Linux-Setup Digest #727, Volume #19              Sat, 30 Sep 00 00:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Best dist for 486/33? ("Philo")
  problems with installing redhat 6.2 (gc)
  RH7 and ADAPTEC 19160 SCSI (Dan Radigan)
  Cirque touchpad - can I live with the 2-button version? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  How to allow user to login from other subnet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Setting up a joystick in Suse 7.0 (Ruediger Arp)
  Re: FreeBSD vs. other distros. (Richard Steiner)
  slackware to redhat upgrade? ("Philip Ragan")
  NTFS (Neil Zanella)
  ISDN card??? ("Bugs Bunny")
  Re: help: configuring fetchmail (mpulliam)
  Re: displaying dynamic IP (Silviu Minut)
  Re: Implications: the Search for an Operating System ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: How do I get X going as well as xvidtune (Michael Iwaki)
  Boot floppy fails:  "Unable to open initial console" ("Bennett J. Price, Ph.D.")
  Re: Anybody can help me to solve a problem on Telnet!! ("Bennett J. Price, Ph.D.")
  networking desktop & laptop (for installatian) (Mandrake 7 User)
  Re: RedHat 7.0 ISOs OK? (VMaxx)
  3Com USB TA install RH7 (VMaxx)
  Re: displaying dynamic IP (David Efflandt)
  Re: Which Card Modem for laptop for Linux? (s. keeling)
  Re: Anybody can help me to solve a problem on Telnet!! ("Tony_Chang")
  Re: dual-boot Linux/Windows from mfg? (David Efflandt)

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From: "Philo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best dist for 486/33?
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:30:37 -0500

you could try pygmy linux...
it is a very small distro and could be installed via floppy...
i believe you could run a gui with it...but
probably be fairly limited.
i tried it on one of the small distros once...
there is also monkey linux (i think it's about the same)

or peanut linux which is a bit larger distro

just do a www.google.com  search and you'll easily find it.

Philo



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From: gc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: problems with installing redhat 6.2
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:38:40 -1000

I can't find documentation on this problem, and the installation notes
seem to be straightforward so I didn't think I would have a problem..

but the graphical installation method keeps giving me an error when
installing linux. I have a 16gig hd and allocated 3 gigs for Linux. I
partitioned 3 gigs using Partition Magic. Then, upon installing some of
the basic directories, I get a "boot file is too big" error message. I
tried all different sizes, even down to 1mb of space for the boot file
and it still gives me this message. Any help is appreciated.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Radigan)
Subject: RH7 and ADAPTEC 19160 SCSI
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:13:51 GMT

Got an ADAPTEC 19160 on my computer and I am trying to run the RH
install.  I stick in the CD all autoboots well, and then the machine
looks for hda, b, c, d then a, b, c, and on...  The machine never
seems to see the SCSI interface.  Any ideas on this one?

Dan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cirque touchpad - can I live with the 2-button version?
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:28:18 GMT

I was going to buy a Cirque 4-button touchpad, but it seems that the
model ("smartcat")has been discontinued. Is anybody using the Cirque
Easycat or Cruisecat under linux and if so, can you get three button
functionality?

Do the nifty scroll features work?

Thanks-
  Carter


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to allow user to login from other subnet?
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:30:55 GMT

Hi All:

My remote users are trying to login to our mail server through ISP with
different IP address. They are unable to login to the server via POP.
Telnet rejects their access also.  Where should I look for to allow
them to access to the server.

We use Debian 2.1 + sendmail 8.3
We are on 133.164.150.XXX subnet.  Those remote users are assigned
133.164.14.XXX by ISP.  I have not configured ipchain.
ipchains -L returns
Chain input (policy ACCEPT):
Chain forward (policy ACCEPT):
Chain output (policy ACCEPT):
No proxy nor firewall we use. (these are up at our ISP site.)
T.A.I.

-Hiroshi




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From: Ruediger Arp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.os.linux.suse
Subject: Setting up a joystick in Suse 7.0
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 01:04:08 GMT

Hi All,

Big problem:
I can't figure out how to set up my joystick with Suse 7.0.

I am using the following components:
-Suse7
-SBLive 1024 (emu10k1)
-Logitech Wingman Extreme Digital 3D

Insmodding the joystick driver results in this message:
modprobe joy-logitech
/lib/modules/2.2.16/misc/joy-logitech.o: init_module: Das Ger=E4t oder d=
ie=20
Ressource ist belegt
Hint: this error can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including=
=20
invalid IO or IRQ parameters
/lib/modules/2.2.16/misc/joy-logitech.o: insmod=20
/lib/modules/2.2.16/misc/joy-logitech.o failed
/lib/modules/2.2.16/misc/joy-logitech.o: insmod joy-logitech failed

Yes, I read the Readme which says:
Q: The driver doesn't find any joysticks connected to my soundcard with =

the message "joy-something: no joysticks found" and "joy-something.o:=20
init_module: Device or resource busy." or "Initialization of=20
joy-something failed"  What could be the cause?
  A: The most common cause is that the joystick port on your soundcard i=
s=20
not enabled...

My question now is:
How would I enable the joystick port on my soundcard???

It must be some option in /etc/modules.conf, but which one?

I appreciate any help,
rude



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. other distros.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:42:34 -0500

Here in comp.os.linux.setup, [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake unto us, saying:

>I was looking for a distribution of Linux to run as a test ground of
>my webserver.  I have heard of FreeDSB, and all good reports.
>
>I get the impression this is quite different from install other
>distributions of Linux, as it is specifically geared up to be a
>webserver.

FreeBSD is a BSD variant along with its cousins OpenBSD and NetBSD,
and it isn't a flavor of Linux at all.  It's another free UNIX flavor,
and it's quite capable on both the server and the desktop.

>Hence I expect I will not get the usual other features of the OS
>(graphics interface ect), but will be able to run perl scripts, PHP,
>MySQL and other webserevr type stuff.

FreeBSD will run the same XFree86 that Linux does, and it has a GUI
just as Linux does.  The oldish version of FreeBSD I use here now and
then (FreeBSD 3.3) even came with KDE.

>Given I have a 486 with 20 Mb RAM and 200 Mb harddrive, is this a
>reasonable option for me?

I think FreeBSD is a very good operating system, and it's probably
worth a look.

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      OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
       + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
                     Heralds don't pun -- they cant.

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From: "Philip Ragan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: slackware to redhat upgrade?
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 09:11:23 +0800

is it possible to upgrade a slackware installation to a redhat installation
without losing the setup and user files, etc, or do u have to reinstall from
scratch?



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From: Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NTFS
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:04:29 -0230


Hello,

I would like to know how I can mount an NTFS file system.
I have enabled readonly support for NTFS in the kernel
(version 2.2.13) but my fstab man page says nothing
about ntfs. I am dual booting Win2000 and Linux and
would like to copy some word files to my Linux partition
so that I may view them with WordPerfect and print them
to the remote printer attached to my Linux OS.

Thanks,

Neil


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From: "Bugs Bunny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ISDN card???
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:19:14 -0300
Reply-To: "Bugs Bunny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I have an ISDN card (IA 128 - Planet), but I don't have the driver.

I've been searching, but I can't find it.

Someone could help me?



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mpulliam)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: help: configuring fetchmail
Date: 30 Sep 2000 02:23:28 GMT

>On 26 Sep 2000 14:25:51 +0100, Andreas K�h�ri
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>When I try to run fetchmailconf, 
I get an error message that (from
>memory) that ...python/tk is not 
configured for python/tk...
>
>All I want is fetchmail mail to 
fetch mail from isp.domain and send
>emails to goble@... to user degoble 
and email to erc@... to user
>begoble

You don't really need fetchmailconf at all. 
Fetchmailconf needs python, but fetchmail
itself does not. You can configure fetchmail
without fetchmailconf, which is just an 
optional configuration tool.

What you want fetchmail to do is pretty
straightforward and if you go man fetchmail
you'll be able to configure it by hand.
You make a file ~./fetchmailrc and put
a couple bits of information there, and
away you go.

Here is the line you need for one user
account in fetchmail:

poll mail.myisp.com with proto POP3
user myname there with password
mypassword is myhomename here

You will need two of those lines for
your two accounts. It looks like nonsense
right now but read man fetchmail and
it'll be clear.


MP

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From: Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: displaying dynamic IP
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:57:55 -0400

Jari Kohvakka wrote:

> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Silviu Minut wrote:
> >Is there any program in RH.7.0 that allows a user to see the dynamic
> >IP address assigned by the ISP when connected through ppp?
> >Under RH.6 I used XISP to connect (my all time favourite, which doesn't
> >work under RH7 anymore, because the xforms library doesn't), which also
> >displayed the IP.  I wouldn't want to give users permission to use
> >ifconfig.
>
> When the connection is made, put the IP to some file and make a short script
> which echo's the file or just tell the users where to find it.
>

The connection is made on a per user basis. How can a user then get the IP?
It's a chicken and egg problem. If the user could get the IP, there is no need
for the script.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.software.config-mgmt
Subject: Re: Implications: the Search for an Operating System
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 03:13:00 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:12:06 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <paulsnx2@my-
deja.com>
> wrote:
> >Perhaps the biggest difference between cells and computer systems is
> >that cells don't have an operating system.
>
> What is the nucleus all about then?
>
> (The term `nucleus' is a even synonym for `kernel', by the way).

Does a *computer system* have an Operating System?  What exactly does
an operating system *do* from a technical point of view that can't be
supplied by a good C compiler and an appropriate selection of Libraries?

The term "operating system" is a nice way to refer to a package of
drivers, services, libraries, and applications.  So it is useful from a
marketing or distribution point of view, but the term doesn't refer to
a clearly defined construct or concept within a computer system.


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From: Michael Iwaki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: How do I get X going as well as xvidtune
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 03:31:29 GMT

>

Thank you for your reply.  I was finally able to invoke xvidtune and
adjust the display to cover the whole screen.   I was not able to
cut/paste the numbers that I got into XF86Config.  I am not sure exactly
where to do so. The resolution that came with my system is 1152 x 864.   I
want to change this to the standard 1024 x 768.  The frequencies that go
with that resolution from the monitor's spec are: 68.68 kHZ -horizontal,
85 Hz -vertical.  Can I set it up that way?

>
>
> But here is how to fix your display problem:  start up kde like you
> always do, don't start X by a different method.  Get a prompt, and
> type "xvidtune".  This will pop up a simple black and white gui
> thing. You can adjust the screen left/right, up/down, wider/taller,
> etc.   You have to click "apply" to get the changes to take affect.

Did that.  There is a warning msg. that pops up.  In what way can I damage
my system using xvidtune?

>
> The monitor may not support everything so it can get wierd on you,
> sometimes so bad you have to exit X and start over.  But when you have
> it perfect, click "show".  This will dump out some numbers to the
> terminal from which you started xvidtune.

I basically used Up, Down, Taller buttons, to cover the whole screen.
After clicking on "show", I get one line printed on the shell dialog box:

"1152 x 864"  65.00  1152 1156 1372 1456  864 881 891 933 interlace

The horizontal freq is 44.64 kHz,  vertical freq.  95.69 Hz

>
> Now become root, and bring up the file /etc/X11/XF86Config in emacs or
> the editor you like.  Cut and paste that line that xvidtune printed
> out, and paste it into the XF86Config file, putting it at the end of
> the long section of similar lines.  Note that you have to add the word
> "Modeline" to the beginning -- make it look like all the others.

I am not clear on this step.  I logged off from kde and reenter linux as
root, I wrote down the line with the numbers that was generated after
hitting "show".   From the root prompt (#), I typed vi /etc/X11/XF86Config
and viewed the  file.  At the last section there is a list of modeline
numbers for different resolutions ( like 4 or 5 modeline numbers for each
resolution).  I was stuck here.  The number setting I got was for the 1152
x 864 resolution; if possible, I would like to change it to 1024 x 768.

>
> Then restart X.

Excuse me for asking for more details.  I am new to linux.

Michael Iwaki


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From: "Bennett J. Price, Ph.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Boot floppy fails:  "Unable to open initial console"
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 03:37:00 GMT

RedHat 6.1  Dell Poweredge 2300

I do rpm -q kernel kernel headers, etc. and get 2.12.12-20 for
all parts of the kernel

I then create a boot floppy:
mkbootdisk --device /dev/fd0 2.2.12-20

When I choose the "rescue" option when using the floppy
all seems to proceed correctly, a RAMdisk is created
and then I get:

Warning:  Unable to open an initial console.
Kernel panic:  Not init found.  Try passing init= option to kernel.

At this point the machine is hung; keyboard does nothing.

The floppy's /etc/lilo.conf is:

boot=/dev/fd0
timeout=100
message=/boot/message
prompt
image=/vmlinuz-2.2.12-20
 label=linux
 root=/dev/sda5
 initrd=/initrd.img
image=/vmlinuz-2.2.12-20
 label=rescue
 append="load_ramdisk=2 prompt_ramdisk=1"
 root=/dev/fd0
 initrd=/initrd.img

Am I supposed to copy /bin/bash onto the floppy and add a line in the
rescue portion of lilo.conf like    init=bash  ??

Any help appreciated.  TIA


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From: "Bennett J. Price, Ph.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Anybody can help me to solve a problem on Telnet!!
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 03:38:48 GMT

Are you trying to telnet to Redhat?  (telnet redhat.com)
That doesn't work for me either; Itried with Win NT4's telnet.
I think Redhat simply doesn't accept telnet.
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From: Mandrake 7 User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: networking desktop & laptop (for installatian)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 03:28:11 GMT

How do i set things up on a desktop so that i can use it as a ftp server
or nfs server from which to install linux on a laptop (with no os
installed)?  I have the networking cards and the cable in between.  How
do i configure the networking card on the desktop (no idea what card
this is) and which daemons/services should I enable?

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:31:13 -0500
From: VMaxx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RedHat 7.0 ISOs OK?

Bad downloads.. If your using Bulletproof FTP or something perhaps?
either way My RH6.2 did the same thing.  The md5sums didn't match
either.
I guess You'll have to keep trying until they match.

Dramen Mendra wrote:
> 
> I downloaded the iso 6 times from different mirrors and haven't been able to
> get the md5sum to match.  I went ahead and burned the cd anyway but during
> the install of packages phase it died half way through and just sat there.
> So then I burned another with an image from a different site and the same
> thing happened only this time it died about a third of the way through the
> package installation?  Not sure if its just my machine locking up (though
> this has never happened on an install before) or the iso images are corrupt?
> 
> dramen
> 
> Eric Hathaway wrote:
> 
> > There's another thread going on here about problems upgrading to RedHat
> > 7.0 with CDs burned from the .iso images provided by RedHat.  I've
> > experienced this problem too.  I have been unable to get the md5
> > checksum on my downloaded image to match the values given by RedHat in
> > the accompanying MD5SUM file.  If I mount the iso image via the loopback
> > device, the directory structure appears OK, but some (not all) of the
> > text files are garbage, and NONE of the rpms are recognized as valid rpm
> > files.
> >
> > So I was wondering:  Could anyone confirm that you have in fact been
> > able to download the CD image files, burn them to a CD, and successfully
> > install/upgrade RedHat 7.0?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > -Eric Hathaway

-- 
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======
2b||!2b
http://members.xoom.com/vmaxx
http://vmaxx.n3.net

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:33:30 -0500
From: VMaxx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 3Com USB TA install RH7

I've got what I think should be loaded. The ACM module loads
I made the /dev/usb/ttyACM0 - 4 but I can't seem to get past this.
Anyone give me a hint what I should do next?
Everything else works just fine.
-- 
VMaxx
======
2b||!2b
http://members.xoom.com/vmaxx
http://vmaxx.n3.net

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: displaying dynamic IP
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 03:48:19 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 02:35:12 -0400, Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is there any program in RH.7.0 that allows a user to see the dynamic
>IP address assigned by the ISP when connected through ppp?
>Under RH.6 I used XISP to connect (my all time favourite, which doesn't
>work under RH7 anymore, because the xforms library doesn't), which also
>displayed the IP.  I wouldn't want to give users permission to use
>ifconfig.

What is wrong with giving users access to ifconfig.  It only allows them
to 'read' the config, not change it.

Unless pppd changed drastically, you could do something like this from
/etc/ppp/ip-up.local:

# dump our IP somewhere readable
echo $4 > /etc/localppp.ip

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (s. keeling)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Which Card Modem for laptop for Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 03:49:09 GMT

On Sat, 09 Sep 2000 14:06:09 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [somebody ... Gerardo]
> > I need to buy a modem for my laptop that will work with Linux for a Open
> > PCMCIA Type II or Type III slot (I think).  I have an IBM card modem that I
> > think is a winmodem.....
> >
> > Please recommend,  low $$ preferred.
> > Thanks
> > Gerardo
> 
> I think the Trendnet PCMCIA (V.90) modem fits your bill very well.

Look at Linksys.  I love their stuff.

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    [sed 's/NO@SPAM./@/g']               Contract programmer, server bum.  
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From: "Tony_Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anybody can help me to solve a problem on Telnet!!
Date: 30 Sep 2000 03:53:11 GMT

Dear Bennett,

Thanks for your response! The RedHat Linux host is the host I installed on
my site, not redhat.com.

Best Regards,

Tony Chang

Bennett J. Price, Ph.D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Are you trying to telnet to Redhat?  (telnet redhat.com)
> That doesn't work for me either; Itried with Win NT4's telnet.
> I think Redhat simply doesn't accept telnet.
> --
> Bennett J. Price, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Psychiatry Dept., Univ of California San Francisco
> UCSF-SFGH-7M8  /  1001 Potrero Avenue  / San Francisco, CA 94110
> 415 206 3801 Fax 415 206 8942
>



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: dual-boot Linux/Windows from mfg?
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 04:04:49 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Mike Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I noticed that IBM is offering an option to ship some of its laptops (e.g.,
>the T20) with Linux installed.  Unfortunately, they won't install a dual
>boot (Windows & Linux) system for you, and if you dump/repartition/restore
>the OS that IBM installs and then install the second OS yourself, it voids
>the warranty on the OS they had installed.
>
>Does anyone know if it's possible to buy a laptop with a dual install of
>Windows and Linux from some manufacturer?  I'd rather not hassle with
>installing Linux and getting all the device drivers working myself. 
>Alternatively, is there a consulting group I can pay to set up such a
>configuration for me?

Find a manufacturer that splits the drive into a couple of partitions with
the first one smaller than 8 GB.  Then you could easily install Linux
yourself.  For example 1/3 of the 9 GB drive on my Sony was a separate
empty partition for storing multimedia (DV video, etc.) so it was easy to
repartition that for Linux.  Although, I do not know what the split is for
an 18 GB drive.  Not that I recommend Sony, but you should be able to find
someone who doesn't make the drive one jumbo partition.

>Please email your response to me, as I don't read netnews regularly.
>
>Thanks
> - Mike Schwartz
>   mailto:mschwartz-at-indra.com (remember to fix the -at- spamguard if you
>send me mail)
naively thinking that spam harvesters skip news headers.

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