Linux-Setup Digest #355, Volume #19 Tue, 8 Aug 00 22:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: user .profile not executing ("Ross Levis")
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Loadlin Problem ("Terry Smerling")
Kdevelop installation Help appreciated. (Myint)
Re: Linux on AMD (shook)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: .bash_logout for su ... (Dave Skolnick)
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:57:50 -0700
Robert Krawitz wrote:
>
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > why should an idea be owned? can an idea be owned? sometimes not.
> > > e.g., mathematics cannot be patented or copyrighted. the square root
> > > of two is a concept free for anyone's taking -- yet it is created.
> >
> > Please re-read my posts carefully. I said when the idea had became a
> > tangible object/item. Then, that object, as based on the "once was only
> > an idea" can then be owned.
>
> Right, but a copy of that object is not that object itself!
Only after you have been smoking funny smoke. ;-)
> --
> Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
>
> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
> Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Project lead for The Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net
>
> "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
> --Eric Crampton
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:00:00 -0700
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Johan Kullstam wrote:
> > >
> > > blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > Robert Krawitz wrote:
> > >
> > > > > The claim at hand is that copyright interferes with the workings of a
> > > > > truly free market by forbidding others from making copies and selling
> > > > > them (giving one person an artificial monopoly in the good).
> > > > >
> > > > If you are not the owner/creator of that object. Then, you have no right
> > > > to sell, modify or do anything with it without the owner/creator's
> > > > permission. Period.
> > >
> > > but an idea is *not* an object. period.
> > >
> > Agree.
> >
> > > why should an idea be owned? can an idea be owned? sometimes not.
> > > e.g., mathematics cannot be patented or copyrighted. the square root
> > > of two is a concept free for anyone's taking -- yet it is created.
> >
> > Please re-read my posts carefully. I said when the idea had became a
> > tangible object/item. Then, that object, as based on the "once was only
> > an idea" can then be owned.
>
> is software tangible? you cannot touch it. the disk or medium it
> came upon, yes. but the software itself, no. therefore, the answer
> to my first question is -- no, by definition of tangible.
>
> ideas like software differ from objects in that they have the copy
> property. you can copy and share an idea and not lose its intrisic
> utility. e.g., if i know how to solve a certain equation and explain
> to you how to solve it, i do not lose my ability. we both would have
> it.
>
> furthermore, ideas are often made *more* valuable by sharing. e.g.,
> if i know how to read and write english it helps to have many more
> people who also know how to read and write english since they will
> produce text in english for me to read.
>
> this is different from objects. if i loan you my car, i lose the use
> of the car for as long as you have it. you can copy the software on
> the cd-rom, but not the cd-rom in and of itself.
>
> because ideas act very differently from objects, i have a hard time
> seeing why the law should treat them the same. i don't understand why
> the government should try to artificially force it into the mold of a
> object when the closest they can come is a mercantilist patent or
> license rather than a capitalistic commodity.
>
> > An idea before being materialised cannot really be owned. I have to
> > agree on that. Even it's debatable to a certain extents. I'm not a
> > bonehead like some blind faith wroshipper of the GNU-GPL.
>
> ad hominem will get you no where. it's as worthless as your strawmen.
>
So is your idea of free everything.
Look at things from a non-geek's angle and you'll see things
differently.
> --
> J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> sysengr
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:04:37 -0700
John Hasler wrote:
>
> blowfish writes:
> > I said when the idea had became a tangible object/item. Then, that
> > object, as based on the "once was only an idea" can then be owned.
>
> > An idea before being materialised cannot really be owned. I have to agree
> > on that.
>
> If an idea cannot be owned, then embodying that idea into a tangible object
> that you own cannot be theft no matter what you do with that object or how
> you obtained the idea.
>
> If an object embodying an idea can be owned, then converting objects that
> you own into duplicates of such an object that you own cannot be theft, no
> matter what you do with those objects.
Okay.
Let's say:
Somebody stole your idea (of what you were going to contribute to
Debian/GNU-GPL-whatever. The same idea/codes that you got $25k as a
reward from the Finnish government.) and submitted it to Debian, whoever
ahead of you, but it's the same copy of what you've got; and now this
person got the $25k reward from the same Finnish govt., with a copy of
the codes that you wrote.
Now. How would you feel about that!?
> --
> John Hasler
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dancing Horse Hill
> Elmwood, Wisconsin
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:09:35 -0700
Robert Krawitz wrote:
>
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Robert Krawitz wrote:
>
> > > As for the relevance part: just because a market is illegal doesn't
> > > make it not fit the definition of a free market.
> > >
> > > The claim at hand is that copyright interferes with the workings of a
> > > truly free market by forbidding others from making copies and selling
> > > them (giving one person an artificial monopoly in the good).
>
> > If you are not the owner/creator of that object. Then, you have no right
> > to sell, modify or do anything with it without the owner/creator's
> > permission. Period.
>
> Ah. The owner/creator of the OBJECT. But we're not talking about the
> OBJECT; we're talking about someone independently making a copy of the
> object. Entirely different.
>
An original Picaso painting by Picaso is a Picaso painting.
A copy is a *counterfeit* of the Picaso painting. If someone made a copy
of the same painting independently.
See the difference?
> > All I can say is: Take your arguement to a *real* business person, and
> > to court... ;-)
>
> I'm not talking about business here.
Time to skip topic again? I thought we're talking about free market,
free trade,free beer, free-free...????
> --
> Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
>
> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
> Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Project lead for The Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net
>
> "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
> --Eric Crampton
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: "Ross Levis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: user .profile not executing
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:09:04 +1200
(RH6.2)
Thanks for your reply.
I read the man which didn't help. I established it was executing
.bash_profile but not .profile. I then loaded KDE User Manager and altered
the users login shell from "/bin/bash" to "<Empty>" and then it worked! Why
would that make a difference?
Cheers,
Ross.
Villy Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:36:08 +1200, Ross Levis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >The .profile in one users folder stoped being executed at login. I've
> >checked the permissions are OK and the user can edit the file. Other
users
> >work fine. Where is this controlled from?
> >
>
>
> ... by the existense of the .bash_profile file in the user's home
> directory.
>
> Check the chapter INVOCATION of man bash
>
>
>
> Villy
>
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:12:11 -0700
Robert Krawitz wrote:
>
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > So far, you're doing a real good job of showing that you can't stay on
> > > track. You keep changing subjects, and not addressing the original
> > > claim, which is that:
> > > "if you can't own it, you can't be stealing it right?"
>
> > To humanoids like you. You just take whatever your heart (or are you
> > powered by GNU-GPLed cpu?)
> > desires without ANY concerns about others, or anything. A totally
> > self-centered, SELFISHED, elitist, and obnoxious bunch of
> > mofo.foo.bar.humanoids.
>
> You're arguing with a number of people who have actually written
> software and donated it back to the community, and who might thereby
> know what they're talking about. Perhaps the same could be said for
> you, but I have my doubts.
I have donated to charities, and have done volunteer work for such
purpose. But like I've said before. My coding will scare people off,
even they work. I do Frankenstein style of codings. :-)
And no. I DONNOT believe in GNU-GPL, Free beer.
> --
> Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
>
> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
> Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Project lead for The Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net
>
> "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
> --Eric Crampton
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
------------------------------
From: "Terry Smerling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Loadlin Problem
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:28:35 GMT
Let me start by saying that I am a newbie but pretty handy around MS
operating systems. I have Corel Linux installed in the first logical
partition of my second hard drive, but it is "stranded" there because I
deactivated LILO.
When I attempt to load my Corel Linux partition using Loadlin I get the
following error message:
"Warning <<<wrong ufstype may corrupt your filesystem, default is
ufstype=old
Attempt to access beyond end of device
03:43: rw=0, wait=9, limit=1
dev 03:43 blksize=1024 blocknr8 sector=16, size=1024 Count=1
Kernel panic: ufs: unable to mount root fs on 03:43"
Can anyone help me out here. Once Loadlin loads, and I get to the boot
prompt, what command do I put in? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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From: Myint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kdevelop installation Help appreciated.
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:29:58 GMT
I am a 8 months old newbie.
I downloaded kdevelop and install it the best I can figure out.
Configure and make go fine.
On make install I got, I think the first problem because I can not find any
new exec-able modules in all bin or sbin I did today. .Os are in the
direectory. the out put looks like the following but I can not figure out.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/opt/kdevelop-1.1/kdevelop/pics'
Making install in kwrite
WHEN I LOOK AT IT, "kwrite" IS NOT THERE.
make[2]: Entering directory `/opt/kdevelop-1.1/kdevelop/kwrite'
Making install in pix
make[3]: Entering directory `/opt/kdevelop-1.1/kdevelop/kwrite/pix'
make[4]: Entering directory `/opt/kdevelop-1.1/kdevelop/kwrite/pix'
make[4]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
/bin/sh ../../../mkinstalldirs /opt/kde/share/apps/kdevelop/pix
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./bookmark.xpm
/opt/kde/share/apps/kdevelop/pix/bookmark.xpm
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./breakpoint.xpm
/opt/kde/share/apps/kdevelop/pix/breakpoint.xpm
If you can spare a few minutes please help me via cnet help or UMinKyaw@
aol.com.
Thanks.
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux on AMD
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:29:59 GMT
I am thinking of setting up Linux on an AMD machine. Did you have any
problem with the install or after the install?
Shook
Saty Desai wrote:
>
> Hi :
>
> I'm beta testing Linux on an AMD Athlon box with an Adaptec 131x/141x
> SCSI adapter..
>
> I'd like to hear from others who have setup and loaded Linux (and the
> version and vendor) on AMD boxes or any other hardware containing
> Adaptec 131x/141x internal SCSI hard drive adapters ...
>
> I would really appreciate your help and thanks for your help in advance
>
>
> Saty
>
>
> --
> Saty Desai
>
>
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http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:07:31 +0100
In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>>
>> blowfish writes:
>> > I did have many of my work copyrighted (not computer related, but in
>> > arts.)
>>
>> No. You have _all_ of your works copyrighted. Copyright is automatic.
>>
> No. You have to file for copyrights on each piece of work, or as a
> batch. It's NOT automatic.
Yes it is!
You write something, it is YOURS until you pass those rights on to someone
else. If you can PROVE you wrote it, you can prove your copyrights to it!
You do NOT have to register it with anyone.
> I've been doing this for ages.
Fine, if you like that kind of thing. All that does is add to your portfolio
of "proof" of ownership. Any way of proof is fine, including putting a copy
of your work into the hands of someone trustworthy, like a bank in a sealed
and dated envelope.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:16:55 +0100
In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The arguement of costs is not important at all.
> At least for any real businesses.
> You see. Business software is part of the business expenses, so, they're
> tax deductable.
> The money has got to go, either to the software companies, or to the tax
> collectors.
Or to other parts of the business that may need
financing/upgrading/expanding... There's no law saying a business must spend
X percent on software a year to claim tax benefits, is there?
Money saved on software can be better spent elsewhere.
Or didn't you think of that?
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| in | "THAT WOULD BE AN ECUMENICAL MATTER!...FECK!!!! |
| Computer Science | - Father Jack in "Father Ted" |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:19:16 +0100
In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> He mentioned communism, not Marxism (I favor neither, but communism at
>> least makes sense).
> If communism make sense. Then, why China - the last BIG communism
> country in the world is opening up to capitalism!?
Because they lost their communist ethos, the same way russia lost it, and
all the others lost it? The moment people gained power, communism fell apart
as they got greedy and strived for more power and luxury.
There hasn't been a genuine communist government anywhere on this planet
yet!
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| in |good to you so far... |
| Computer Science | -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy.|
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From: Dave Skolnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: .bash_logout for su ...
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:04:52 GMT
Perfect! I can add an alias to the system initialization file:
alias su="/bin/su -"
and I don't even have to remember! Thanks ...
Dave
ljb wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >I am trying to keep track of configuration changes on my system. I have
> >set up a small script called adminlog (below) to maintain a
> >chronological log. My root/.bash_logout calls it (file also below).
> >Unfortunately it does not work when I log in as a user over a telnet
> >session and su to root. Any suggestions on how to force something to run
> >when one logs out of an su session?
> >...
>
> Bash only runs a logout script for "login" shells. The only thing
> I can think of is to get in the habit of using "su -" which gives
> you a login shell; when you close that your .bash_logout will run.
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