Linux-Setup Digest #346, Volume #19 Mon, 7 Aug 00 19:13:13 EDT
Contents:
passwd change error ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: Can Redhat 6.2 run on Umsdos filesystems(FAT32)?Answer to my E-mail PLEASE.
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: pppd rejects "auth chap MD5" (Guy White)
Re: MBR issue - can't install new OS (David)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: Cannot use xconfig or menuconfig (Chris Barone)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (kristian ragndahl)
Re: Which distribution for file server? (Equinox)
INIT: Id "x" respawining too fast: disabled for 5 minutes -- and it won't stop!
(Dave Brondsema)
I have the same problem (Re: NEWBIE:date problem) ("Ross Levis")
Re: 3c59x using IRQ 0, how to change? (Hal Burgiss)
Creating a boot floopy from a rescue disk (Ken Kachnowich)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: passwd change error
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:00:12 GMT
Hi,
We install the redhat 6.0. Then we installed the user quota that comes
with the package. now, when i do passwd to enter a new passwd for a user
and after the final entring and hitting the enter key, the system halts
and i get the system freeze. what would be the cause?.
Please if you do not mind email me copies of your posts/replies. My
access to newsgroups are limited. Greatly appreciated.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:15:00 -0700
Robert Krawitz wrote:
>
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Robert Krawitz wrote:
>
> > > > Take Boeing as an example. If they go the free software route, they can
> > > > save millions in software costs, but they decided against it, because
> > > > it's not practical for such a big international corp to switch
> > > > everything, tens of thousands of employees in numourous countries, and,
> > > > the trainning costs and time loss will far outcosted the cost saving in
> > > > free software.
> > >
> > > That's quite a different issue.
> >
> > That's part of the total costs too. Isn't it!?
>
> Of course it is, but that has nothing to do with free vs. proprietary
> software; it's a matter of frictional losses in retraining on anything.
But we're discussoing the overall values of "free" vs. propriety
software. Ain't we?
So. That should be part of the total equation too.
> --
> Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
>
> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
> Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Project lead for The Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net
>
> "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
> --Eric Crampton
--
- Alex / blowfish.(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000. All Rights Reserved.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Redhat 6.2 run on Umsdos filesystems(FAT32)?Answer to my E-mail
PLEASE.
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:08:54 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <8mcg32$fqu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In alt.linux Stefan Viljoen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : Aleksandar Antok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> : news:8ma0hb$337$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> :> Can Redhat 6.2 run on Umsdos filesystems(FAT32)?
> :> My hard-drive crashed when I maked Ext2 partition, so this time I
want to
> : go
> :> much easier way by installing Redhat 6.2 on FAT32 partition.
>
> : Depends on what you mean by "run on". As in "can it read them" the
answer is
> : yes - on my system
>
> : mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win -t vfat
>
> : after
>
> : mkdir /mnt/win
>
> : works just fine (do mkdir /mnt/win ONCE only!) for reading and
writing in
> : the "windows part" of my HDD.
>
> : If you mean "run on" such as "execute from / or boot from" the
answer as far
> : as I know is no - Linux must boot from a native Linux partition
formatted as
> : an Ext2. (Right?)
>
> No. He is asking about a UMSDOS filesystem, which is a filesystem
completely
> conatined in a contiguous file on your DOS/Windows filesystem. This
is not
> the same thing as an msdos/vfat file system, which you seem to be
describing here.
>
> I think Corel linux, and maybe Slackware (my first Linux 7 years ago
was a
> Slackware UMSDOS install) support this. I'm pretty sure Redhat DOES
NOT.
>
> Personally I don't think it is really easier. After a couple months
after doing
> this myself (granted, a long time ago), my UMSDOS partition
mysteriously got
> corrupted and I had to reinstall. The only thing that is really
easier is
> deleting linux, but who would want to do that? ;-)
>
> Chris
>
Actually UMSDOS is not a contiguous file. See zipslack for details.
Also, aaca, you might want to install zipslack, then install redhat
packages one by one, either with init 1 or with a bootdisk. this kinda
borders on crazy, so proceed with caution.
One more suggestion: free as much space as possible, (600MB is prob
safe) and try to get to a text (ncurses) installation. This usually
provides you with the maximum amount of options and control that an
install allows.
--
etoffi
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:38:40 -0700
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Robert Krawitz wrote:
>
> > > The claim at hand is that copyright interferes with the workings of a
> > > truly free market by forbidding others from making copies and selling
> > > them (giving one person an artificial monopoly in the good).
> > >
> > If you are not the owner/creator of that object. Then, you have no right
> > to sell, modify or do anything with it without the owner/creator's
> > permission. Period.
>
> but an idea is *not* an object. period.
>
Agree.
> why should an idea be owned? can an idea be owned? sometimes not.
> e.g., mathematics cannot be patented or copyrighted. the square root
> of two is a concept free for anyone's taking -- yet it is created.
Please re-read my posts carefully. I said when the idea had became a
tangible object/item. Then, that object, as based on the "once was only
an idea" can then be owned.
An idea before being materialised cannot really be owned. I have to
agree on that. Even it's debatable to a certain extents. I'm not a
bonehead like some blind faith wroshipper of the GNU-GPL.
> --
> J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> sysengr
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: Guy White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pppd rejects "auth chap MD5"
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:41:46 GMT
In comp.os.linux.setup Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> Yes, you are fine, as you put it into the options file. You would have
> found it did nto work had you put it into the pppd command line. So
> either works-- name is just more restrictive.
After I found out that *all* of the options can go in /etc/ppp/options
instead of using them from the command line that's the way I do now.
When I want to start my ISP connection I just type 'pppd', it
picks up and goes. With the _demand_ option enabled I don't even have
to do that. The author(s) of pppd thought of everything.
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MBR issue - can't install new OS
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 00:19:39 -0700
do a format MBR or do a low level format followed by fdisk and than format
c:/s I do not recall the the complete call for formatting the MBR though.
I can look it up for you on Monday when I go back to work if you need
David
Charlie wrote:
> Most of you won't think is a problem, but I can't install Windows on my
> computer. I had SuSE Linux on a 2 gig partition, using LILO to boot. I
> deleted the partition using FDISK, formatted and SYS'd the drive using a
> bootable DOS disk. I go through the whole NT setup procedure, but when
> I reboot, all I get are the letters "LI" in the corner of the screen,
> and it stops there.
>
> How can I write over the master boot record and fix this?
>
> By the way the only reason I need NT is to use a Quicknet Line Jack
> phone card. The app is not available yet for Linux, though drivers are
> under development.
> www.quicknet.net
>
> Thanks.
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:42:56 -0700
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Christopher Browne wrote:
> > >
> > > Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> > > >Christopher Browne wrote:
> > > >> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> > > >> >Johan Kullstam wrote:
> > > >> >> if you can't own it, you can't be stealing it right?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >Here goes your twisted logic again...
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Okay. A just robbed a bank. Then you go and robbed A, took the money
> > > >> >that A robbed from the bank.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >You didn't robbed the bank directly, but you're in process of the bank's
> > > >> >money by robbing A.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Does that makes you a lesser criminal??????????????
> > > >>
> > > >> Money is a construct for which ownership is pretty intrinsic.
> > > >>
> > > >> Its _essence_ is as an expression of owned value.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thus, any argument surrounding the notion of things that _cannot be
> > > >> owned_ cannot be applied to money, at least not without taking _great_
> > > >> care to form syllogisms to indicate the lack of ownership.
> > > >
> > > >How/Why money cannot be owned?
> > > >
> > > >If you've created something, anything, and people likes it, they pay you
> > > >money for it, or for a copy of it. Then, you've *EARNED* that money, and
> > > >that money belongs to you. You have every legal title over that money.
> > > >
> > > >Or if your parents have earned the money, and passed it down to you,
> > > >then, you have inherented the money bevause of your parents. Even if you
> > > >didn't work for it yourself.
> > > >
> > > >That money is still yours. And you're the legal owner of that money.
> > >
> > > I don't disagree with all that; the notion of being "owned" is pretty
> > > intrinsic to money.
> > >
> > > The point is that if the original premise concerned something that
> > > _couldn't_ be owned, it is problematic to try to build analogies using
> > > money, which _is_ owned.
> > >
> > The *only* things that cannot be owned are the things that you are not
> > entilted to.
> >
> > Let me ask you this:
>
> no, let me ask you this:
>
> what is a strawman?
>
> let's see you stick to the subject instead of proffering an endless
> stream of strawmen, hmm?
>
A (kind of) human looking thing made out of bundled straws, with human
clothings on it, used most in the fields in farms to scare off birds and
so on that might come in and eat the crops. Kind of like a guard on the
field.
> --
> J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Don't Fear the Penguin!
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: Chris Barone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cannot use xconfig or menuconfig
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:43:17 GMT
I have same problem, and my 'make' commands, also give me errors. I'm
using kernel 2.2.16-3. I had no problems before changeing kernels. I
have the source kernels loaded, but they are the RH ones. Does this
matter? If so, can you explain how to load the correct ones? Thanks in
advance- Chris
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From: kristian ragndahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 7 Aug 2000 22:02:35 GMT
>>>>> "b" == blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
b> John Hasler wrote:
>> You know even less about accounting then you do about
>> copyright, and you have clearly never operated a business.
b> Those are the jobs of my attorney and tax accountant. That's
b> what they're for. ;-)
I guess they don't cost you anything since their services
are tax deductable?
--
kristian ragndahl, http://www.ragndahl.cx/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Equinox)
Subject: Re: Which distribution for file server?
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:48:42 GMT
On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:38:52 +0200, Staffan Emren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> I was thinking about installing Mandrake 7.2 because I have experience
>> installing it. However I know it comes with KDE loaded by default.. is
>> this a mistake? I've heard KDE is a memory pig, and I'm not sure how it
>> will do on 48MB of RAM.
>
> X itself is a "memory pig", and whatever window manager you run will not
> change that. But it's as simple to avoid as not starting X (boot into
> runlevel 3, don't run startx).
X is indeed a memory pig, and KDE is a memory pig itself, which
compounds the problem. Having said that, however, I have to mention
that I am running X with KDE on my laptop (Toshiba Satellite Pro
430CDT -- 120MHz Pentium, 48MB RAM, 1.2GB HDD, Slackware 7.0 w/2.2.16
kernel, 48MB swap), and it's still faster than Winderz95.
What you should use depends on what you need in a GUI -- if you need a
GUI at all. For a file server, the only thing a graphical interface
would be useful for is to allow you to see multiple terminal windows
at once. Maybe a CPU or network usage meter.
X isn't your only option, and it's certainly overkill for this
application, but it's probably the only one that you'll be able to get
help with if something goes wrong. I'm hoping (even betting) that
this will change when the Yopy comes out, and we start seeing some
apps for W. Until then, try to find a nice lightweight X window
manager.
--Russell
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email (spam-disabled):
rdh *at* salug *dot* org
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From: Dave Brondsema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: INIT: Id "x" respawining too fast: disabled for 5 minutes -- and it won't
stop!
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:54:20 GMT
I have a RH 6.2 system installed with the "Server Installation".
Everything seems to be working fine now, but while I was working some
bugs out, I restarted several times in succession.
Now I get the following message after everything boots and starts (no
problems):
INIT: Id "x" respawining too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
If I just wait, it appears a 2nd time (5 minutes later) and will never
stop.
If I hit enter, I can log into the system (text-only). Every 5 minutes
the message will re-appear.
I've tried waiting a long time while: 1) the computer is off 2) I'm
logged in 3) I'm not logged in.
How do I fix it so the windows system will automatically launch after
everything boots???
Thanks in advance
--
Dave Brondsema
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From: "Ross Levis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I have the same problem (Re: NEWBIE:date problem)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:59:18 +1200
I have the same problem from the day I installed RH6.2. I have just been
ignoring it but it would be good to fix it.
I suggest installing a newer version of linuxconf as the one included can
badly screw up the samba configuration file. It doesn't help the date
problem however.
Ross.
nilesh bhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8mn2k9$idk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> hello !
> i have installed Red Hat linux 6.2 on my system in server mode.the machine
> has two lan cards.
> during installation i opted for "asia/calcutta" time zone.
> installation went quite smoothly.
> every thing seems to be running quite fine.
> there's no problem (no error) during bootup process.
> But whenever i run LINUXCONF and exit from it , i get following
> messages-------
>
> 1)the file /etc/inetd.conf as a revision date in the future.this probably
> means that u system time is wrong or as been wrong at some point.
> 2)the file /etc/sysconfig/mouse as a revision date in the future.this
> probably
> means that u system time is wrong or as been wrong at some point.
> 3)the file /etc/x11/fs/config as a revision date in the future.this
> probably
> means that u system time is wrong or as been wrong at some point.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> what does these messages mean ? can they cause any problem ??
> how to stop these messages from coming ?
>
> i checked my bios clock settings and system time and found them to be o.k.
> this problem only comes while exiting from LINUXCONF.
>
> pl. reply at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> thank's
> regards--nilesh bhala
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: 3c59x using IRQ 0, how to change?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:03:55 GMT
On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:12:33 GMT, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I can't get my LInux 6.2 to get on the network. Can't ping anything
>and can't ping the box from another pc. Looking at the
>/var/log/messages, when it loads the Cyclone driver for my 3com Fast
>Etherlink XL PCI, it says "might not work on IRQ=0" and it does try IRQ
>0. How do I change it to IRQ 11 (which is what I think it should be)?
>
>Probably a easy programming answer.
Easier than that. Turn off PnP in BIOS.
--
Hal B
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From: Ken Kachnowich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Creating a boot floopy from a rescue disk
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:02:38 -0400
I will answer my own question here since it may help someone else or
somebody
can tell me a better way.
The problem:
I installed Rh 6.0 on a new system and when I tried to create a boot
floppy it failed. I did not want to load lilo.
What I did:
1) Create a rescue disk. You have to have access to a running Linux
system with a
working CD, which I think is a dumb idea for a "rescue" system.
mount /mnt/cdrom
cd /mnt/cdrom/images
dd if=rescue.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=72k
2) Boot the rescue disk
Boot from the install/upgrade boot disk.
At the boot: prompt type rescue
When prompted put the rescue disk in and hit return
3) Mount your Linux partition
mkdir /hd << just a mount point. call
it what you like
mount -t ext2 /dev/hda6 /hd << your partition will vary here
4) Set your path
PATH=/hd/bin:/hd/sbin:/hd/usr/bin;export PATH
5) Copy mkbootdisk and mkinitrd
cd /hd/sbin
cp mkbootdisk mkbootdisk.sav
cp mkinitrd mkinitrd.sav
6) Edit mkbootdisk and mkinitrd
Look for paths starting at root and add /hd. Look for /boot, /lib,
/etc, etc
7) Run mkbootdisk
If you missed anything in #6 you will see messages here
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