Linux-Setup Digest #489, Volume #19 Sun, 27 Aug 00 13:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: [Q] How to compile kernel in Debian / Storm (Tom Pfeifer)
Server Networking (Kris)
Re: SCSI cdrom player pauses when playing audio (Stuart R. Fuller)
Re: "su" in scripts (Stuart R. Fuller)
Re: Taking the plunge... ("J.T. Wenting")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Mark Preston)
Re: Witch Linux version/setup should I choose ? ("J.T. Wenting")
Re: Debian Potato 1.2 root floppy problem ("J.T. Wenting")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Craig Kelley)
Re: install a mng plug in netscape? (iks)
Redhat 6.0 on a Dell Inspiron 5000 (Zhihui Zhang)
Re: install a mng plug in netscape? (iks)
MDK 7.1 - 650MB HD enough? ("Gerardo")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Craig Kelley)
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From: Tom Pfeifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: [Q] How to compile kernel in Debian / Storm
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:22:29 GMT
Below is the web page the the Debian potato kernel-package, which
provides an automated way to compile a kernel. I run Debian, not Storm,
so I don't know for sure if this package will be completely compatible
with Storm Linux, although it should be:
http://www.debian.org/Packages/stable/misc/kernel-package.html
In any case, you will also have to install the Linux kernel source
tree. That is what goes in /usr/src/linux.
I just took a look on Storm's ftp site (ftp.stormix.com) in the "hail"
directory, and there are two kernel-source packages there. One looks
like the full kernel, while the other has "ide" in the package name. You
can see them here:
ftp://ftp.stormix.com/storm/dists/hail/main/binary-i386/devel/
Since you are running "hail", I would assume that these packages would
also be on your hail CD. Looks like the preferred way to install
packages in Storm Linux is by using the Storm Package Manager. That
should automatically handle all the package dependencies for you.
You should be able to configure it to install packages from your CD, or
directly from the Storm (or Debian) ftp site. By the way, here's the
Storm web page for their package manager:
http://www.stormix.com/products/hail/starter/stormpkg_html
In addition to the kernel source, you will need several other packages
to actually compile a kernel, including the gcc compiler, the make
utility, and the bin86 package. That web page I gave you for the
kernel-package package, gives you a run down on what's needed,
recommended, and suggested.
Tom
Jerome Mrozak wrote:
>
> I'd like to try using Storm Linux on my laptop, a Debian-derived
> distro. One problem I'm having is that apmd isn't supported in the
> "potato" kernel. I'm having trouble finding the packages to compile it.
>
> For example, the Debian recommened packages for compiling is the combo
> of "make-kpkg" and "kernel-package". I can't seem to find them on my
> Stormix hail ISO, and wasn't able to coerce the SPS system to find them
> on my Debian potato ISO. (I simply mounted the potato disk and told SPS
> to Find "kernel". It appeared to use a pre-loaded list of packages,
> rather than investigate my newly-loaded CD.)
>
> I also tried to find the files for "make menuconfig", "make xconfig" and
> "make config", but with no success (most advice said to look in
> /usr/src/linux, which didn't exist in my Stormix "install everything"
> installation).
>
> So how can I add apmd support?
>
> TIA,
> Jerome.
> --
> Jerome Mrozak "Never buy a dog and bark for yourself"
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] --"Slippery" Jim DiGriz
> (the Stainless Steel Rat)
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From: Kris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Server Networking
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:50:52 +0100
Hi
I'm very new to Linux so please forgive the ignorance.
I have purchased Redhat Linux Delux 6.2 and I wish to set up a new Linux
server on my network, which also has an NT4 server & a Netware 5 server
both using IP.
I've run the server installation as instructed in the manual, which
seemed to run OK. However at no time did it ask me what kind of network
card I had installed (It is a 3C905B) although it did ask for host names
and addresses which I specified to comply with the existing network.
Now I need to set up the unit as a server with a shared data area etc.
however I can't even ping the server.
I can login locally as root, and set up new accounts, but I have no idea
whether the network card is installed (I suspect not) or how to
incorporate the server into the existing network.
The manuals and CD documentation are not particularly helpful
Any useful tips would be much appreciated
Kris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R. Fuller)
Subject: Re: SCSI cdrom player pauses when playing audio
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:10:03 GMT
Stuart R. Fuller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: : Hi,
: :
: : I have an Adaptec SCSI card (pretty sure it is an AIC-7892) on my NEC
: : cdrom drive, running RH linux 6.2 I have used the drive successfully
: : to load several large applications. (My way of saying I know its
: : working.) However, when I put in an audio CD and run either gtcd or
: : kscd I get about 1 second of audio, then the program pauses. On gtcd
: : if I go into loop mode, it plays a brief sample (< 1 sec) over and over
: : without difficulty. The rest of the sounds I have setup in linuxconf
: : work fine.
: :
: : My cdrom is actually mapped to /mnt/cdrom1->/dev/cdrom1->/dev/scd0
:
: Hmmm. /mnt/cdrom1 you say? That smells like the CDROM is mounted as a
: filesystem. Doing so is not commonly done.
Let me correct or clarify that last statement. Mounting a CDROM as a
filesystem *when the CD inserted is an audio CD* is not commonly done.
Stu
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R. Fuller)
Subject: Re: "su" in scripts
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:10:04 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: I'm trying to set up Lotus Domino to start automatically in an init.d
: script, and I'm running into a problem.
:
: The notes server only runs properly if it is in its own user name, i.e.
: notes. As such, I need to include in a script an "su" command to change
: to the notes user, then execute the startup command.
:
: However, when I try to do this, it doesn't really change the user. In
: fact, if I write a little script like this:
:
: #!/bin/sh
: su - -c "`who am i`" notes
:
: you'd think I would get something like "machine!notes ..." but instead
: I get "machine!root..."
:
: What's going on? I've read the man pages, but I can't figure out how to
: make this work!
Try:
su - notes -c "`who am i`"
Stu
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From: "J.T. Wenting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Taking the plunge...
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:20:47 +0200
"TomG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Edward wrote:
> >
> > Edward
> >
> >
> 5gb is plenty.
> Your best bet is to borrow the manual from your friend. And get a good
> book. I've found Linux Complete, published by Sybex, $20, ISBN 0-7821-
> 2567-0 to be very useful. It tells you most things you need to know.
> Incidentally, what's Win2K like?
>
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
Win2K is great. Stable, reasonably fast (faster than 98 and X on the same
machine, at least, 95 is still somewhat faster).
Installation and configuration like a cross between 95 and 98 (iow, mostly
automatic but you can override if you need to).
Haven't tried Win2K server, but if it is as good as the WS, it is has the
potential to kill almost everything else on corporate networks (unless those
run custom software for a different OS, of course).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Preston)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:16:20 GMT
For heaven's sake, people!!
If there is ground for a discussion here - and it looks like there may
well be - how about we start with something clearly defined and
discuss that instead of everyone climbing on their own hobby horses
and yelling at each other.
--
--
Mark A. Preston, The Magpie's Nest, Lancashire, UK
Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Website : www.mpreston.demon.co.uk
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From: "J.T. Wenting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Witch Linux version/setup should I choose ?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:24:27 +0200
1) do not use RedHat. It is known for it's bad security record.
Debian is good, so is Suse. Debian is cheaper, Suse is available
commercially (might make a difference to companies).
Debian is not as up-to-date as Suse, but that is just the official distro.
The main reason why they take so long between releases is that they do not
release before every single bug and hole they can find is resolved (and that
takes time).
"M.Voncken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:bzwp5.9966$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Witch Linux version and setup should I choose.
> p100 32MB
>
> I'd like to do do the following with this machine:
>
> 1-internetsharing(DHCP) + firewall
>
> 2-webserver (low traffic/test)
> -apache
> -php
> -mySQL
>
> Thanks,
> Martijn.
>
>
>
>
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From: "J.T. Wenting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian Potato 1.2 root floppy problem
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:26:36 +0200
"Colin Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8o6k9e$la4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >More information: the root image in question, still current AFAIK, is:
> >
> >
debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-1.20/root.bin
> > -rw-rw-r-- 1 troup debadmin 1228800 Jul 5 14:18 root.bin
> > cf2ef71f4a9e90c2f6013ba3b2257ed2 ./images-1.200i/root.bin
> >
> >Closer inspection (with od) reveals that the reason it doesn't work is
> >that it consists entirely of nulls.
>
> Ouch. I've reported this as a Severity: important bug.
>
> >Looks like there was a gap in the testing procedures. Maybe they
> >don't have any machines old enough to boot from 1.2M drives :-).
>
> "They" here = anybody who felt like testing potato, of course, not the
> people in Debian's non-existent offices :)
>
> >So the question remains: where to find a fixed Potato 1.2M i386
> >root image? (I don't have CVS.)
>
> The testing images of the next version of boot-floppies still have this
> problem. I'll be notified automatically when the bug is closed, so I'll
> let you know as soon as that happens.
>
> --
> Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> "Oh baby you're the only thing in this whole world / That's pure and
> good and bright / And wherever you are and wherever you go / There's
> always gonna be some light" - Meat Loaf, "Bat Out Of Hell"
Wasn't the 1.2MB option removed from Potato? If so, the fact that it is
still there (if nulled) is the bug, and not the fact that it is nulled...
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 27 Aug 2000 10:49:38 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper) writes:
> On 26 Aug 2000 10:36:22 -0600, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > With bundles, you can pop in a CD and drag it to wherever you want to
> > put it, and it will all work. I hope Apple hasn't screwed them up in
> > MacOS X, but we'll see.
>
> RISC OS used bundles which were called Applications. ROXFiler
> (rox.sourceforge.net) has support for a similar system.
Interesting. In NeXT-style bundles, an "application bundle" is a
specifict kind of bundle (next to libraries and other types).
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: iks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera
Subject: Re: install a mng plug in netscape?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 03:59:26 -0600
You know friedman, I hate flames but you richly deserve it. The message says
*MY OTHER REDHAT BOX*. I run caldera. Besides, you did not even answer my
question.
As far as trolls go in a newsgroup, your about the worst I ever seen. Your
self-imposed brilliance has made this newsgroup no longer bearable for me.
Assholes like you give Caldera a bad name. If I ever have a problem strictly
related to caldera, I rather switch distros than give such a jerk the
satisfaction of insulting someone without being useful. This is pretty common
opinion from what I seen of other postings.
Simply put, the purpose of newsgroup is not to insult people, but to share
information. To help people with their problems. Your postings more often
than not serve more harm than help, asshole.
He's a real nowhere man, livin' in his nowhere land, making all his nowhere
plans for nobody.
-John Lennon
"L. Friedman" wrote:
> Well, your largest problem at the moment is that you're posting to a
> Caldera NG while using RH. Perhaps you need to figure out which distro
> you want to use, and then ask for assistance in the appropriate forum.
> This isn't it for RedHat.
>
> iks wrote:
> >
> > The instructions everyone seems to be giving to me is not working,
> > because I do not have the menu option in preferences.
> >
> > for instance...
> >
> > Edit->Preferences->Navigator->Applications->
> >
> > I do not have Applications-> in the navigator menu, using 4.73. That
> > menu just sets up a home page. Same thing on my other redhat box.
> >
> > Pardon me for being stupid, but I must be missing something simple here.
> > I installed the file in
> > /opt/netscape/plugins and in ~/.netscape/plugins, but I can't figure out
> > how to see it in help->about plugins.
> >
> > if anyone is interested in mng, chech out
> >
> > http://trolls.troll.no/warwick/mng/
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> The alt.os.linux.caldera FAQ:
> http://netllama.ipfox.com/COL_FAQ.html
> Step-by-step help for COL problems:
> http://netllama.ipfox.com/stepbystep.htm
>
> 11:55pm up 14 min, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.15, 0.14
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:52:13 -0400
From: Zhihui Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Redhat 6.0 on a Dell Inspiron 5000
I am trying to install Redhat 6.0 on a Dell Inspiron 5000 portable. I have
two problems:
(1) I already have an extended partition used entirely for D drive, Can I
create a second extended partition to install Linux into it? I have put
FreeBSD on the same machine so there is only one partition slot left. Two
for windows 98 and one for FreeBSD. I do not want to touch existing OSes.
(2) I could not make the X-windows work. Please tell me what type of card
and monitor should I choose inside Xconfigurator and other things to pay
attention to.
Thanks for your help.
-Zhihui
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From: iks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: install a mng plug in netscape?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:09:33 -0600
Its not a caldera NG, I just posted to both the caldera and a general linux
newsgroup. Obviously the caldera site has some troll problems.
brian wrote:
> When did comp.os.linux.setup become a Caldera NG? I must have missed that
> along with others who use other distributions and continue to use this site.
>
> Brian
>
> "
> L. Friedman" wrote:
>
> > Well, your largest problem at the moment is that you're posting to a
> > Caldera NG while using RH. Perhaps you need to figure out which distro
> > you want to use, and then ask for assistance in the appropriate forum.
> > This isn't it for RedHat.
> >
> > iks wrote:
> > >
> > > The instructions everyone seems to be giving to me is not working,
> > > because I do not have the menu option in preferences.
> > >
> > > for instance...
> > >
> > > Edit->Preferences->Navigator->Applications->
> > >
> > > I do not have Applications-> in the navigator menu, using 4.73. That
> > > menu just sets up a home page. Same thing on my other redhat box.
> > >
> > > Pardon me for being stupid, but I must be missing something simple here.
> > > I installed the file in
> > > /opt/netscape/plugins and in ~/.netscape/plugins, but I can't figure out
> > > how to see it in help->about plugins.
> > >
> > > if anyone is interested in mng, chech out
> > >
> > > http://trolls.troll.no/warwick/mng/
> >
> > --
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > The alt.os.linux.caldera FAQ:
> > http://netllama.ipfox.com/COL_FAQ.html
> > Step-by-step help for COL problems:
> > http://netllama.ipfox.com/stepbystep.htm
> >
> > 11:55pm up 14 min, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.15, 0.14
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From: "Gerardo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: MDK 7.1 - 650MB HD enough?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:03:40 -0400
I have a laptop with Win98 SE (1.2 Gig HD) that has about 650 to 700 MB left
in the harddrive. Is that enough for a decent MDK 7.1 installation?
I plan to use the Partition Magic that comes with the Macmillan Mandrake
6.5 to partition the HD and install the Maximum Linux magazine Mandrake 7.1.
Thank you,
Gerardo
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 27 Aug 2000 10:54:42 -0600
"paul snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[snip about ditching "package managers" all together]
> Ah those simple days of yore! But we can't and we won't go back.
>
> Today we have Java VMs and Adobe Acrobat viewers, and browsers, and browser
> plug-ins, word processing packages, and stock tickers, Internet based games,
> etc. Never mind that we are going to be configuring systems to connect with
> other systems, and use databases, and database clients, and we need to set
> up security, and down load the new versions of our clients, etc.
... enter NeXT-style bundles. They can handle all the above, and you
only need to know how to use cp(1) to install them.
> It isn't going to be simple in the future. It is going to get worse. In
> another post I list a set of requirements we are going to need from a
> package manager. Not want, need. Typewriters are out for good. And
> Redmond may be at fault to some degree, but if so they only pushed us ahead
> in time a bit. It was going to happen to us anyway.
>
> We have to have package managers, but they need to be based on open
> standards. And they need to operate in an environment outside the execution
> environment of the supported computer systems. They need to be able to
> manage cross platform, distributed applications. Why? Because we are on
> the Internet already! We want to bank, we want to order hamburgers on the
> Interstate Hwy so I don't wait for my order! I want to use my PDA to adjust
> my lights in my hotel (cause I don't know where the switches are, but I have
> my PDA), I want to listen to my MP3 files on the rental car's stereo, from
> the station I programmed on the Internet.
>
> We can't do all of this by coping all our files onto our bin directory.
> Sorry.
Why not? Isn't the operating system supposed to do the mundane
things for us anyway?
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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