Linux-Setup Digest #345, Volume #19 Mon, 7 Aug 00 18:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: ftp & telnet ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: SVGATextMode (Guy White)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Trade Mandrake 7.1 for equivilant ("zverushka")
Re: partitioning q (Svend Olaf Mikkelsen)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Robert Krawitz)
3c59x using IRQ 0, how to change? ("Jason")
Problem with EIDE? ("Jeff D. Hamann")
Installing redhat 6.2 with Voodoo 3 2000 and other problems ("Ernie Jamison")
Re: ??amount of swap space in relation to memory (Jerry Peters)
Re: Cannot use xconfig or menuconfig (mst)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Johan Kullstam)
Hanging at Boottime: cannot start RIP services (James D. Boyd)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ftp & telnet
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:59:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oliver D. Bedford) wrote:
> > I am real newbie.
>
> As a newbie you should'nt be providing services to others...
Hrmm... did he need to be reprimanded? I didn't read anything in his
message that indicated he was providing any type of service to others.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Guy White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SVGATextMode
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:26:25 GMT
Dirk Frieborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> Of course I've read man's, doc's and HOWTO's; I've even spent two hours
> searching the web, but it seems like I'm the only guy in the world who
> has a Diamond Speedstar A50 AGP and wants to configure his SVGATextMode
> properly. :-I
Nah! I tried to get SVGATextMode to work with my Diamond Stealth S540.
Finally gave up and used the framebuffer device that's probably
compiled in your kernel already. In kernel .config file it appears as
CONFIG_FB. For my card I used the CONFIG_FB_VESA driver or load
module vfb to your existing kernel. Here's a list of modes that go
into /etc/lilo.conf to load it at startup. Un-comment the one you
want. After that, use fontconfig to select screen fonts, at least
it's available in Slackware not sure about others.
Possibly, just adding one of these lines will work if your kernel
already has FB support. Don't forget to run lilo after making the
change.
# Normal VGA console
# vga = normal
# VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x64k
# vga=791
# VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x32k
# vga=790
# VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x256
# vga=773
# VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x64k
# vga=788
# VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x32k
# vga=787
# VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x256
# vga=771
# VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x64k
# vga=785
# VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x32k
# vga=784
# VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x256
# vga=769
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:27:12 -0700
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> >Christopher Browne wrote:
> >> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> >> >Johan Kullstam wrote:
> >> >> if you can't own it, you can't be stealing it right?
> >> >>
> >> >Here goes your twisted logic again...
> >> >
> >> >Okay. A just robbed a bank. Then you go and robbed A, took the money
> >> >that A robbed from the bank.
> >> >
> >> >You didn't robbed the bank directly, but you're in process of the bank's
> >> >money by robbing A.
> >> >
> >> >Does that makes you a lesser criminal??????????????
> >>
> >> Money is a construct for which ownership is pretty intrinsic.
> >>
> >> Its _essence_ is as an expression of owned value.
> >>
> >> Thus, any argument surrounding the notion of things that _cannot be
> >> owned_ cannot be applied to money, at least not without taking _great_
> >> care to form syllogisms to indicate the lack of ownership.
> >
> >How/Why money cannot be owned?
> >
> >If you've created something, anything, and people likes it, they pay you
> >money for it, or for a copy of it. Then, you've *EARNED* that money, and
> >that money belongs to you. You have every legal title over that money.
> >
> >Or if your parents have earned the money, and passed it down to you,
> >then, you have inherented the money bevause of your parents. Even if you
> >didn't work for it yourself.
> >
> >That money is still yours. And you're the legal owner of that money.
>
> I don't disagree with all that; the notion of being "owned" is pretty
> intrinsic to money.
>
> The point is that if the original premise concerned something that
> _couldn't_ be owned, it is problematic to try to build analogies using
> money, which _is_ owned.
>
The *only* things that cannot be owned are the things that you are not
entilted to.
Let me ask you this:
Everybody has got a life. Right?
So. Does that means nobody should own his/her own life?
If so. Can I come over and ripe your life apart any which ways I
wanted, because it's wrong that you can own your life???
Can you think in a *real* human prespective, and think and communicate
like a *real* human.
Or you can only think machine codes and talk to machines?
Did you forgot to take your Pozac?
> >> Putting that another way, if A robs a bank, then A has taken some
> >> form of property that is _owned_.
> >>
> >Wrong again. The bank NEVER OWNED the money. The money is owned by
> >depositors, and leave it their under "TRUSTS". And allowing the bank to
> >invest the deposited money, but give some interests back to those who
> >deposited the money as a reward/return, and promise try to keep their
> >money safe.
>
> Wrong about what? I never said _who_ owned the money. It could be
> owned by the bank. Or by depositors. Or by the bank's owners.
>
> That's not of any importance to the point, which was that if money is
> stolen from the bank, something _owned_ has been taken. The question
> of who owns it is not particularly relevant; the point is that it
> happens to be owned by _someone_, which means that the example doesn't
> relate to the original contention about:
> "if you can't own it, you can't be stealing it right?"
>
That only applies to the thinking of the humanoids. :-0
> So far, you're doing a real good job of showing that you can't stay on
> track. You keep changing subjects, and not addressing the original
> claim, which is that:
> "if you can't own it, you can't be stealing it right?"
>
To humanoids like you. You just take whatever your heart (or are you
powered by GNU-GPLed cpu?)
desires without ANY concerns about others, or anything. A totally
self-centered, SELFISHED, elitist, and obnoxious bunch of
mofo.foo.bar.humanoids.
> If you are interested in a debate, then debate that statement. Don't
> change topics to "robbing banks" which doesn't relate in any useful
> way.
>
If you want to debate. THINK LIKE A REAL HUMAN.
> >> That is completely incompatible with the thesis being explored which
> >> is that that some computer software may be expressly _not ownable_.
> >> [Further down the road lies the thesis that "intellectual property" is an
> >> intellectual _sham_ using the argument that ideas are _not_ property...]
> >>
> >> Something that is not owned cannot be "stolen," and thus there can be no
> >> "robbery," and hence the notion of associating criminal action with thus
> >> makes no sense at all. It's not owned, wasn't stolen, and thus there
> >> is no "criminal."
> >
> >Here you're trying to go around circles again.
> >
> >> Grump however you like about how "you weren't talking about that,"
> >> but you _were_ responding to the line:
> >> "if you can't own it, you can't be stealing it right?"
> >>
> >> Two directions appear _reasonable_ in constructing a coherent debate
> >> to the thesis:
> >> a) You could claim that the notion that "you can't own it" is
> >> nonsense, and that the "can't be stealing part" thus has nothing
> >> to follow.
> >>
> >> But you never said anything about that.
> >>
> >> b) The alternative is to say "OK, fine, you can't own it. But
> >> that _doesn't_ lead to stealing being impossible."
> >>
> >> Instead, you ignored both the initial premise ("can't own it") _and_ the
> >> claimed result ("can't possibly steal it"), and made up some alternative
> >> thesis indicating that this is all just like saying that it's not criminal
> >> to rob banks. That's nonsense.
> >
> >Yes, ideas are being stolen all the time, and nothing can really be done
> >about it.
>
> That begs the question of whether ideas are ownable property. If they
> are, then they may be "stolen." If they aren't ownable, then they
> _can't_ be stolen.
>
> >But, when the idea has became a tangible item, like written down as a
> >piece of software, a music score, or something that you can actually
> >sell to an audience, then, that idea has an owner. - The person who has
> >created it out from thin air.
> >
> >Your kinds of ideas about *free are all donky dungs.
>
> The term "free" hasn't come up so far; the debate hasn't reached any
> point where any meaning of the word "free" would be of any relevance.
> Your bringing it up at this point is "donky dungs."
>
> >> >> > Wake up. You've just sold yourself for the price of a free beer.
> >> >>
> >> >> i have? what have i done? all i've said is:
> >> >>
> >> >> 1) copyright and patents are mercanitilism. this is by definition.
> >> >> 2) copyright and patents require active and intrusive enforcement by
> >> >> government. this is obvious by observation.
> >> >>
> >> >> do these statements somehow threaten your worldview?
> >> >>
> >> >No. But reality sure busted a lot of rainbow dreams by bubble heads.
> >>
> >> Don't blowfish have pretty bubbly heads?
> >>
> >> You may _think_ you're arguing well, but it's rather more like Ratbert
> >> wearing an "external brain pack" (aka piece of liver around his waist),
> >> and then debating using lines like "I must be right - this brain pack
> >> has a degree from Harvard."
> >
> >Don't put words into my mouth. I never said I argue well.
> >
> >But I started to wonder why I'm wasting my time on loonies!?
>
> You're claiming to try to debate, but your best arguments seem to come
> down to saying things like:
> "Your kinds of ideas about *free are all donky dungs."
>
> It seems to me that you are indeed wasting your time.
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/>
> "People are more vocally opposed to fur than leather because it's
> easier to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs." [bumper sticker]
--
- Alex / blowfish.(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:38:34 -0700
Robert Krawitz wrote:
>
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Zebee Johnstone wrote:
>
> > > Which isn't what you said. You said that the money went either to the
> > > software company or the taxman.
> > >
> > Gosh!
> >
> > If you pay the money to the software company, and, as a result, you can
> > pay less tax.
> > Isn't that you still end up paying less?
>
> Yes, but you still pay more than zero.
>
Yes, but how about the costs in retrainning? And time lost!? ;-)
> > > Clearly only half (at a marginal rate of 50%) goes to the taxman.
> > >
> > Then, deduct the other half as business loss. Talk to your tax
> > accountant/bean counter.
>
> Well, not quite. As a business expense, it has already been taken out
> of your income. You can't (legally) deduct it twice.
>
No. I was talking as a whole biz org. point. Not as an individual.
Again, I'm not a bean counter, or tax man. Consult with your own
bean-counter or tax consultant.
> > Take Boeing as an example. If they go the free software route, they can
> > save millions in software costs, but they decided against it, because
> > it's not practical for such a big international corp to switch
> > everything, tens of thousands of employees in numourous countries, and,
> > the trainning costs and time loss will far outcosted the cost saving in
> > free software.
>
> That's quite a different issue.
That's part of the total costs too. Isn't it!?
> --
> Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
>
> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
> Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Project lead for The Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net
>
> "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
> --Eric Crampton
--
- Alex / blowfish.(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
------------------------------
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 07 Aug 2000 16:36:26 -0400
blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Robert Krawitz wrote:
> > The claim at hand is that copyright interferes with the workings of a
> > truly free market by forbidding others from making copies and selling
> > them (giving one person an artificial monopoly in the good).
> >
> If you are not the owner/creator of that object. Then, you have no right
> to sell, modify or do anything with it without the owner/creator's
> permission. Period.
but an idea is *not* an object. period.
why should an idea be owned? can an idea be owned? sometimes not.
e.g., mathematics cannot be patented or copyrighted. the square root
of two is a concept free for anyone's taking -- yet it is created.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
sysengr
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From: "zverushka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Trade Mandrake 7.1 for equivilant
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:46:55 GMT
y do u need to trade linuxes, its like trading a penny for a penny, or is it
just that yours has some crap with it?
"Buschman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> If anyone has a copy of mandrake 7.1 and is willing to trade please
> e-mail me.
>
> Buschman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Svend Olaf Mikkelsen)
Subject: Re: partitioning q
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:55:36 GMT
Peter Whincop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>hda1 (w98) [w95 fat32 (0b)] 6G
OK. If the end of a primary FAT32 partition had been after zero based
cylinder 1023, the type should be 0C.
>rh6.2's disk druid did this (the logical partition might not quite be
>right), with me not knowing where to grab an extra w98 data partition:
>
>hda2 /boot [linux native] 10M
>hda5 /swap [linux swap] 512M
>hda6 /home [linux native] 6G
>hda7 / [linux native] 6G
>hda8 /lfs [linux native] 50M
>hda9 /blah [w95 fat32 LBA (0c)] max
No. It should be 0B.
>was i doing something dreadfully wrong?
Yes, you used a Linux partitioning tool.
>hda1 0b
>hda2 83 (single partition including /boot)
>hda3 82
>hda4 05
No. It should be 0F.
>hda5 0c (full size of hda4)
No. It should be 0B.
--
Svend Olaf
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From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 07 Aug 2000 17:17:24 -0400
blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Robert Krawitz wrote:
> > > Take Boeing as an example. If they go the free software route, they can
> > > save millions in software costs, but they decided against it, because
> > > it's not practical for such a big international corp to switch
> > > everything, tens of thousands of employees in numourous countries, and,
> > > the trainning costs and time loss will far outcosted the cost saving in
> > > free software.
> >
> > That's quite a different issue.
>
> That's part of the total costs too. Isn't it!?
Of course it is, but that has nothing to do with free vs. proprietary
software; it's a matter of frictional losses in retraining on anything.
--
Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Project lead for The Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net
"Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
--Eric Crampton
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From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 3c59x using IRQ 0, how to change?
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:12:33 GMT
I can't get my LInux 6.2 to get on the network. Can't ping anything and
can't ping the box from another pc.
Looking at the /var/log/messages, when it loads the Cyclone driver for my
3com Fast Etherlink XL PCI, it says "might not work on IRQ=0" and it does
try IRQ 0. How do I change it to IRQ 11 (which is what I think it should
be)?
Probably a easy programming answer.
Thanks,
Jason
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From: "Jeff D. Hamann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,microsoft.public.windowsnt.setup
Subject: Problem with EIDE?
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:13:19 -0700
Sorry for the crossposts, but I'm having troupble installing either Linux or
NT. I've removed the HD (WD 20.5 GB EIDE 66) and inserted the original Linux
1GB drive that installed on another computer and the system seemed to work
just fine. When I went to install Linux onto the 1GB drive I got the same
behaviour and before:
<tons of hex numbers>
code : 8b 69 08 81 fd 2b 2f c3 a5 0f 85 df 00 00 00 8b 69 0c 85 ed
Aiee, killing interupt handler
unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at vrtual address at
00000088
Then I gave up and tried to install NT on the 30GB drive (using only the
first 2GB) and kept getting the same problems with the NT CD (can't copy
mfc42.dll, etc) and the NT the CD is fine (no scratches or anything). I
also, tried using different NT CD's and got the same probelms...
Is there a problem with trying to install Linux (or NT for that matter) with
an onboard EIDE controller and a EIDE hd with a IDE CDROM?
HELP!
Jeff.
===========================================================
Jeff D. Hamann
280 Peavy Hall
Department of Forest Resources
Oregon State University
Corvallis, Oregon 97331-8566 USA
541-740-5988
541-737-2375
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Ernie Jamison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installing redhat 6.2 with Voodoo 3 2000 and other problems
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:19:01 -0400
First the other problems:
When rh Linux 6.2 is booting for the first time after an install (one of
many
over the past few days) I often get the error:
Loading Default Keymap: Failed
Sometimes the boot process hangs on "Enabling Swap Space"
The user account I set up never lets me login. Sometimes when
I login as root no password is asked for and the prompt goes
right to bash# which I have no idea how to get out of and back
to the command prompt.
So then when I type startx it core dumps and I get:
Fatal server error:
could not open default font `fixed'
I know there are drivers for the Voodoo at the 3DFX website but there
are no 3.3.6-20 drivers to go along with XFree86 3.3.6. Do these versions
have to match up?
thanks, Ernie
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From: Jerry Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ??amount of swap space in relation to memory
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.unix.admin
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:35:29 GMT
In comp.unix.admin !!Tonnere de Brest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 87 Rot@ns1 /home/httpd/html#uname -a
> Linux ns1 2.2.13-4mdk #1 Tue Sep 7 18:23:11 CEST 1999 i686 unknown
> 6:12pm up 3 days, 21:15, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00
> 56 processes: 55 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
> CPU states: 0.0% user, 0.9% system, 0.0% nice, 99.0% idle
> Mem: 63156K av, 61564K used, 1592K free, 358832K shrd, 2012K buff
> Swap: 104384K av, 12808K used, 91576K free 13592K cached
> as you can see, the machine is running out of memory. I am planning to add 128
> megabytes of memory. Do I have to increase the size of the swap space? Also is
> there a simple command that would give me the amount of memory and swap on the
> machine?
> Thank you very much.
> If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
> Thanks, Ghaouar Camij Toschian, (please remove KeinSpam from the email
> address )
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], 510 5408013, 2500 Durant # 310, Bk, CA 94704
> http://www.domainmart.net/InternetAccess/buildings.htm
> http://www.istanbulexpress.com/oldsite/sweetener.html
> Visualize that the smoke of cigarettes is unpleasant to other people.
> Visualize that peoples' civic duties do NOT include having to breathe the
> smoke from cigarettes.
> Visualize that astrologers, fortune tellers, tarot card readers, psychics and
> palm readers are Crooks, Fools or Both.
> Visualize using the Metric System.
You're not running out of memory. Linux is not like Windows, keeping memory
free just in case it needs it. Memory is (or at least used to be) a rare and
precious commodity, much too precious to leave laying around unused. As
long as you're not doing much paging, you have enough memory.
Jerry
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From: mst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Cannot use xconfig or menuconfig
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:36:25 -0400
"P. U. Psilanimous" wrote:
>
> I have installed RedHat 6.2 as a KDE workstation and now want to
> configure ide-scsi emulation in the kernel. When I cd to /usr/src/linux
> and type "make xconfig" or "make menuconfig" I get "No rule to make
> xconfig (or menuconfig)".
>
> I have installed Tcl and Tk but still get the same result. I am, of
> course, new at this so I am at a loss.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Thanks
You don't have the kernel sources installed. I'd suggest you go to a
mirror of ftp.kernel.org (for instance ftp.us.kernel.org, if you're in
the US), download a stock kernel, and put the source in /usr/src/linux,
instead of using the RH-modified source.
MST
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:52:23 GMT
blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Christopher Browne wrote:
> >
> > Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> > >Christopher Browne wrote:
> > >> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> > >> >Johan Kullstam wrote:
> > >> >> if you can't own it, you can't be stealing it right?
> > >> >>
> > >> >Here goes your twisted logic again...
> > >> >
> > >> >Okay. A just robbed a bank. Then you go and robbed A, took the money
> > >> >that A robbed from the bank.
> > >> >
> > >> >You didn't robbed the bank directly, but you're in process of the bank's
> > >> >money by robbing A.
> > >> >
> > >> >Does that makes you a lesser criminal??????????????
> > >>
> > >> Money is a construct for which ownership is pretty intrinsic.
> > >>
> > >> Its _essence_ is as an expression of owned value.
> > >>
> > >> Thus, any argument surrounding the notion of things that _cannot be
> > >> owned_ cannot be applied to money, at least not without taking _great_
> > >> care to form syllogisms to indicate the lack of ownership.
> > >
> > >How/Why money cannot be owned?
> > >
> > >If you've created something, anything, and people likes it, they pay you
> > >money for it, or for a copy of it. Then, you've *EARNED* that money, and
> > >that money belongs to you. You have every legal title over that money.
> > >
> > >Or if your parents have earned the money, and passed it down to you,
> > >then, you have inherented the money bevause of your parents. Even if you
> > >didn't work for it yourself.
> > >
> > >That money is still yours. And you're the legal owner of that money.
> >
> > I don't disagree with all that; the notion of being "owned" is pretty
> > intrinsic to money.
> >
> > The point is that if the original premise concerned something that
> > _couldn't_ be owned, it is problematic to try to build analogies using
> > money, which _is_ owned.
> >
> The *only* things that cannot be owned are the things that you are not
> entilted to.
>
> Let me ask you this:
no, let me ask you this:
what is a strawman?
let's see you stick to the subject instead of proffering an endless
stream of strawmen, hmm?
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James D. Boyd)
Subject: Hanging at Boottime: cannot start RIP services
Date: 7 Aug 2000 21:57:09 GMT
I hope someone can help this one who is familiar with the rudiments of
UNIX but new to the particulars of system administration.
I am trying to boot a computer that has recently had Mandrake v7.1
installed. When left to its own devices, the process hangs and
doesn't finish the init process. After installing several other
packages and daemons it hangs while saying
Starting routed (RIP) services:
If I boot interactively and skip this process, I can get to my
accounts, but I want to know how to remove this step from the init
process so that I can boot automatically and not have to babysit.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Jim Boyd
Conference on World Affairs
CU-Boulder
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