Linux-Setup Digest #114, Volume #19 Sat, 8 Jul 00 18:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: The Big Dogs and the Tech Shitzus. (C.J.)
Re: usb and printers (Konstantinos Agouros)
Re: Where to do this? (C.J.)
Re: is there a port to windows media player? (C.J.)
Re: IDE Adaptor problem in Rhat 6.2 install (JASON SNYDER)
Re: HELP My Networking is in Delay! (Bit Twister)
Re: Voodoo 3 on Redhat 6.2 - Need RPM (Mark Eackloff)
Stupid question?? VFAT partitions (Hugh Campbell)
Re: Automatic startup of scripts (Mark Eackloff)
Re: Stupid question?? VFAT partitions (C.J.)
Re: Stupid question?? VFAT partitions ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
cdrom mounting "lost interuppt" need help please (Richard Murphy)
Re: Stupid question?? VFAT partitions (Hugh Campbell)
Re: Swap "Busy" in Debian Install ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Warning! -- SONY SUBSTANDARD SERVICE! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Unpack gmosamba. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Userconf
Re: Warning! -- SONY SUBSTANDARD SERVICE! (David Efflandt)
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C.J.)
Subject: Re: The Big Dogs and the Tech Shitzus.
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 19:02:54 GMT
In article <ePd95.85661$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Doesn't Dialpad.com run on the browser in a java virtual machine? Will it
>not run on Netscape?
>
>At any rate, I always have a couple nodes that dual-boot into W98 for just
>such occasions.
According to thier help section, though it is a java applet, it takes
advantage of some Windows-specific features/device-drivers and will not work
on anything other than Windows. They say they have a Mac version under
developement, but NONE of the PC-to-phone sites I have found have Linux
support and if they mention it at all it's about how to configure IPMASQ, or
to say that they have no plans to support Linux.
I wish dial-pad.com would work with the Linux community to get some kind of
support, even if it were something that had to be installed. Lets face it,
a great many of us are either cheap, or are working-stiff types that will take
advantage of a chance to save money if we can.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Konstantinos Agouros)
Subject: Re: usb and printers
Date: 8 Jul 2000 09:50:50 +0200
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>has anyone used a usb printer under linux?
>i have a HP deskjet 895Cxi , i can make it being recognized but i donnot
>know how to print with usb...
>can anyone help me?
You built Your Kernel with usb-printer-support? You did a modprobe printer?
And you created the appropriate device and used it instead of /dev/lp0?
Konstantin
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Dipl-Inf. Konstantin Agouros aka Elwood Blues. Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Otkerstr. 28, 81547 Muenchen, Germany. Tel +49 89 69370185
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"Captain, this ship will not sustain the forming of the cosmos." B'Elana Torres
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C.J.)
Subject: Re: Where to do this?
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 19:13:25 GMT
Actually, I don't think RedHat chose them. They mirror runlevels that existed
before RedHat. (Before Linux for that matter I believe.)
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:01:29 -0700, RMB said:
>>What does the 5 and 3 mean?
>
>They are just arbitrary numbers which Redhat chose to represent
>graphical and text logins, respectively. 3 and 4 or 4 and 5 could also
>have been used.
>
>These things are called runlevels - type 'man init' and 'man inittab'
>to get more information.
>
>Robie.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.x
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C.J.)
Subject: Re: is there a port to windows media player?
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 19:17:09 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Mike Frisch) wrote:
>On Sat, 08 Jul 2000 18:14:19 GMT, C.J. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Why? The sound quality of .asp sucks seriously.
>
>Perhaps, but there are plenty of .asp only sources on the net. My local
>radio station only supports Windows Media Player which leaves me high and
>dry in Linux.
Yeah, I have to conceed on that one. My favorite local radio station also
only uses .asp format. Wonder why so many ppl are using .asp when the sound
quality is so poor. Is MS giving the .asp server away with IIS now too?
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From: JASON SNYDER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IDE Adaptor problem in Rhat 6.2 install
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 19:43:07 GMT
Read (Re: ATTN: Promise Ultra66 owners).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bit Twister)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,list.linux-activists.questions
Subject: Re: HELP My Networking is in Delay!
Reply-To: This_news_group.invalid
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 19:50:24 GMT
some have had problems like yours. Their fix was to swap the
ethernet wires on the back of the pc. When they put the second
nic in, it became eth0 instead of eth1.
Be sure to reset/power cycle the cable modem. It will only
talk to the nic it sees when it starts up.
here is how I have my linux firewall setup
Except for 192.168.x.x (Private network) numbers
these ip addresses are for this discussion.
eth0 and eth1 Network Interface Cards (nic) are in my firewall.
eth1 numbers can be left out if you do not have one.
Your ip numbers can come from win9x
Click Start, Run winipcfg MoreInfo on win9x box
If you have dynamic address (dhcpcd), the host name give by
your isp may be required or Some ISP have to put the nic
card's MAC address into their database. Not having one or the
other correct will cause dhcpcd to fail.
Some people have problems when they put the second nic in the
machine. What can happen is the new card becomes eth0.
Check nic mac address (HWaddr) with "ifconfig" before
and after second nic install.
24.x.x.xx is your isp assigned address.
24.x.x.1 is your isp gateway.
Some cable modems must be powercycled/reset if nic card is
not the one connected when cablemodem was last reset/powered up.
Change dhcp to none in netcfg if you have a static ip address.
x .--------cablemodem--------ISPgateway-----Internet
x | ^
x | `----- 24.x.x.1
x `----------eth0_fw_eth1-----hub----lanbox
^ ^ ^
| | |
24.x.x.xx 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.20
lan gateway
To set up routing info, run
netcfg
Names
Hostname: cxxx-b
Domain: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Search for hostnames empty
Nameservers: Primary ISP DNS ip address
Secondary ISP DNS ip address
Hosts
127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost
192.168.1.10 fw.domain lanbox
192.168.1.1 fw.domain fw
24.x.x.xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] cxxx-b
Interfaces
lo 127.0.0.1 none yes active
eth0 24.x.x.xx dhcp yes active
eth1 192.168.1.1 none yes active
(change proto dhcp to none if using static ip address)
Routing
check Forwarding
Default Gateway: 24.x.x.1
Default Gateway Device: eth0
Check your DSN resolution order with a
cat /etc/host.conf
order hosts,bind
multi on
linuxconf (Redhat, Mandrake) will let you set what module to use
with your nic card.
Check 4 correct module for NIC card
cat /etc/conf.modules
alias eth0 tulip # for linksys nic
To reset routing and cards, the Redhat/Mandrake command is,
/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart
To test both ends of the firewall box:
ping -c 1 lanbox to test local network
ping -c 1 199.183.24.225 to test nic to cablemodem network
ping -c 1 redhat.com to test DNS and gateway
Some sites to look at, if you cannot get the above to work.
http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/linbasics.x.html-ssi and
http://www.mandrakeuser.org/connect/index.html
This built me a tight ipchain firewall rule set
http://linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/firewall/index.html
I used DENY, hardcoded external addresses, logged everything.
As part of the instruction and if you read the script, it will
give several suggestions as to where you install the firewall
and turn on IP Masquerading.
You might want to read Armoring Linux
http://www.enteract.com/~lspitz/linux.html
and http://www.securityportal.com/lskb/articles/
and http://www.securityportal.com/lasg/
On Sat, 08 Jul 2000 19:01:10 GMT, OverByte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>ARGH! *Newbie Alert*
>
>Ok, I had my Linux system up and working GREAT! (RH6.2) Had just
>successfully upgraded the kernel (2.2.16-3smp) and installed all of the
>security upgrade erattas. Everything was cooking. It had one NIC (3COM
>503b) connected to my cable modem served hub. Networking was working great.
>. all was right with the world.
>
>So it was time to move on to the next project. Setting up the Linux box as
>a firewall. First I started with installing a second nic (Intel Etherpro
>100). Never got it working. Kudzu found the card and suppossedly
>installed it. But I couldn't get it to work. Either DHCP (My Cable modem
>provider uses DHCP, and I have two addresses available) or static IP. Eth0
>kept working fine, but never could I get eth1 online. Constantly it would
>fail. When I attempted to bring it up using 'ifup eth1' I get the message
>'Delaying Eth1 initilization' And nothing happens. After countless
>combinations of installtion, and uninstalling both cards, and messing with
>the ip configurations to attempt to get eth1 online, I finally gave up. So
>I reconfigured the hardware back to the origional setup, and all of the
>networking parameters in linuxconf back to how they were before I started
>this mess.
>
>AaAARGH! Now Eth0 is " Delaying startup'. Remove. . reinstall. . . no
>help. At this point I can't get my Linux box to initialize my NIC! It
>KNOWS they are there. . .it just wont initialize them. What am I missing?
--
The warranty and liability expired as you read the message.
If the above breaks your system, it's yours and you keep both pieces.
Practice safe computing. Backup the file before you change it.
Do a, man every_command_here, before doing anything or running a script.
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From: Mark Eackloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 3dfx.products.voodoo3,alt.games.3dfx,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Voodoo 3 on Redhat 6.2 - Need RPM
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 16:03:33 -0400
John Doe wrote:
> I have Red Hat Linux 6.2 connected to my Vibe connection (works Beautifully)
> but I cant get the RPM's for my Voodoo 3 2000. linux.3dfx.com is down so I
> am S.O.L. Does any one have the RPM's?
>
> Thanks
You can get drivers from www.XFree86.org. They won't be in rpm format so you
will have to
read the documentation and configure.
I recently aquired the Voodoo3 3000 and had to upgrade XFree86 to version 4.0
which had the
driver (tdfx) included.
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From: Hugh Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Stupid question?? VFAT partitions
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:10:27 GMT
This is probably a stupid question.
I boot multiple OS'es on my computer, and I want all of them to be able
to see the same mail directory.
In other words, I want Netscape Mail under Linux to be able to store my
mail files on a VFAT partition on C: (ie the same directory where all my
other Netscapes store my mail when I am running W95, OS/2 v 3, OS/2 v 4,
etc. All installations of Netscape on my other partitions point to my
C: drive, so that I can keep all my mail in one place, regardless of
what partition/OS I am booting.
Under any of my Linux distros, I can't write to my C: file unless I have
root privileges. But since VFAT drives don't understand such things as
file permissions, CHMOD, etc on the directory doesn't seem to have any
effect.
I have checked the options for the MOUNT command, but can't spot any
that permit read/write privileges to ordinary users. However, a large
part of my problem is no doubt just total unfamiliarity with the system.
How do I set up my FSTAB so that ordinary users have write access to the
C: drive? I don't want to have to log in as root every time just to get
my mail.
Any and all suggestions gratefully received. Any and all flames
regarding RTFM probably warranted, but I just can't spot the answer in
any of the help material, man pages, etc.
Hugh Campbell
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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From: Mark Eackloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Automatic startup of scripts
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 16:13:45 -0400
Patrick Lim wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a script that needs to be started automatically
> when the machine boots up.
> I put it in the /etc/init.d with a link pointing to it from the
> /etc/rc.d/rc3.d directory.
> In other words:
>
> ln -s /etc/rc.d/S90sybase ../init.d/S90sybase
>
> Nothing happens, what am I doing wrong?
>
> And how do I shut it down?
>
> Thanks,
> Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Have you made sure you have execute permissions turned on for your
script and everything else it executes?
(chmod +x /etc/rc.d/init.d/S90sybase)
I figure you do but I thought I'd ask.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C.J.)
Subject: Re: Stupid question?? VFAT partitions
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:20:28 GMT
Take a look under (man 8 mount) and look in the section "Mount options for
fat".
There you'll find two possible solutions (both can be added to fstab.) The
first is uid={user id for your login here} the other would be umask=0.
The uid mounts the partition with you as owner so you can use/edit all the
files. The umask=0 would mount the partition with permissions of 777 which
gives full rights to ALL users. (I'd recommend uid over umask here for
security reasons.)
A sample for your /etc/fstab would be:
/dev/hda5 /mnt/fat-c vfat defaults,uid=500 0 0
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hugh Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>This is probably a stupid question.
>
>I boot multiple OS'es on my computer, and I want all of them to be able
>to see the same mail directory.
>
>In other words, I want Netscape Mail under Linux to be able to store my
>mail files on a VFAT partition on C: (ie the same directory where all my
>other Netscapes store my mail when I am running W95, OS/2 v 3, OS/2 v 4,
>etc. All installations of Netscape on my other partitions point to my
>C: drive, so that I can keep all my mail in one place, regardless of
>what partition/OS I am booting.
>
>Under any of my Linux distros, I can't write to my C: file unless I have
>root privileges. But since VFAT drives don't understand such things as
>file permissions, CHMOD, etc on the directory doesn't seem to have any
>effect.
>
>I have checked the options for the MOUNT command, but can't spot any
>that permit read/write privileges to ordinary users. However, a large
>part of my problem is no doubt just total unfamiliarity with the system.
>
>How do I set up my FSTAB so that ordinary users have write access to the
>C: drive? I don't want to have to log in as root every time just to get
>my mail.
>
>Any and all suggestions gratefully received. Any and all flames
>regarding RTFM probably warranted, but I just can't spot the answer in
>any of the help material, man pages, etc.
>
>Hugh Campbell
>Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Stupid question?? VFAT partitions
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:22:18 GMT
On Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:10:27 GMT Hugh Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I have checked the options for the MOUNT command, but can't spot any
| that permit read/write privileges to ordinary users. However, a large
| part of my problem is no doubt just total unfamiliarity with the system.
|
| How do I set up my FSTAB so that ordinary users have write access to the
| C: drive? I don't want to have to log in as root every time just to get
| my mail.
Mount options for vfat
First of all, the mount options for fat are recognized. The
dotsOK option is explicitly killed by vfat. Furthermore, there are
...
Mount options for fat
(Note: fat is not a separate filesystem, but a common part of
the msdos, umsdos and vfat filesystems.)
...
uid=value and gid=value
Set the owner and group of all files. (Default: the uid and
gid of the current process.)
--
| Phil Howard - KA9WGN | My current websites: linuxhomepage.com, ham.org
| phil (at) ipal.net +----------------------------------------------------
| Dallas - Texas - USA | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Richard Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cdrom mounting "lost interuppt" need help please
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 14:46:07 -0600
I am trying to get my system to mount the cdrom though samba but have
run into a few problems. When I try to mount the system from the
console it get "hdc: lost interuppt" a few times and the mount fails.
Any ideas?
sorry I don't have the model of the cdrom. but it appears to be a
standard atpi cdrom on secondary master ide.
Kernel 2.2.5-15
fstab
/dev/hda6 / ext2 defaults
1 1
/dev/hda1 /boot ext2 defaults
1 2
/dev/hda10 /home ext2 defaults
1 2
/dev/hda9 /tmp ext2 defaults
1 2
/dev/hda7 /usr ext2 defaults
1 2
/dev/hda8 /var ext2 defaults
1 2
/dev/hda5 swap swap defaults
0 0
/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy ext2 user,exec,dev,suid,rw,noauto 0
0
/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 user,exec,dev,suid,ro,autofs 0
0
none /proc proc defaults
0 0
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0622
0 0
Thanks
Rich
remove no.spam to mail.
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From: Hugh Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stupid question?? VFAT partitions
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:41:33 GMT
Thanks Phil. And a fellow ham at that!
> However, a large
> | part of my problem is no doubt just total unfamiliarity with the system.
OK so its all of my problem.
> uid=value and gid=value
> Set the owner and group of all files. (Default: the uid and
> gid of the current process.)
So if I understand this correctly, I just need to figure out the number for my
own user account and/or the group account of which user HUGH is a member, and
plug that into FSTAB??
Great! Thanks a lot. I figured it would be simple, but I definitely need a
course in reading man pages!!
Hugh Campbell, VE3DCE
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Swap "Busy" in Debian Install
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 14:11:05 -0700
On or about Sat, 08 Jul 2000 17:52:34 GMT, Andrew Overholt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scrivened:
> Hi,
> I recently pieced together an old 486 DX system with 8MB and 290MB HDD
> for use as an IP Masq machine. I installed fine (from disk - I had no
> choice) but after partitioning, when I used dselect to "Initialize and
> activate the swap partition" it gave me an error saying that the device
> was busy. This happened more than once (on more than one install
> attempt) and so I just said use no swap but now I can't do anything
> since there's not enough memory...any suggestions would be greatly
> appreciated.
More data required.
I'm assuming an IDE system, your HD will be /dev/hda. If not, modify
accordingly.
Post exact commands and output from the following, run as root:
$ fdisk -l /dev/hda
One of the partitions listed should be a swap partition. If not, you
need to repartition your hard drive. Post for details. Stop here.
Otherwise, see what's using it, eg: /dev/hda3 (substitute as
appropriate):
$ fuser -m <swap device>
If there are processes accessing this partition, you can get more detail
with:
$ fuser -mv <swap device>
You may want to try killing these or post for more information. Stop
here.
Otherwise, if no processes are using this device, you can try creating swap
yourself manually. THE FOLLOWING WILL OVERWRITE ALL DATA ON THE
PARTITION IRREVOCABLY, DOUBLE CHECK YOU'RE TARGETING THE RIGHT PARTITION.
Again, <swap device> should be your swap partition, eg: /dev/hda3:
$ dd if=/dev/zero of=<swap device>
$ sync
$ mkswap <swap device>
$ sync
$ swapon <swap device>
$ cat /proc/swapinfo
This either worked or failed. Report back with results.
--
Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.netcom.com/~kmself
Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org
What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks!
http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org
GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Warning! -- SONY SUBSTANDARD SERVICE!
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 21:20:55 GMT
Anyone considering the purchase of a Sony peripheral for their computer
might want to give it some further thought. There clearly is not a
reciprocal relationship between what they sell and what they service.
-
I purchased a CD-RW drive back in April that just recently went bad
(won't read). When I called Sony service, I was told that I could not
get a replacement and that I had to ship it across the country to be
"repaired" (and we all know what that means...) - with a three (3) week
turnaround. Assuming that they keep their 3-week commitment, with
shipping both ways, I'd be without the use of the unit for at least
five weeks!!!
-
I hardly think that's reasonable or fair.
-
Compare this to HP, who under the same circumstances would simply ship
you out a replacement unit and issue a call-tag for the old one.
-
Sony is a behemoth in the marketplace and as such, they have an
obligation to scale their service facilities to meet demand. To not do
so is an indication of their lack of commitment to customer satisfaction
and an unwillingness to stand behind their products.
-
Buyer be ware!
-
-
-
-
/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Unpack gmosamba.
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 14:12:02 -0700
On or about Sat, 8 Jul 2000 15:41:04 +0800, sllai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scrivened:
> I have installed the gnosamba -0.3.3 rpm package but I could not find the
> executable file for this.
> Anybody know where is the file being unpaked going to.
Query the package directly:
$ rpm -qilp gnosamba-0.3.3.rpm
man rpm for more information.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Userconf
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 21:30:04 GMT
Hy, I am pretty new to linux and just installed 6.2 on my Intel based
machine. Everything is fine except the captioned one, when I use USERCONF
to set a PPP account it gives an error "Segment error" I do not remember
the whole pharase. It also donot detect my onboard sound card.
Awaiting for some help.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Warning! -- SONY SUBSTANDARD SERVICE!
Date: 8 Jul 2000 21:54:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 08 Jul 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Anyone considering the purchase of a Sony peripheral for their computer
>might want to give it some further thought. There clearly is not a
>reciprocal relationship between what they sell and what they service.
>-
>I purchased a CD-RW drive back in April that just recently went bad
>(won't read). When I called Sony service, I was told that I could not
>get a replacement and that I had to ship it across the country to be
>"repaired" (and we all know what that means...) - with a three (3) week
>turnaround. Assuming that they keep their 3-week commitment, with
>shipping both ways, I'd be without the use of the unit for at least
>five weeks!!!
>-
>I hardly think that's reasonable or fair.
Maybe 4 weeks if they send you a box to FedEx it. However, they estimated
7 working day turnaround for my scrambled laptop screen and that grew to 4
weeks to get a part, which judging from the repair order was just a bumper
to keep something from touching. They did call to say that if the part
did not arrive soon, they were prepared to offer me a refurbished unit if
I did not want to wait.
>Compare this to HP, who under the same circumstances would simply ship
>you out a replacement unit and issue a call-tag for the old one.
I have always had trouble with printer drivers included with HP printers
not working (HP 4L and 5L) and finding them difficult to get ahold of.
And if something is out of warranty they charge per answer. When we had
an inkjet Fax machine break down, they did promptly ship out a replacement
(once I finally got through to them) before I returned the defective one.
But that had the same unreliable paper handling design flaw that the
original one had from the time it was new.
I have had good experience with Gateway sending out a replacement item
before a defective item was returned, but I have not had to do that for
many years, so I cannot say if that is still true.
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