Linux-Setup Digest #356, Volume #19 Wed, 9 Aug 00 00:13:16 EDT
Contents:
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Patton Echols)
Re: Configuring Kernel (Paul Kimoto)
KDE: Setup Apps to run in virtual desktops. (Steven Carlson)
Copyright Complexities (Christopher Browne)
Re: NTFS file system support ("D. C. & M. V. Sessions")
SB PCI 128 problem (Donald K Knepshield)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: disk manager software ("NoSpam@")
Re: newbie needs a linux god to grace his lowly telnet problem. (John Arrowwood)
Re: WinLinux 2000 on a ThnikPad 390 ? (DW)
Re: ping from Linux -> Win98 = OK, but not OK Win98 -> Linux. Can anyone (Valentin
Guillen)
Re: HP LaserJet 4000 (Rod Smith)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Christopher Browne)
weird cron problem (dave)
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From: Patton Echols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:18:55 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> You, as author, automatically have rights to copy the material as you
> >> please.
> >>
> > Yes. But still you have to file for copyrights before you can be legally
> > protected under the law.
>
> Rubbish.
> If things work like that where you live, you live in a REALLY screwed up
> place.
>
You are both correct. Copyright is automatic. -AND- you get additional
and valuable rights under federal copyright law if you register. This
is also true of teh Hague convention on copyright.
Cheers, Patton
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Configuring Kernel
Date: 8 Aug 2000 22:21:49 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Warren Cundy wrote:
> I'm running a version Caldera OpenLinux 2.3, and I'm trying to reconfigure
> the kernel. The book it came with (Caldera OpenLinux Unleashed), is not
> really helping. All FAQ's I can find on the subject make reference to a
> "make config", "make menuconfig" or "make xconfig" commands, but my
> directories don't exactly match as far as /usr/src/linux.2.2.10, etc, and
> I've searched all around the src directories and I can't run "make" from any
> of them...
>
> Under COAS (Caldera OpenLinux Admin Something :) there is a kernel config
> option, but it only seems to relate to hardware.
>
> Specifically I'm trying to install some firewalling tools.
Have you installed the kernel source (80 MB or so of code)?
Conventionally it is put in /usr/src/linux or
/usr/src/linux-SOME.VERSION.NUMBER. That's the directory that
should contain the (top-level) Makefile (which includes the
"config", "menuconfig", and "xconfig" targets).
--
Paul Kimoto
Disclaimer: Other than explicit citations of URLs, hyperlinks appearing
in this article have been inserted without the permission of the author.
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From: Steven Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.kde,linux.help,linux.net,comp.os.linux
Subject: KDE: Setup Apps to run in virtual desktops.
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:24:38 GMT
I currently have four virtual desktops setup (Desktop, Telnet, Netscape,
and Konsole) and have setup my box to execute all of the programs I want
open when I boot (i.e. telnet connection, netscape, etc..). Now what I
would like to know is how I can force these programs (and others I
execute later on during my session) to go to a specific virtual desktop
and if possible to load up the last location in which the program was
previously at during last execution.
The only thing I could think of was making some type of shell script to
put in my auto start folder that would execute my programs, send them to
a specific virtual desktop, resize, and then move the apps accordingly.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
thank you,
Steven Carlson
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Copyright Complexities
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:33:59 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when [EMAIL PROTECTED] would say:
>In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> John Hasler wrote:
>>>
>>> blowfish writes:
>>> > I did have many of my work copyrighted (not computer related, but in
>>> > arts.)
>>>
>>> No. You have _all_ of your works copyrighted. Copyright is automatic.
>>>
>> No. You have to file for copyrights on each piece of work, or as a
>> batch. It's NOT automatic.
>
>Yes it is!
>You write something, it is YOURS until you pass those rights on to someone
>else. If you can PROVE you wrote it, you can prove your copyrights to it!
>
>You do NOT have to register it with anyone.
That (automatic copyright) has been true, in the US, since 1978.
Before that, filing was needed in order to put copyright into effect.
>> I've been doing this for ages.
>
>Fine, if you like that kind of thing. All that does is add to your portfolio
>of "proof" of ownership. Any way of proof is fine, including putting a copy
>of your work into the hands of someone trustworthy, like a bank in a sealed
>and dated envelope.
In the US, you _do_ have to file copyright with the US Copyright Office
before you go to court to pursue a case of copyright infringement.
And there are some statutory penalties for copyright infringement that
only apply if you filed with the Office fairly soon after producing
the work. (That means you might get _extra money_ out of infringers.)
So if you expect copyright on your works to be infringed, it would be
a very _good_ idea to file early and file often.
But if you don't expect infringement, then it may be reasonable to wait
to do the filing until there _is_ an infringement. At that point, your
lawyer will likely tell you that you MUST file right away.
--
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All ITS machines now have hardware for a new machine instruction --
STMLMD Skip To My Lou, My Darlin'.
Please update your programs.
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From: "D. C. & M. V. Sessions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NTFS file system support
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:41:16 -0700
Rod Smith wrote:
>
> [Posted and mailed]
>
> In article <8ml1i7$gtq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Michael Mowbray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Distribution: Redhat 6.2, Kernel 2.2.14-5 (or something like that).
> >
> > I tried to mount a Win2000 NTFS partition (of a dual boot machine) using
> > mount -t ntfs ... and error message was something along the lines of 'kernel
> > does not have ntfs support compiled in'. Rather than attempt a kernel
> > rebuild I went looking for modules and found an NTFS module but it only
> > provides read-only access. So I reformatted the Win2000 partition as FAT32
> > and mounted it on Linux as vfat without problems, but now face the usual
> > issues with vfat mounts in Linux regarding file ownership, permissions etc.
> > I have also lost the benefits of the NTFS file system in Win2000 (primarily
> > security).
> >
> > I'm assuming from the original error message that there is ntfs support that
> > I can choose during a kernel configuration?
>
> Correct.
>
> > Does anyone have any comments
> > to make about it? Does it preserve security settings/ownership/permissions
> > between Win2000 & Linux?
>
> No. The Linux NTFS support is pretty primitive. AFAIK, it does *NOT*
> translate WinNT/2K security into Linux security, so you've got the same
> file ownership and permissions issues in Linux that you have when using
> FAT partitions. Further, although there *IS* read/write support
> (contrary to what somebody else posted), it's officially experimental,
> which means I do **NOT** recommend using it on any system that's
> important to you.
>
> IMHO, the best bet for sharing files between Linux and Windows NT or
> 2000 is to install Windows on its own NTFS partition, to which Linux
> will not have access (or perhaps Linux will have read-only access, if
> you want to read TrueType fonts from it or some such). You can then
> create a FAT partition for data exchange purposes. You can either store
> document files directly on that partition or copy files there prior to
> rebooting between OSs.
Third option: run NT in VMware and share over the (virtual) network.
That way, security and permissions *do* apply, and you're actually
using NT to access NTFS so it's as reliable as you can get (which,
with Windows, is a matter of some debate.)
Works for me.
--
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+----------- D. C. & M. V. Sessions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----------+
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donald K Knepshield)
Subject: SB PCI 128 problem
Date: 9 Aug 2000 02:42:22 GMT
Hi all. I recently bought a SB PCI 128 soundcard and have been fighting for
several weeks to get it to work. The system can detect it, installs the
es1371 drivers, but cannot get any sound out of it. sndconfig lets me set it,
but I don't hear any sound during the tests. It is assigned irq 10, as I
expected. I was wondering if any one has gotten this card to work, and if
they would share what they had to do, if anything to get it to work. Thanks
in advance.
--
Kevin Knepshield
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:52:57 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The arguement of costs is not important at all.
>
> > At least for any real businesses.
>
> > You see. Business software is part of the business expenses, so, they're
> > tax deductable.
>
> > The money has got to go, either to the software companies, or to the tax
> > collectors.
>
> Or to other parts of the business that may need
> financing/upgrading/expanding... There's no law saying a business must spend
> X percent on software a year to claim tax benefits, is there?
>
I don't think so.
> Money saved on software can be better spent elsewhere.
> Or didn't you think of that?
But with many, if not most major corperations. If they do not spend all
the money in the budget, then, they'll get less money for their
department on the next round of budgeting.
So. They have to spend all the money. One way or the other.
(I'm not talking about small business here. I'm talking about those that
get tens of million of dollar, or more for IT budget every year.)
>
> --
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--
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needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: "NoSpam@" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: disk manager software
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 03:10:40 GMT
My experience with most 3rd party diskware is that
the are useless at best but can be even dangerous.
Took me years to heed that advice at my own expense,
so reserve that option for a dire straits scenario.
DISK.COM will tell you what your BIOS can handle;
if you see 10 gb's then you're oK. If not then try
to upgrade the BIOS.
=====================================================
The following is a paste from a large (200+k) file:
http://catamax.com/pub/compuke/dasbot/dasbotte.htm
=====================================================
LiLo (Linux Loader) comes as a part of all Linux distros
but the latest version at the time of this edit is 21.5
and it can be downloaded off the net @
ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/boot/lilo/lilo-21.5.tar.gz
[snip]
A little dos prog called DISK.COM bundled with the LiLo
downloadable can be run from a dos boot floppy and it will
report the status of hard drives and of BIOS.
On my machine this looks like:
0x80 CHS 1023:255:63 = 8.41gb EDD rev 2.1 geometry = 26,238:16:63 =
13.59 gb
0x81 CHS 1023:255:63 = 8.41 gb EDD rev-2.1 geometry = 59,526,16:63 =
30.72 gb
You have 2 disks with Enhanced BIOS support etc.
=====================================================
HTH
Keith Marshall wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> I'm about to install a new 10 gig seagate hard drive and want to know
> this, If my bios cant handle drives bigger than 8.4 gig (don't know
> this) I might have to install some software to overcome this (like
> seagate's disk manager) will lilo be ok with this do you you think?
>
> any experiences with this?
>
> thanks
> Keith
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From: John Arrowwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: newbie needs a linux god to grace his lowly telnet problem.
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 03:25:58 GMT
Buschman wrote:
> I really don't know why telnet is not working. Everything I have
> looked at seems to be configured properly. My inetd entries look like
> this:
>
> ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.ftp -l -a
> telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.telnetd
> pop-3 stream tcp nowait uucp /usr/sbin/tcpd ipop3d
>
> If you telnet from an outside machine it is able to resolve the name,
> but you get a blank screen and after 5-10 seconds windows says "the
> connection to host lost". The machine is a new install and I have
> installed most services, modules and deamons. Or so I think.
> Sendmail and all e-mail services are working fine. Telnet, Ftp, and
> Pop-3 are not working. I want to concentrate on telnet first. Once I
> figure that one out I have a feel the other two will follow suit. Do
> any linux gods out there have an idea??? Thanks in advance.
>
> Buschman
First thing to check is name resolution. Can the linux box look up the
name that goes with the IP address of the windows box? If not, it will
usually sit there for quite a while before it times out. If you haven't
played with firewall rules or anything (so you can rule out lost
packets), then try adding a static entry in /etc/hosts for the windows
box. If that doesn't help, you'll need to post more details.
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From: DW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WinLinux 2000 on a ThnikPad 390 ?
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:42:48 -0400
How is this the wrong newsgroups ??
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:22:41 -0500, "Timothy H. Schilbach"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Wrong newsgroup buddy...
Thanks In Advance
DW
(Invalid Mail Address so please don't try to send
to it!!)
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From: Valentin Guillen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ping from Linux -> Win98 = OK, but not OK Win98 -> Linux. Can anyone
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:47:25 -0600
Ian Turnbui wrote:
>
anyone any ideas please?
The machines should all share the same network addressing scheme. For
example, they could all be subnetted like
255.255.255.0
And could all be on one network number, like
192.168.0
And they could all belong to a domain like
ian-at-home.org
You could then name each computer like
ian_win_1 with an IP 192.168.0.10
ian_win_2 with an IP 192.168.0.20
ian_lin_1 with an IP 192.168.0.30
and so forth for your various machines.
You need to create a file called hosts
on every machine. On the windoz boxes, search for hosts or hosts.*
This should find the sample file created by default at install time.
Every machine on your network needs to be listed by name and by IP. Use
FQDNs or Fully Qualified Domain Names, and optionally, the nickname of
each machine. Many linux distros have hosts here /etc
All your machines need to have a file called networks usually located
the same place as hosts. You network is called ian-at-home.org and it's
network number is 192.168.0
You can usually leave a default gateway undefined or at 0.0.0.0 Many
dialer software or scripts can be configured to temporarily assign the
default gateway through the ISP's gateway when connected to the
internet.
Make sure that you enable the loopback adapter, at address 127.0.0.1
So after making all these changes, reboot every machine. Walk over to
each box and try ping each machine's loopback adapter by pinging
127.0.0.1.
Then try ping each one by pinging loopback and then again by
pinging it's nickname or or it's FQDN like
ping ian_win_2.ian-at-home.org
This will tell you if each machine recognizes itself by it's nickname,
it's FQDN, and it's assigned IP address.
When each machine recoginzes itself in the varios ways, then try pinging
all the other machines on the net.
Assuming all is well with your routing, etc, all should be well at this
point. An easy test is to open a browser on each machine and try
accessing an Apache Web Server welcome screen on your linux box, if you
have one running. When you can access the web server, edit the
index.html file which it displays so that the welcome screen says which
machine it's running on. That way, whenever you see that screen, you
know immediately what machine you're displaying. Good for diagnostics.
When all is well, you can access any machine on your network by either
IP, or FQDN or nickname.
If you elect to use DHCP or Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol to do
all of this naming and numbering, just remember it is 100% easier than
all of the above, but you really need to understand network numbering
and naming (i.e. TCP/IP) in order to plan and deploy is use. A hosts
file based system works for most smaller networks just fine.
Hope the mumbo helps you out!
Valentin Guillen
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: HP LaserJet 4000
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 03:57:14 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <8mq0sd$1k70$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Mathias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello,
> this is my first posting, so i have to apologize for any mistakes i make.
> I'm not used to the netiquete of mailing-lists.
> I've been trying to configure my printer ( a HP LaserJet 4000) for running
> under Linux (Suse 6.0). It is supported by Ghostscript version 5.5.
Don't try to print to an HP4000 via Ghostscript. The HP4000 is a
PostScript-capable printer, so it doesn't need Ghostscript. Tell your
SuSE printer setup tools that you've got a PostScript printer. If it
still doesn't work, post again, and include the /etc/printcap entry for
the printer.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 03:59:07 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > The arguement of costs is not important at all.
>>
>> > At least for any real businesses.
>>
>> > You see. Business software is part of the business expenses, so, they're
>> > tax deductable.
>>
>> > The money has got to go, either to the software companies, or to the tax
>> > collectors.
>>
>> Or to other parts of the business that may need
>> financing/upgrading/expanding... There's no law saying a business must spend
>> X percent on software a year to claim tax benefits, is there?
>>
>I don't think so.
>> Money saved on software can be better spent elsewhere.
>> Or didn't you think of that?
>
>But with many, if not most major corperations. If they do not spend all
>the money in the budget, then, they'll get less money for their
>department on the next round of budgeting.
You're thinking of cost centers, not corporations. Corporations don't
receive less money if they spend less; they receive less money if they
sell less of whatever it is that they sell.
>So. They have to spend all the money. One way or the other.
>(I'm not talking about small business here. I'm talking about those that
>get tens of million of dollar, or more for IT budget every year.)
If departments save money on one thing, that can allow them to spend
_more_ on other things. If they shovel less money into the pockets of
Microsoft, Oracle, and IBM, for license fees, this can let them spend
that money on _SOMETHING ELSE_.
The principle might be called the "Law of Conservation of Spending,"
which means that "If you find yourself under budget due to something
costing less than expected, that provides the necessity to spend _more_
on something else."
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/linux.html>
Rules of the Evil Overlord #17. "When I employ people as advisors, I
will occasionally listen to their advice."
<http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: weird cron problem
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 06:13:40 +0200
I can use the crontab as root, but not as a user.
I have created the cron file as user using the crontab
-e command. This file is located in /var/spool/cron/user.
The problem is that crond does not execute this file. I have
tried the same as root, and crond did execute it. Why does
cron only works with root generated crontab files? (It's suppose to do
both AFAIK)
(after some doc reading..)
The weird thing is that once I added /etc/cron.allow and /etc/cron.deny
and added user to the /etc/cron.allow, the crontab would say that the
user
is NOT allowed to use crond? What is happening? How can I make crond
execute user
generated crontab files?
I use Linux Mandrake 7.1
thanks, Dave
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