Linux-Setup Digest #493, Volume #19 Sun, 27 Aug 00 23:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Lizard dies on me (Foo)
HD ticks every second. (Yuval Yohai)
Xanim has horiz stripes and jumps. (Yuval Yohai)
Lots of segmentation faults. (Yuval Yohai)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Christopher Browne)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (David Schreiber)
Second SCSI adapter not found (David Polinsky)
NETSCAPE ERROR! ("UNTOXIK")
Re: Can Linux be installed on my laptop? So far, the answer is no. ("Gerardo")
Re: modem i/o address conflict ("DoDO_DeViL(R)")
Re: free isp ("Hoyt")
Re: RedHat and Windows 2000 (Christian Bannard)
Re: increase microphone volume (James Franklin)
Re: Redhat 6.0 on a Dell Inspiron 5000 ("ozetechnology")
ulimit error ("news.concentric.net")
Re: Can Linux be installed on my laptop? So far, the answer is no. ("Geoff Fox")
Re: Problems setting date (Karl Heyes)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ("paul snow")
Re: "su" in scripts (Robert Nichols)
Re: Can Linux be installed on my laptop? So far, the answer is no. ("F.E. \"Chip\"
Sharp")
Re: NETSCAPE ERROR! (Glitch)
Re: how to block Ctrl+Alt+Del (Glitch)
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:32:30 -0700
From: Foo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Lizard dies on me
Well, I have a nice pretty Lizard installation that is going all nice
and pretty-like. I install it onto a partition pre-prepared with
PartitionMagic, Caledra Edition (1.0g)
The format process seems instantaneous. Maybe PM pre-formatted it...
I get as far as the Select installation screen. I go for a Standard
installation. The little bar at the bottom that is labeled 'Packages'
immediately goes all the way full. I go on through the Sound, LILO, and
time-zone screen, and wait as I play Tetris. That little blue bar is
sitting there, still at 100%.
I look at the help. Apparently something post-installation should be
going on now. But ity doesn't. I wait about half an hour doing other
stuff... then I get sick andtired of waiting and quit.
I ask, why this odd behavior? What should I look into to find out more?
Oh... I hope I don't need to go LISA...
--
"That's not a smile! It's just a bunch of teeth, playng with my mind!"
"Rolly-poly fish-heads, are never seen, drinking cappuccino, in Italian
restraunts, with Oriental women... yeah..."
"Since when does gold float?"
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:28:12 +0300
From: Yuval Yohai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HD ticks every second.
Hi, My HD makes a ticking noise once a second or so (with Windows too),
even when the system is idle for a long time. The HD led also blinks
along with it.
Besides that it is working fine in Linux and Windows.
Any suggestions?
Yuval
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:34:06 +0300
From: Yuval Yohai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Xanim has horiz stripes and jumps.
Hi, I use a PIII 600Mhz with RH6.2
I have installed the Xanim from the RH CD.
It shows horizontal stripes and the frames aren't in the right speed. In
general it works bad.
Where should I look for answers?
Thanks,
Yuval
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:41:48 +0300
From: Yuval Yohai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Lots of segmentation faults.
Hi, I think I have more segmentation faults then usual.
Also my Netscape hangs a lot while the computer CPU shows 99% useage
untill I kill the proccess and everything is back to normal. My computer
was even hard hanged for three times because of it and forced me to
reset.
Any suggestions?
Yuval
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:16:14 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Tad McClellan would say:
>On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:27:47 +1000, Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>> Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>>> It seems that too many people are so worked up about the XML format that
>>> they are crediting it with magical properties.
>>
>>Yeh, there seems to be a lot of hype. I guess it's the new toy syndrome.
> ^^^^^^^
>
>
>Structured markup is not new. It is (at least) 20 *years* old.
>
>I am dumbfounded that most everybody thinks that XML is
>"something new"...
>
>So it isn't really "new toy" syndrome, it is more like
>"a very old toy that I just now discovered" syndrome :-)
Some of us used SGML ten years ago; yes, indeed, it's hardly
"something new."
The point is that the _hype_ surrounding it is pretty recent.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
Strong language gets results. "The reloader is completely broken in
242" will open a lot more eyes than "The reloader doesn't load files
with intermixed spaces, asterisks, and <'s in their names that are
bigger than 64K". You can always say the latter in a later paragraph.
-- from the Symbolics Guidelines for Sending Mail
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From: David Schreiber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:30:02 GMT
In article <8o675d$bog$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you think that violating the spirit of XML would bother anyone who
wanted
> to claim that their programs use XML for their data files but still
want to
> lock the files into their programs. An ASCII based file format
standard is
> not the panacea of portability that you seem to assume that it is.
The main advantage of XML is not that it is a human readable ASCII
format. For me the main advantage of working with XML is that there is
a well defined API for working with XML, and there are lots of
implementations of that API on different platforms.
Granted if the data within the XML elements is encrypted you still have
a problem - but at least an XML parser can tell where the element
begins and ends.
The DeCSS case shows how easy it is (technically if not legally) to
break encryption used to lock up data formats.
--
http://www.caverock.net.nz/~davids
Welcome to nowhere fast. Nothing here ever lasts.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Polinsky)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Second SCSI adapter not found
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:47:55 GMT
I have a computer running Red Hat 6.2 with SCSI hard drives, CDROM and
Tape. The hard drives and cdrom are attached to an aic7xxx device and
they all work just fine. The tape is attached to an aha152x device
which is seen by the booting system at boot-up, but is not seen by
Linux. The module exists for the aha152x device. I suspect I'm missing
something simple, and I would be happy to RTFB, but there are too many
books and I can't find the right one. I would appreciate some help.
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From: "UNTOXIK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NETSCAPE ERROR!
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:03:18 -0500
I recently just installed linux for the first time and
now I seem to be having a problem using Netscape. I
am using kppp to connect. But when I open up Netscape
to browse, it give me some kind of SOCKS error saying
I am not connected to the network. ?VERY LOST? I
can't find any help on this anywhere. Any help is
appreciated.
Jason Galwin
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From: "Gerardo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can Linux be installed on my laptop? So far, the answer is no.
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:12:50 -0400
I have the same problem with a Compaq laptop. I am assuming you want to
install LINUX only - NO dual boot with another OS?. Here is something that
might work for you: When booting the computer, go to the system setup
(BIOS) and change the booting sequence to BOOT from a CD ONLY. My laptop
would not let do that, but some will let you do it. Be careful changing
things in the BIOS.
If you want a Dual OS system, your best bet is get Partition Magic and
create the Linux partitions, then launch the Linux installation from
Windows.
I can put a dual OS in my lap top with no problem, however, I can't install
Linux by itself (I don't know how), because I can only have the CD drive in
or the floppy drive in, but not both at the same time, AND my laptop won't
let me boot from a CD!
Some laptops are very difficult, I suggest that you may want to install
Linux as a second OS in the laptop using Partition Magic to make sure you
can get it to work completely (Modem, video, sound,...etc) and then you can
remove everything and install Linux by itself if that is what you want to do
at a later date.
Good Luck
Gerardo
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From: "DoDO_DeViL(R)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: modem i/o address conflict
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:10:54 GMT
>Did you do a new pnpdump > isapnp.conf or were you trying to use the
>isapnp.conf from your old modem?
>
>How many serial ports do you have and what shows up in boot messages for
>other serial ports (/var/log/messages or /var/log/dmesg)? Does
>/proc/interrupts show anything on the irq?
i did a new pnpdump, that wasn't the problem. I'm not sure what
exactly the problem was, but through a day of plodding, both in
Windows and Linux, I managed to get the modem to work in both OSes in
non-PnP mode - I originally gave up on non-PnP mode when I couldnt get
it to work in Windows. I think part of the problem in both OSes was
that I was using a non-standard IRQ for COM3 and hadn't told it that
in the right places (ie: under Win98, the port itself needed to be set
to that IRQ, not just the modem, and under Linux, I needed to insert a
setserial command in my rc.sysinit script.)
However, now I ran into a strange problem where upon bootup in Linux,
my soundcard encounters an IRQ conflict in isapnp, trying to use IRQ
10, but when I cat /proc/interrupts, it doesnt mention anything is
using IRQ 10 - it also doesnt mention the IRQ my modem is on, or my
parallel port, but i'm assuming that's because those weren;t in use at
the time. However, my soundcard has no conflicts in Win98, with the
same configuration. I figure another day of trying different
combinations of settings should get me through this weirdness.
John
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From: "Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: free isp
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:16:50 GMT
"Goofy root" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8mnl1f$v9c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> George, I use Red Hat 6.2 and also use freewwweb.com using kppp. Only
> thing I can't figure out is how to dial out kppp as non-root because
> when I click kppp as non root after prompting password and entering it
> the dialog disappears. Anyway, yesterday I login at freewwweb.com using
> pppd and the proxy server of freewwweb.com came up. I deleted all the
> chat files at /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts and back again no juno web
> page thing. But still I need to configure kppp to be able to dial out
> as non root.
>
This is a permissions problem. To access the modem, one needs root
privileges. The easy fix is to make kpp
owned by root and run as root. The more difficult fix is to make kppp owned
by a special group, run it as that owner and make everyone you want to have
access to that modem be a member of that group. You can use this
technique to restrict access to all manner of devices. It is interesting
that the author of kppp now has it running suid root.
Hoyt
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From: Christian Bannard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,aus.computers.linux,hk.comp.os.linux,linux,sdnet.linux
Subject: Re: RedHat and Windows 2000
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:31:12 +1100
Create the partition you want to put your Windows on, copy the cab files onto
it, install it from the hard disk, then boot your Linux CD (if that's where
you're installing from) and create the other half with your Linux side of it.
If you don't create the Windows partition first and install it from the hdd,
the CD bootup type install of Windows will try to claim your whole hard disk
drive.
If you have two hard disks, it's easier to install, but both operating
systems can be put on the one hard disk if you wish.
Just follow the above steps.
Regards,
Christian
BEryllium wrote:
> I am planning to install RedHat in my PC, which has installed Win2000. To
> avoid incompatibilities. What should I notice?
>
> Also, which one (RedHat or Win2000) should be installed first if I would
> like to install them in the new PC?
>
> Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Franklin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: increase microphone volume
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 27 Aug 2000 20:47:13 -0600
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:00:11 +0100, Anton Suchaneck wrote:
>Does someone know whether I can increase the volume the microphone receives?
>I have a cheap one, but I believe to have had better result with win95.
>
>Anton
That is software dependent, I think. What software are you using. I use
kvoice and kmix and they have settings for that stuff.
--
James
The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.
-- John Kenneth Galbraith
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From: "ozetechnology" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0 on a Dell Inspiron 5000
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:50:47 +1000
Redhat 6.2 can be made to work on this machine, I am writing a howto at
the moment, will be on-line in a day or so.
For X 3.3.6 works with a hacked X server.
Which screen do you have? I use 1400x1050x32bit.
David
Site: www.ozetechnology.com
+++ New Images in the gallery +++
In article <Pine.GSO.BU-L4.10.10008271246570.6843-100000@bingsun2>, Zhihui
Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am trying to install Redhat 6.0 on a Dell Inspiron 5000 portable. I
> have two problems:
>
> (1) I already have an extended partition used entirely for D drive, Can
> I create a second extended partition to install Linux into it? I have
> put FreeBSD on the same machine so there is only one partition slot
> left. Two for windows 98 and one for FreeBSD. I do not want to touch
> existing OSes.
>
> (2) I could not make the X-windows work. Please tell me what type of
> card and monitor should I choose inside Xconfigurator and other things
> to pay attention to.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> -Zhihui
>
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From: "news.concentric.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: ulimit error
Date: 28 Aug 2000 02:02:57 GMT
My redhat6.0 works fine for few months, yesterday we lost power. I boot up
the linux box and perform a e2fsck, after that everthing works fine except
when I telnet login, I get error says 'bash: ulimit: cannot modify limit:
operation not permitted', However if I login under console, I do not get
this error.
Any idea?
Jian
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From: "Geoff Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can Linux be installed on my laptop? So far, the answer is no.
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:13:00 -0400
My problem is that boot from CD does work, but in this case it brings up the
"L 01 01 01..." screen and nothing else. As far as I can tell, nothing other
than that is read from the cd. It is probably because of the way this
laptop allows the cd and floppy to share a slot.
So, everything else seems to be academic and not useful in my situation.
But thanks for trying and I hope others continue to make suggestions
(because someone might have the solution).
Geoff Fox
"Gerardo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:39a9baac$0$99040$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have the same problem with a Compaq laptop. I am assuming you want to
> install LINUX only - NO dual boot with another OS?. Here is something that
> might work for you: When booting the computer, go to the system setup
> (BIOS) and change the booting sequence to BOOT from a CD ONLY. My laptop
> would not let do that, but some will let you do it. Be careful changing
> things in the BIOS.
>
> If you want a Dual OS system, your best bet is get Partition Magic and
> create the Linux partitions, then launch the Linux installation from
> Windows.
>
> I can put a dual OS in my lap top with no problem, however, I can't
install
> Linux by itself (I don't know how), because I can only have the CD drive
in
> or the floppy drive in, but not both at the same time, AND my laptop won't
> let me boot from a CD!
>
> Some laptops are very difficult, I suggest that you may want to install
> Linux as a second OS in the laptop using Partition Magic to make sure you
> can get it to work completely (Modem, video, sound,...etc) and then you
can
> remove everything and install Linux by itself if that is what you want to
do
> at a later date.
>
> Good Luck
> Gerardo
>
>
>
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From: Karl Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uklinux.help.newbies
Subject: Re: Problems setting date
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:26:12 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Dave
Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm using RH6.2, and I have a real problem getting the date display sorted.
>
> If I set the date using
>
> date -u -s 'Sun Aug 13 17:23:00 GMT 2000' Sun Aug 13 17:23:00 UTC 2000
>
> that seems to work fine. But my date always displays in EDT, and all
> applications pick that up. I want it to display in GMT (actually GMT+1, or
> BST - British Summer Time)
>
>
I dont't use windows, so I assume the CMOS is GMT and set my zone to GB. The
GMT/BST thing just works.
karl
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From: "paul snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:28:10 GMT
Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:13:31 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >What is the deal here? I write a post or two that claims that we can
> >manage computer systems directly, on their storage, outside the
> >abstractions of the Operating Systems and their Services.
>
> You've got it exactly backwards. Raw storage is just numbered blocks
> on the disk. Filesystems are an abstraction created by the OS. There
> is no "structured storage" without the OS. Without the OS, the highest
> leve of abstraction is about at the level of instructing the SCSI
> controller to fetch block 123456 from device 0 on buss 0. Managing
> storage is one of the most important tasks of the OS, why re-create it
> inside your installation tool? What does that have to do with making
> installation and system management easier?
No, you have it backwards. Where is the OS when your computer is off? You
got no processor, you got no memory, you got no I/O... All you have is
storage (your system's eproms and its the disk).
You turn your computer on. Where does the OS come from? Magic? Or the
storage in your computer system? This isn't a chicken and the egg problem.
The OS in its initial install constructs most of the file system. But one
don't *have* to use the OS to contstruct the file system. It can be
constructed from other platforms, disk images, network downloads, etc.
In fact, given the same file system (no matter how it was constructed), you
get the same behavior once the computer is turned on.
That is because your file system is nothing more than a persistent data
structure. Nothing more. No magic.
But your file system is also the data structure that defines your OS and its
applications. All the abstractions come into existence only after your
software is loaded into memory from these data structures, and your software
begins to run.
If you can't see this, there is no point in discussing what one can do by
managing a computer system by managing its storage as structured data. You
have to let go of this magical idea that a file system doesn't exist without
the operating system that it defines.
Then we can talk about how we can better manage this data structure that is
the storage in a computer system.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Nichols)
Subject: Re: "su" in scripts
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:47:55 GMT
Note: E-mailed *and* posted.
In article <8ob5va$9oi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In :fact, if I write a little script like this:
:
:#!/bin/sh
:su - -c "`who am i`" notes
:
:you'd think I would get something like "machine!notes ..." but instead
:I get "machine!root..."
:
:What's going on? I've read the man pages, but I can't figure out how to
:make this work!
The 'su' command is no doubt working just fine. Your problem is that
"who am i" reports what user is logged in on its controlling tty, and
that is unaffected by 'su'. Try using "id" in place of "who am i" and
you should see the expected result.
~# id
uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),10(wheel)
~# su - -c 'id' rnichols
uid=101(rnichols) gid=101(rnichols) groups=101(rnichols),32(admin)
--
Bob Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PGP public key 1024/9A9C7955
Key fingerprint = 2F E5 82 F8 5D 06 A2 59 20 65 44 68 87 EC A7 D7
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From: "F.E. \"Chip\" Sharp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can Linux be installed on my laptop? So far, the answer is no.
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:37:17 -0500
I would recommend a new laptop, it seems as if you have done an effective
job of exhausting all your options, just tell the wife that you need one.
If she has any questions or concerns, I'm sure we can find someone to get
her lined out with an explaination. (Her new tennis braclet will just have
to wait until October...
-WebDegree
Geoff Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ochre$ol5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> My problem is that boot from CD does work, but in this case it brings up
the
> "L 01 01 01..." screen and nothing else. As far as I can tell, nothing
other
> than that is read from the cd. It is probably because of the way this
> laptop allows the cd and floppy to share a slot.
>
> So, everything else seems to be academic and not useful in my situation.
>
> But thanks for trying and I hope others continue to make suggestions
> (because someone might have the solution).
>
> Geoff Fox
>
>
> "Gerardo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:39a9baac$0$99040$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I have the same problem with a Compaq laptop. I am assuming you want to
> > install LINUX only - NO dual boot with another OS?. Here is something
that
> > might work for you: When booting the computer, go to the system setup
> > (BIOS) and change the booting sequence to BOOT from a CD ONLY. My
laptop
> > would not let do that, but some will let you do it. Be careful changing
> > things in the BIOS.
> >
> > If you want a Dual OS system, your best bet is get Partition Magic and
> > create the Linux partitions, then launch the Linux installation from
> > Windows.
> >
> > I can put a dual OS in my lap top with no problem, however, I can't
> install
> > Linux by itself (I don't know how), because I can only have the CD drive
> in
> > or the floppy drive in, but not both at the same time, AND my laptop
won't
> > let me boot from a CD!
> >
> > Some laptops are very difficult, I suggest that you may want to install
> > Linux as a second OS in the laptop using Partition Magic to make sure
you
> > can get it to work completely (Modem, video, sound,...etc) and then you
> can
> > remove everything and install Linux by itself if that is what you want
to
> do
> > at a later date.
> >
> > Good Luck
> > Gerardo
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:09:50 -0400
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NETSCAPE ERROR!
it is possible you need to setup your DNS servers however you may have
the problem I had where if I opened NS before I had a connection going
it would give me that error. Hitting Reload would fix it, but in your
case you may need to specify your DNS servers. You should be able to do
that in KPPP.
HTH
Brandon
UNTOXIK wrote:
>
> I recently just installed linux for the first time and
> now I seem to be having a problem using Netscape. I
> am using kppp to connect. But when I open up Netscape
> to browse, it give me some kind of SOCKS error saying
> I am not connected to the network. ?VERY LOST? I
> can't find any help on this anywhere. Any help is
> appreciated.
>
> Jason Galwin
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:12:29 -0400
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to block Ctrl+Alt+Del
I believe you can comment out the line pertaining to this combo of
keystrokes by editing your /etc/inittab file.
Comment it out and save the file.
HTH
Brandon
Vlad Nova wrote:
>
> Hi All !
> Can you help me to make unavailable to reboot with Ctrl+Alt+Del ?
> Thanx in advance, All !
> Vlad
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