated space>. Corel 1.1 installed fine into that. Is
> > this the right way to do it?
>
> Yes that is the way I always did it and never had problems. Either OS
> can be reinstalled without causing problems with the other.
>
> > Also, do I assume correctly that Corel Linux 1.1 will not install
into
> > a partition beyond the second partition? I tried installing into a
> > third partition I had created - but the Install Express program kept
> > encountering errors - so I gave that one up in a hurry.
>
> You were possibly trying to install above the 1024 cylinder limit
which
> comes in to the picture somewhere around 8 GB.
>
> > The only other option I can see (to avoid the PM 5.0 errors) is to
> > install Corel Linux 1.1 by itself on my second hard disk. But then I
> > would have to muck about inside the box changing jumpers around and
> > all that stuff (not so keen on this).
> >
> > Any ideas most gratefully received. TIA.
> >
> > Alister
> >
> >
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Let me add, I tried installing Corel Linux 1.1 (brand new CD from
Corel), and got essentially the same results. According to Partition
Magic, the extended partitions had overlaps, and it very nearly blew
everything away. I was able to use Partiton Manager to correct the
partition tables, so I think I'm back running again, but it was a close
call. Partition Magic kind of refused to deal with it, which is
disappointing, as otherwise it seems like a good product. Anyway, what
I did not get was the Corel Boot Manager, so even though it's
installed, I cannot seem to boot it. I looked through the partitions,
and they look basically all there, but the Corel Boot manager doesn't
come up when I try to boot from the partition. I booted SuSE Linux,
which was already installed on the system, and can see the Corel
partitions, and they basically look similar, but LILO nor Corel Linux
Boot manager come up.
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darko)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Mounting an ATAPI CD-RW
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:28:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gareth Howell wrote:
>
>I can't seem to mount CD's though.
>I've tried mounting /dev/scd0 and I get something like "Wrong major or
>minor number"
>
Try with /dev/sr0 etc. Use the device ide-scsi module reports during
initalization. dmesg might give some hints.
Cheers, Darko
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rasmus_B=F8g_Hansen?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: upgrade of Redhat 6.0 to 6.2
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:35:12 +0200
On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Paul Black wrote:
> Andrey Shipsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Could anyone share their experience on upgrading the Redhat, please?
> >
> > I want to upgrade my RH6.0 to 6.2 version. Do I have to make a back-up
> > copy of the /etc directory? What's else should I do?
>
> I upgraded from 6.1 to 6.2 without any trouble (you get an upgrade
> option in the install).
I have got the same experience: no problems. But I find 6.2 a lot better
than 6.0, so I recommend the upgrade.
> You shouldn't need to backup data but do it in case something goes
> wrong! This goes for _ALL_ data, not just /etc.
Real men don't take backup - but cries bitterly when data are lost ;-)
Rasmus B�g Hansen
---
He has his own opinions
- just like the others.
-- Burnin' Red Ivanhoe
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From: "Jeffrey Gudmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.turbolinux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: The Big Dogs and the Tech Shitzus.
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:40:25 GMT
Mike
To use a quaint Australian expression - GUTZ EFFORT !!!
Your comments and suggestions make a lotta sense IMHO.
Particularly like the idea about the TEST MODE.
I have been frigging round with linux for about 2 years now
and can sorta "find my way round". I would hate to think what would
happen to some poor sod who was only use to Win98 and got a copy
of a linux distro on a computer magazine, installed it, mistakenly chose
during the set up to format hda5 (containing all his/her important data
or backups) cos it seemed like a good thing to do) and then opted
to install the boot loader (lilo or worse still grub) to the MBR. Later
after
playing around with Linux decided to scrub the linux partition and wondered
what had happened to the Win98 boot-up.
This sort of scenario would really give Linux a BAD NAME.
Call me a pedantic a*&#hole, but I like things that work, and work properly.
I have lost count on the number of Linux distros I've tried.
You try another coz the one you're using is missing a certain feature, then
you find another that has it but is missing something else and the vicious
circle
begins - trying to find that elusive perfect Linux Distro!!
Then you settle on a Distro that's acceptable and subsequently make the
fatal error - upgrading or getting hold of the next version !!!! And you
find out that things have changed in the next version (like the boot
loader is grub and grub alone now) or the latest version has been
rushed out and is as buggy as hell.
Don't get me wrong - I luuv Linux - but, if Linux is going to succeed in
popularity,
then I believe that the Distro producers should get their act together and
address
amongst other things the points you raise in your commentary.
Ah, it feels better now that I've got that off my chest.
Anyway, enjoyed reading your discertation. When can we expect WarnerLinux
!!!!
Jeff
PS Who is Tatanya - (in best Homer Simpson voice) hhmmmmmmmmmm Tatanya
Oops, sorry - hope she's not your wife/partner - with a comment like
that !!!
Mike Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> TurboShitzu is a mess. Have any of you installed a minumum software set
> and then gone in and tried to do the REAL install using turbopkg? Have
> you noticed that
>
> 1. There is no way to select EVERYTHING? That you have to go down the
> entire f--king list, checking the packages one at a time? Have you
> noticed that turbopkg erupts with a segmentation violation wile trying
> to install one of the network packages? EVERY TIME IN THE SAME PLACE?
>
> At least Mandrake has an EVERYTHING option on *its* package installer.
> Guess I'm not the only one that things its a NO-BRAINER.
>
> 2. Have you noticed that if you select writing the boot loader to the
> root partition that you have NO SUBSEQUENT OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A BOOT
> FLOPPY? Boy, what a bunch of friggin geniuses.
>
> About the only good thing I can say about TurboShitzu is that it doesn't
> hose down any other partitions. Try the "rain" release of Storm--the one
> given away in the June issue of Linux Magazine ("Storm" is Sudanese for
> "shitzu"--honest). Yea, notice how the place you end up writing the boot
> loader is buried in a menu option rather than being out front where it
> should be. Notice how, even if you write the boot loader to the root
> partition, it hoses the MBR on C: anyway. Thank god that, compared with
> *these* wankers, I *AM* a bloody genius, so I was able to get the MBR
> back without reinstalling NT. Thank god for *them* that is, because I'm
> quite capable of making a special trip right to their office door where
> I would show them that it is in the long-term interest of their personal
> physical well being that they pull their little pin heads out of their
> pukey little asses. Now where was I?
>
> Now I will give you the short course on how a CORRECT installation
> architecture should proceed.
>
> To begin with,
>
> - the initial installation is NOT the place to be installing monster
> software packages. How many of you have loaded down the platter with a
> gig of software only to find out that you can't boot? The *initial*
> installation should be concerned with ONE THING ONLY: creating
> partitions, setting up recovery mechanisms, and installing a bare-bones
> bootable system. THEN, when you find that everything is copasetic, and
> you've actually logged-in and are grinning from pie-hole to ass-hole,
> NOW start installing the platter-busting mega-system. Fawk. Do I have to
> do everything myself? Apparently.
>
> - Furthermore, the installation should have a TEST MODE that allows you
> to simply create partitions and do a pseudo-boot into the root where you
> would sit and be able to do nothing but reboot. After finding that, yes,
> Margaret, I can create partitions and boot into them using whatever boot
> system I HAVE ALREADY SELECTED, then and only then would the
> installation continue. In essence, the Installation would not be
> SEQUENTIAL; it would be DIRECT-ACCESS and have enough intelligence to
> know what has to be done before what.
>
> - The installation should be able to restore the system to the state it
> was in just before the moment of installation. GUARANTEED. Installing a
> linux system should be COMPLETELY WITHOUT RISK. Period f--king end.
>
> -- If you can't give a WRITTEN GUARANTEE that your distro will NOT
> NEGATIVELY IMPACT the current state of your box, then get out of the
> game. You got no business in it. You're a piss-ant. You can't run with
> the Big Dogs. You're a Tech Shitzu. Get off my leg.
>
> Mike
> --
> http://www.bigfoot.com/~warnerm
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