Linux-Setup Digest #193, Volume #19 Tue, 18 Jul 00 21:13:08 EDT
Contents:
newbie compile (Ricky Chaudhary)
Re: Please help me evaluate this hardware's compatability with Linux (David C.)
Re: Please help me evaluate this hardware's compatability with Linux (David C.)
Re: 486 Linux setup, 250 meg HD, which distro ??? (C Sanjayan Rosenmund)
Re: What is ROXEN? ("Greg H.")
Re: Partition advice ("Andrew E. Schulman")
Re: New "super-user" (John Thompson)
Re: ext2 partition between FAT32 partitions (John Thompson)
Is there no solution to this problem with POP3???? (Darwin Weyh)
Re: Mandrake won't boot! (Pete)
Re: PPP and eth0 (Pete)
Re: lucent winmodem in laptop (Zebee Johnstone)
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From: Ricky Chaudhary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: newbie compile
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:30:23 GMT
Hi,
I am compiling source code for the first time. Although it is fun,
success is elusive. I am trying to install PHP using the source
available on php.net. I have got past the step:
./configure
When i try to "make", it gives me the following error:
make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
On running >which make, I can see that it is in /usr/bin directory.
Shouldn't makefile be included in the source files???
Someone please let me know what I am missing.
Thanks.
Ricky
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David C.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Please help me evaluate this hardware's compatability with Linux
Date: 18 Jul 2000 19:30:40 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil ossifer) writes:
>
> The system is an Athlon Slot A Barebones system put together by
> Vextrec Technologies(VTI) and is sold specially through Fry's
> electronics. The motherboard is either an Epox 7KXA or a DTK computer
> VAM-0070 (some confusion here - the bios identifier corresponds to an
> Epox 7KXA, but the documentation with the system is for a DTK VAM-0070
> board. The label on the box calls it a:
Many motherboards have the model printed on them. Usually between two
expansion slots. That might help if you're not sure.
> ATX DTK-VAM-0070 EP-7KXA VIA 133 AGP CHIPSET. FSB200 / ULTRA DMA 66 /
> ... / 1 AMR AGP SLOT 4X / AC97 AUDIO / 56 FLEX MODEM (almost certainly
> a winmodem) / 10-100 NET CARD / FLOPPY DRIVE.
lessee here....
UDMA/66 - until the Linux 2.4 kernels come out, you won't be able to use
a UDMA/66 drive. (You can use a 2.3 beta kernel or apply a patch to the
2.2 kernel, but I don't know how well this will work. You should,
however, be able to configure the drive (via a jumper or a BIOS setting)
for UDMA/33 or PIO mode-4, which will work.
What kind of video is an "AMR AGP SLOT 4X"? Text-mode will always be
available. VGA mode (640x480) will always be available with the VGA
driver. Higher resolutions will depend on whether the card has support
in XFree86.
The Winmodem is a lost cause. But you already know that.
Do you know what kind of card the Ethernet board is? A lot of different
boards are supported.
> The BIOS is:
>
> Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
> 04/25/2000-8371-686A-6A6LKPAAA9C-00
This indicates an Epox board. Digits 6-7 of the serial number would be
"D1" and not "PA" if it was a DTK board.
> The biggest fly in the ointment so far: All configuration software
> requires W95+.
Some configuration (like the Ethernet card) is the kind of thing that
can be done once and then be forgotten. These devices store the
configuration into EPROM on the card.
> And certain features like "soft off" are documented to be available
> only through W95.
Or any other OS that supports power management. If you turn it on in
the BIOS and load the apmd daemon, it should work. APM is fairly
standardized.
> VIA had a DOS version of the Ultra 66 driver on their web site, but no
> mention of Linux to be found on Vextrec's , DTK's, Epox's or Via's.
See above for UDMA/66 info.
> Does anyone know if these manufacturers are under non-disclosure with
> MS? Do you forsee any problems (other than the winmodem) getting the
> drivers or at least the info to write drivers to use the features of
> this chipset/motherboard/BIOS?
Depends on the hardware. So far you haven't mentioned much about brands
and models.
> I hope to load Corel Linux (chosen because it is supposedly geared to
> "easy install" to "learn the ropes" then move to either Suse,
> Mandrake, or another "heavyweight" distribution later.
They're all more or less the same. The big differences are in the
printed documentation and the installer.
> The network card actually mentions Linux on the software disk! Wonder
> of wonders. The source code for the driver is there (rtl8139.c by
> Donald Becker.), but the only instalation instructions are Red Hat and
> Slackware. Is it safe to presume that with some help from here it
> will install on Corel/Suse/ or Mandrake.
This is a RealTek chipset. A fairly common card.
The driver is bundled with my RedHat distribution. I presume that it
will be bundled with most other distributions as well.
> The video cards I bought are Creative Labs Savage 4 AGP (S3 Savage 4
> 128-bit chipset) and KASER Trio-8 (S3 Trio3d/2d chipset). Neither
> manufacturer mentions Linux on their website nor would tech support
> offer any information about Linux drivers. Is the information needed
> available to the driver development team(s) or is Creative and KASER
> stonewalling them? Would you suggest returning these?
A quick visit to http://www.xfree86.org/, and we discover:
http://www.xfree86.org/3.3.6/S3V3.html
The Savage4 chipset is supported in the SVGA server as of version
3.3.5. (Most current Linux distributions include 3.3.6).
We also find that the Trio3D chipset is supported, but it is an initial
release, which is not well tested at this time. Your XF86Config file
may need some tweaking - not all of the standard modelines work. The
URL I mentioned describes this.
> Could anyone recommend a PCI video card with good Linux support _and_
> drivers for Win3.x (I need this until I get fully up to speed on
> LInux.)
For a cheap card that is well supported, I recommend the ATI XPert98.
It's a Mach64 board, so it's not a terribly new chipset, but it is
compatible with just about everything, including Linux.
> The Hard Drive is a WD Ultra 66. No biggie, but I see their "break
> the 8GB barier" software recognizes W9x/NT/OS-2 as other possible
> partitions, but no mention of Linux. Is there a possible problem
> here?
Linux has no problem with hard drives of any size.
The boot loader, LILO, however, requires that the partition containing
/boot be contained entirely within the first 1024 cylinders of the
disk. Your installer should force you to adhere to this.
Fortunately, only /boot must be contained there. When I install on
systems with large drives, I allocate 2-3 cylinders (usually about
12-15M) as a separate partition for /boot, make a swap partition, and
then make the rest of the drive one huge root partition.
> The CDROM is a PINE PT-948A. Seems kind of standard, thing comes
> right up under DOS ( and "old" DOS is supported! good sign, no?).
> But of course no mention of Linux to be found in the documentation.
ATAPI CD-ROM drives are well supported. You shouldn't have to do
anythng special. The installer should set this up for you.
> Anyone have good experiences with VTI/DTK/EPOX/AWARD/VIA regarding
> information disclosure to the Linux development community? Anyone
> have any BAD experience?
I don't know anything about your motherboard, unfortunately.
As for the BIOS, it doesn't matter. Once LILO gets the boot image off
of your hard drive, it isn't used for anything.
Regarding the chipset, I think all Athlon boards currently made use VIA
chipsets. I don't think it will cause a problem.
> I know none of you can make the decision for me. Can any of you offer
> guidence to help me make it?
See above.
-- David
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David C.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Please help me evaluate this hardware's compatability with Linux
Date: 18 Jul 2000 19:36:27 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil ossifer) writes:
>
> Perhaps to clarify the preceeding message a tad: I just learned friday
> what a "win modem" was by reading these groups, as well as the NDA and
> "afraid to cross MS syndrome" of the makers of such. I was disgusted,
> then panic set in: Is there such a thing as a "winmotherboard, a
> winchipset, a winbios", and if there is did I just buy one?
Not that I know of.
It's been a running joke about a WinVideo card, where softwre would have
to generate the video signal, but it ain't never gonna happen. How many
people would be willing to sacrifice 90% of their CPU performance in
order to save $30 on a video card? (Video signal generation is pretty
complicated stuff.)
As for the BIOS and chipset, absolutely not. How could you have one
that requires an OS. These parts must be active and working before the
OS loads. That's how your computer boots.
> Do I have a winharddrive, a wincdrom, a wimvideo board? These are the
> questions I need answered. Not too much dinero tied up on the CDROM,
> video card, winmodem (ugh why tie up a $200 processor with such
> mundane chores?) so these can be written off to experience, but the
> processor, ram, and 30GB hard drive are another matter....
Aside from modems, the only common "windows only" devices out there are
printers.
There are some sound cards/chipsets that are designed for Winodws, but
most of them have a SoundBlaster 16-compatibility mode as well. At the
very least, that will work with Linux.
> I am willing to work. To write drivers after I learn Linux
> programming even. But only if I can get specs. My days of blind
> hacking are long gone -- I've played all the "adventure" that I wish
> to in this lifetime.
I don't think you'll have to do this.
-- David
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From: C Sanjayan Rosenmund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: 486 Linux setup, 250 meg HD, which distro ???
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:40:38 GMT
Steve Martin wrote:
>
> Jim Cameron wrote:
>
> > >hacked every 5 minutes your on the internet. Choose Slack, Choose sleepless
> > >nights tearing your hair out, Choose Debian, Choose never being able to use
> >
> > I use Slack, and I have LOTS of hair. 8-)
>
> I started out with Slackware, and I have *no* hair! ('Course,
> I'm 45 years old, too... <g>)
I also started with Slackware, now I use Debian. Both work well for
me. On that small system, I would use Debian. Install just the base
package and add only the applications you *actually* use. . . ends up
with a VERY small install footprint, which gives you more room for
data.
--
Sanjay
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer.
Press any key to reboot.
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From: "Greg H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is ROXEN?
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:29:29 GMT
blackbird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Roxen is a KISS ASS dynamic content, multi-languages ,databases
^^^^
Did you really mean to say "kiss"? ;-)
Greg
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From: "Andrew E. Schulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partition advice
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:36:05 -0400
> >> My planned partition table is :
> >> hda1 - 1 - 153 - 1228941 - 6 -
> dos primary
> >> hda2 - 154 - 1653 - 12048750 - 5 -
> extended
> >> hda5 - 154 - 408 - 2048256 - 6 -
> dos
> >> hda6 - 409 - 663 - 2048256 - 6 -
> dos
> >> hda7 - 664 - 676 - 104391 - 82 -
> linux swap
> >> hda8 - 677 - 680 - 32098 - 83 -
> linux native(boot)
> >> hda9 - 681 - 1653 - 7815591 - 83 -
> linux native(root)
> >
> >Your second scheme looks fine to me. You have only one
> primary and one
> >extended partition, so Windows will be happy. Linux boot
> partition is
> >within the first 1024 cylinders, so lilo will be happy.
> The rest just
> >depends on how you want to divide your space.
>
> Well, the only potential trouble I can see with this is
> having dos and ext2 partitions mixed within the extended. I
> know lots of people have no trouble with it, but every time
> I've ever tried it I've had Windows scandisk and defrag
> stomp all over those ext2s. I have a similar layout to what
> you have but I've chosen to keep the extended as all ext2
> and make it type 85 (Linux extended), and to keep my dos
> partitions all on primaries. (I know, some people say you
> can't do this but it works great for me.) So, for me, I'd
> make hda5 and 6 in that table hda3 and 4 but to each his
> own, I guess.
My experience is the opposite of yours: when I've had multiple primary
partitions on a single drive, Windows was happy in one case, but in
another case it showed me merged partitions, phantom partitions, and
VFAT partitions that wouldn't hold a format. Finally solved the problem
by going to just one primary and one extended partition.
On the other hand I've never had trouble putting both VFAT and ext2
within one extended partition. However I saw another post here recently
which said that to avoid trouble in such a case, all the VFAT partitions
should go together at the start of the drive, e.g. hda{1,5} vfat,
hda{6,7,...} ext2.
Maybe there could be trouble either way, but at least one is likely to
work.
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New "super-user"
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:15:05 -0500
D G wrote:
> Lew Pitcher wrote:
> >
> > Here's what you do...
> > 1) assign three new, non-superuser userids
> > 2) add each of these userids to the root's group ('root')
> > 3) ensure that the ownerships and permissions on the administration
> > tools are set so that the 'root' group is owner, and that the group
> > has proper authorities (i.e. rwx at the group level)
> > 4) hand out the userids to the appropriate users
> >
> > By virtue of the fact that these userids belong to the same group as
> > 'root' does, and that the group permissions have been appropriately
> > set, these userids should be able to do 'root' work without being
> > logged on as the superuser.
> But does this track who modified the file? I think that's what the
> poster was asking.
Any files modified by these new accounts will belong to the
"root" group, but will be owned by the user who logged into the
account. If each new pseudo-superuser has their own
pseudosuperuser-id, you will know who modified what.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ext2 partition between FAT32 partitions
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:18:36 -0500
Rich S wrote:
> I recently posted here getting advice about partitioning my hdd. And
> although it was just what I needed I have now just found out that it might
> not be possible.
> I want to do the following
> 2gb - Win98SE
> 5gb - Linux
> 10gb - Windows Data
> 10gb - windows Data
> 3gb - spare
>
> However, upon reading my installation manual (SUSE 6.4) it read that I
> couldnt have the linux partition in between windows partitions. Is this
> true?
I don't think linux will care much but IIRC, Windows is unable to
find FAT partitions that lie beyond non-FAT partitions. As soon
as Windows sees a non-FAT partition it just gives up looking any
further.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Darwin Weyh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,redhat.config,redhat.general,redhat.security.general
Subject: Is there no solution to this problem with POP3????
Date: 18 Jul 2000 19:42:04 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I need some help here.
I'm using RH 6.2
I have set up a virtual domain using linuxconf and I configured sendmail and am
getting email sent to the server in /var/spool/vmail/domain.com/username.
It also set up directories /vhome/domain.com/username/ for each of the users.
I have set up ipop3d just as it installed the imap RPM.
I can't get to the popusers thru the POP3 server.
Obviously this is not the ipop to use but what one do I use???
I need one to use the /etc/vmail/passwd.domain.com and
/etc/vmail/shadow.domain.com to validate the users and delivers from the
/var/spool/vmail/domain.com/user mailbox.
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From: Pete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake won't boot!
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:40:20 GMT
Sounds as though something's wiped out lilo -have you got a boot disk?
If so boot using it and run /sbin/lilo to recreate lilo. If you haven't
got a boot disk I don't know how you are going to get into it.
Pete
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I partitioned my HD for Windows and Linux. installed boot magic.
> Everything, Linux and Windows, worked fine. (both OS booted)
> Quit using linus because of difficulties. About 4 months of inactivity
on
> linux side. Went to boot it to start using it again and will not
boot.
> I choose linux on the bootmagic screen---then i get the prompt
stating,
> "Preparing to load Linux"----it does nothing else! Have to hit
cont-alt-
> del to get out of it. Windows still runs fine. Dont want to
re-install,
> any help would be greatly appreciated. Looked at the partition info
in
> windows (where Partition magic is installed) All 3 partitions are
still
> there and have no errors using the PM tool. help!
>
> Thanks--------J
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
>
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From: Pete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PPP and eth0
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:44:59 GMT
The simple answer is that you've got a default route set to your NIC
card which you need to get rid of. Unfortunatly I use Mandrake wich has
a config GUI to set this up, I don't know which file you need to edit
under RH.
Pete
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Alan Metcalf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I have the following problem:
>
> If I have the eth0 network card enabled I find that my internet
connection,
> both UKLINUX and Demon connections report within Netscape that there
is no
> route to host!
>
> If I disable eth0 the internet connection will work ok!
>
> I have RedHat 6.0 using the default kernel.
> It is a dual boot system with Win98SE on a pentium II 350 using an
Motorola
> Voice SUFR modem on Com1.
>
> Any help is much appreciated
>
> TIA
>
> Alan
>
> replies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Zebee Johnstone)
Subject: Re: lucent winmodem in laptop
Date: 19 Jul 2000 00:10:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In comp.os.linux.setup on Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:19:11 -0700
D G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Here's the relevant part:
>-------------
> Bus 1, device 11, function 0:
> Communication controller: Lucent (ex-AT&T) Microelectronics Unknown
>device
Hmm.. Bus 1.
I only have a Bus 0. and everything's on it. Including things
claiming "ISA Bridge" or "CardBus Bridge".
COuld this damn thing not be PCI at all?
Do laptops *have* PCI?
The laptop BIOS has no PCI stuff, no interrupts, nothing.
Zebee
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