Linux-Setup Digest #266, Volume #19 Fri, 28 Jul 00 16:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: Gnome or KDE
Re: Gnome or KDE (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Gnome or KDE (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Gnome or KDE (2:1)
re: Kernel will not load SCSI module ("Charles R. Tersteeg")
gnome and listening sockets ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: PLEASE HELP !!!! ("Bruce D. Meyer")
Re: [Help] LILO doesn't boot from SCSI disk (John in SD)
FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: e2fsck problem (Dances With Crows)
Ripping audio CD's with Linux??? ("dionysis")
Sound output distorts when screen changes in X ("Henno Schooljan")
Re: [Help] LILO doesn't boot from SCSI disk (Svend Olaf Mikkelsen)
USB compactflash readers? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sound output distorts when screen changes in X (Edward Lee)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Gnome or KDE
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:12:45 GMT
On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 02:26:46 +0100, tolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> A pox on all of them for this; the value of them is _not_ in trying
>> to manage X sessions, but in providing _USEFUL APPLICATIONS_.
> Or perhaps useful cross application functionality?
>
>ie common clipboard, drag and drop, modular software (ie koffice im
>told)
>
>The point is not that these things cannot be achieved in other ways, but
>that itergration has its uses, and that for a newbie the other solutions
>are non-obvious.
"Integration" shouldn't be necessary for any of those 3 actually.
>
>for the record im a newbie, im using window maker & kde together, and
>why has noone answerd my enquiry about this hey?? (jest)
>paeches & cream
Although, minmalist conformance to some comman stadard is useful.
We wouldn't be having this conversation otherwise. However, we
can still use widely varying interfaces to do it.
--
Unless you've got the engineering process to match a DEC,
you won't produce a VMS.
You'll just end up with the likes of NT.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Gnome or KDE
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:34:52 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Fri, 28 Jul 2000 02:06:10 -0700...
...and Chem-R-Us <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pig wrote:
> >
> > Hi All:
> >
> > I am a newbie of Linux and using the SUSE linux 6.3.
> > I've tried different GUIs.
> > I think the Gnome and KDE are the best.
> > So, which one is better? Pls. suggest.
>
> Given the choice of those two, use KDE (Gnome is slower).
Nonsense. Any statement of the kind "GNOME is fast", "GNOME is slow",
"GNOME is faster than KDE", "GNOME is slower than KDE" is complete
rubbish anyway since neither GNOME nor KDE are a single application
that runs at a determinable speed.
Some GNOME components are faster than their current KDE counterparts
(e.g.: file manager, icon picker).
The inverse may be the case for other components.
Anyway, you are probably confusing Enlightenment with GNOME anyway
like so many people do.
mawa
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Gnome or KDE
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:35:15 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:10:14 -0700...
...and Jimmy Navarro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pig wrote:
>
> > Hi All:
> >
> > I am a newbie of Linux and using the SUSE linux 6.3.
> > I've tried different GUIs.
> > I think the Gnome and KDE are the best.
> > So, which one is better? Pls. suggest.
>
> I like KDE in my Thinkpad because GNOME is too ugly in my 12.1" viewable
> Active Matrix screen, the bottom horizontal bar to can not set to tiny
> or thinner like in KDE.
You should definitely upgrade to GNOME 1.2.
mawa
--
Abdeckstiftbenutzer!
ABS-Bremser!
Achselhaarschneider!
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Gnome or KDE
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:37:58 +0100
> Sure there is - straight twm - been using it for 10 years[*] and
> have no need for all the desktop clutter, sound, moving menus,
> themes, etc. *tvtwm is available to provide a virtual screen
> larger than the physical screen for those who need such.
All that desktop clutter gets on my nerves. FVWM2 MWM is my personal
favourite. I haven't found that any `better' interfaces actually are
better.
I do like twm, though. I use it to give the xlogin widgit a border and
some comvenienec menues such as shutdown, disable screensaver, etc on my
home system. Its very easy to configure.
>
> scott
>
> [*] before that it was, if I remember correctly, uwm.
>
> (and yes, I've tried gnome and kde)
>
> Besides, twm is available on _every_ unix system.
--
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which
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From: "Charles R. Tersteeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: re: Kernel will not load SCSI module
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:31:39 GMT
I have the same problem with redhat but this is how I fixed it.
After much looking and not recompiling the kernel. This is the answer:
To load scsi modules whether for scsi adapter cards or ide-scsi
emulation for ide cdr(w), one should use an initial ram disk; created
with make initial ram disk (mkinitrd).
1. The modules to be loaded at boot up must be in /etc/conf.modules and
specified correctly.
2. Make the initrd with "mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.2.16-3.img 2.2.16-3"
2.a. SMP is "mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.2.16-3smp.img 2.2.16-3smp"
3. Modify /etc/lilo.conf so it had the correct initrd file specified
3.a. the append statement if for my custom machine (ignore mem and ide2
for this issue)
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-3smp
label=linux
initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.16-3smp.img
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
append="mem=256M hdc=ide-scsi ide2=0xafe0,0xafae"
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-3
label=linux-up
initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.16-3.img
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
4. run /sbin/lilo to make the configuration acitve and reboot
Cheers,
Chuck
Matthias Belitz wrote:
Hallo !
I have a problem with my SCSI hostadapter module:
I am using Suse 6.4 kernel K_I386.
For normal working, the only device connected to my NCR 53810 is the
CDROM-drive.
As Suse Setup chrashed, I had to finish the setup manually.
I added the line
alias scsi_hostadapter sym53c8xx
An when I call
"modprobe scsi_hostadapter"
the module is loaded and everything works fine.
But when I do not load the module manually and try to mount a CD in
the
drive,
bash tells
"wrong major or minor number"
and does not load the module automatically.
Normally Suse uses
/dev/cdrom (a link to /dev/scd0), I also tried /dev/sr0, nothing of
the
three methods works.
With redhat autoloading when mounting the CDROM works fine ...
Thanx,
Matt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: gnome and listening sockets
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:00:59 GMT
Hello all!
I am using lsof to track down the applications that are listening to
some high ports on my system. Does anyone know why clockmail,
gnome-session, gmc and several others listen on tcp high ports? Is this
normal? If yes, what purpose does it serve?
Thanks in advance,
George
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Before you buy.
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From: "Bruce D. Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.linux.isp
Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP !!!!
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:20:26 -0400
Reply-To: "Bruce D. Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I'll say your missing something. Today's answer is brought to you by the
letter 'S'
'S' as in /libs/
'S' is missing from where your trying to go.
I cut and pasted from your thread, and in the line below you said it told
you to go:
>: This is /usr/libs/httpd/htdocs/index.html - - a sample HTML page. You'll
But down here you said you tried to go here:
> # cd /usr/lib
If this isn't a typo, it may explain why your go there. try this:
cd /usr/libs/httpd/htdocs/
^
(don't forget you said it is L I B 'S' no L I B)
Hopefully it helps you out. If not, then you typo'd on the original thread
and we just wasted each others time.
Best of Luck, like the other guy said, the machine does exactly what it is
told to do.
try this:
rename all the index.htm files you can find to index.ORIG
then access the web server. if it displays nothing, you know you didn't miss
any. No, go and rename each index.ORIG file ONE at a time, to index.htm.
The retry the web browser each time to see if that was it.
Once you hit on the correct file, search for a httpd.conf file or srm.conf
or wherever it in that old version of Apache (new versions of Apache
recomends putting all entries ointo ONLY httpd.conf and not using
access.conf and srm.conf)
try a slocate, whereis, or:
find / -name httpd.conf
find / -name srm.conf
and go to each location and make a change to the test page caption to say 'R
U the Evil Hidden Config File?'
and refresh the browser screen. When your web browser rewards you with:
'R U the Evil Hidden Config File?
Your are ready to go do some productive work again..
HIH
Bruce Meyer
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From: John in SD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: [Help] LILO doesn't boot from SCSI disk
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:38:09 GMT
LILO will only boot from disks with BIOS support. Some mixed IDE/SCSI systems
have BIOS support for both. The diagnostic floppy from the LILO 21.4.4 or
21.5 distributions will tell you what disks have BIOS support.
If you have BIOS support, the disk=/bios= options will likely be needed in
lilo.conf.
--John
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:17:56 +0200, Jose Manuel Benitez Sanchez
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi all,
> I cannot get LILO booting from an SCSI disk. Can you give me some
>hints?
>
> This is the situation. I've just installed Linux Red Hat 6.2 on a Dual
>Pentium III machine equipped with:
> Mainboard: SUPERMICRO, SUPER P6DBE
> SCSI controller: Adaptec SCSI Card 29160
> SCSI disk: Seagate ST318436LW (17.5G)
> IDE disk: Seagate STS320430A (20GB)
>
> The IDE disk is only temporally installed, and it is going to be used
>only to hold data, no system files. All the system is installed on the
>SCSI disk. This is the partition table (generated with disk druid):
>--------------------
>Disk /dev/sda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 2233 cylinders
>Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
>
> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
>/dev/sda1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux
>/dev/sda2 14 2233 17832150 5 Extended
>/dev/sda5 14 906 7172991 83 Linux
>/dev/sda6 907 1548 5156833+ 83 Linux
>/dev/sda7 1549 1880 2666758+ 83 Linux
>/dev/sda8 1881 2174 2361523+ 83 Linux
>/dev/sda9 2175 2213 313236 82 Linux swap
>/dev/sda10 2214 2233 160618+ 83
>Linux --------------------
>
>and this an excerpt from /etc/fstab:
>--------------------
>/dev/sda10 / ext2 defaults
>1 1
>/dev/sda1 /boot ext2 defaults
>1 2
>/dev/sda5 /home ext2 defaults
>1 2
>/dev/sda6 /usr ext2 defaults
>1 2
>/dev/sda7 /usr/local ext2 defaults
>1 2
>/dev/sda8 /var ext2 defaults
>1 2
>/dev/sda9 swap swap defaults
>0 0
>--------------------
>So the /boot partition is (/dev/sda1) located at very beginning of the
>disk.
>
> The overall installation was straightforward. Only the LILO
>installation issued a warning:
>"Warning: /dev/sda1 is not on the first disk"
>
> But then, before booting again I changed the BIOS booting sequence
>setting SCSI on the first place and IDE on the second. After saving
>this, the booting is restarted. The BIOS displays:
>"Searching for Boot Record from SCSI..OK"
>And then only appears:
>"LI"
>and it gets frozen.
> According to LILO's User's Guide (pag. 44):
>"LI The first stage boot loader was able to load the second stage boot
> loader, but has failed to execute it. This can either be caused by a
> geometry mismatch or by moving /boot/boot.b without running the map
> installer."
>Of course, I haven't moved /boob/boot.b. Since the disk is a large one,
>I used the "linear" global option in lilo.conf, but no luck. I've also
>tried without it, with the same lack of success.
>
> If I install LILO on the IDE disk, it works all right, but I don't like
>this solution because of the temporal condition of the disk.
>
> LILO's version is 21.
>
> I would greatly appreciate any help to get the SCSI disk booting
>properly.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Cheers!
>
> Jos� Manuel
>
>
>
LILO version 21.5 (18-Jul-2000) source at
ftp: brun.dyndns.org dir: /pub/linux/lilo
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:47:24 -0700
Red Hat is a sinking ship?
Red Hat's CFO is abandoning ship.
http://www.it-director.com/00-07-28-3.html
- Alex / blowfish.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: e2fsck problem
Date: 28 Jul 2000 19:51:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:08:04 +0200, Marco Baiocco wrote:
>>On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:09:32 +0200, Marco Baiocco wrote:
>>> It has always run fine till now, and it still does, but
>>>today I have noticed a small warning during the boot messages.
>>>It says something like the checking time has arrived, and that it
>>>should be wise to run e2fsck on the linux partitions. It has nothing
>>This is a bit odd, since an fsck should set the "time since last check"
>>field appropriately. Anyway, you can disable the message by entering
>>"tune2fs -i 0 /dev/hdXY" when that particular partition is mounted
>>read-only. Have a look at the man page for tune2fs as well....
>I did. It didn't work. I tried either with -i 0 and with -C 0, fooling
>it by telling that it was the first time it was mounting the
>filesystem, but it didn't work in neither of the two ways: it still
>says something like:
>
>EXT2 Warning: checktime reached: running e2fsck is recommended.
>
>Any other clue? Can I brute force alter that counter? If yes, how?
Boy, that's odd. The warning comes directly from the kernel code, line
298 or thereabouts in /usr/src/linux/fs/ext2/super.c, and further
digging reveals that the superblock's "checkinterval" value has to be a
value other than 0 for the warning to be issued. tune2fs -i0 /dev/hdXY
should set the superblock's checkinterval value to 0! I suppose you
could try doing "tune2fs -i12m /dev/hdXY" on all your Linux partitions,
which should give you a year's worth of time before the warning appears.
Brute-forcing this would most likely involve doing stupid things with
dd, which is *NOT* reccommended. Hmmm.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Tyranny is always better organized
http://www.brainbench.com / than freedom.
=============================/ ==Charles Peguy
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From: "dionysis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ripping audio CD's with Linux???
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:46:38 GMT
I'm unable to iron out driver problems in Win 98 to be able to digitally rip
audio CD's. Someone suggested I run Linux tandem with Win 98.
Are the Linux CD drivers better at digitally ripping audio CD's to MP3?
I found Caldera Linux 2.2 with documention used for $20.
I also found Linux 6.5 Mandrake used with documentation for $20. Should I
go
with that if I decide to try this?
Which Linux is "better"?
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From: "Henno Schooljan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Sound output distorts when screen changes in X
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:55:02 +0200
Hi,
I've got a sound problem with Red Hat Linux 6.0 when I try to play sound
(e.g. a MP3-file) with XFree 3.3.6.1. The MP3-file plays just great when I
just sit back and don't touch anything, but when I move the mouse pointer or
open some menu's which causes the screen contents to change, the sound
becomes jerky. (I even had to switch off that moving spectrum analyzer of
X11amp, because that also caused sound distortion). I know my computer is
pretty old (Pentium running at 83 MHz), but I do not have these problems
running Windows 95 (and that OS is noticeably slower than Linux...) I hope
anyone can help me with this problem.
Henno Schooljan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Svend Olaf Mikkelsen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: [Help] LILO doesn't boot from SCSI disk
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:57:04 GMT
Jose Manuel Benitez Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>hints?
timeout=50
disk=/dev/sda
bios=0x80
And then I suggest you change the type of the extended partition from
05 to 85 for the case that the disk should coexist with an operation
system that uses the partitions types correctly.
--
Svend Olaf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: USB compactflash readers?
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:53:45 GMT
Hi, all. I'm getting ready to dedicate a 166MHz Intel box to storing,
manipulating, viewing, and uploading digital photographs. I've got a
copy of RedHat 6.1 that I'd like to use, but I am curious as to whether
I'll be able to run USB ports (still need to buy the USB card...).
Basically, I'd like to house a large-ish hard drive in the box and read
the memory cards for the camera using a "USB photoreader." Does this
sound do-able under Linux/Gnome?
Thanks for any help
Michael Cox
Newton users "Ink different"
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Before you buy.
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From: Edward Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Sound output distorts when screen changes in X
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:09:36 -0700
Your system is barely enough to decode mp3. You can try a character based
player such as mpg123 to reduce resources, or add more memory to reduce
swapping. You can also try a less resource hungry window manager. Windows 95
is probably using less resources and less swapping.
Henno Schooljan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've got a sound problem with Red Hat Linux 6.0 when I try to play sound
> (e.g. a MP3-file) with XFree 3.3.6.1. The MP3-file plays just great when I
> just sit back and don't touch anything, but when I move the mouse pointer or
> open some menu's which causes the screen contents to change, the sound
> becomes jerky. (I even had to switch off that moving spectrum analyzer of
> X11amp, because that also caused sound distortion). I know my computer is
> pretty old (Pentium running at 83 MHz), but I do not have these problems
> running Windows 95 (and that OS is noticeably slower than Linux...) I hope
> anyone can help me with this problem.
>
> Henno Schooljan
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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