Linux-Setup Digest #107, Volume #20 Sat, 25 Nov 00 21:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: linux.debian.usrs newsgroup seems to be inactive... (Casey Henderson)
Re: ran out of input data ("Willie Chan")
Re: WINE, VMware, Willows TWIN, etc. vs. Dual Booting (Uwe Bonnes)
Re: linux.debian.usrs newsgroup seems to be inactive... (DTi4565459)
Re: Faster Linux on 486 ("James Stewart")
Re: Faster Linux on 486 ("James Stewart")
Re: [Q] How to get the Ethernet address ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Not worth the hassle..... (Michael V. Ferranti)
Re: RPM foolishness in 6.2 (Michael V. Ferranti)
Re: Mandrake or Red Hat? (Michael V. Ferranti)
Re: please help with kernel build!! (Michael V. Ferranti)
Re: linux.debian.usrs newsgroup seems to be inactive... (Christopher W. Aiken)
Re: Polish(ed) Linux Distribution? ("Me")
Re: DRI ("Notrel")
Re: lilo doesn't install on large disk with W2K... (Robert Kiesling)
Re: Help Screen i wrong in Red Hat 6.0 ("NoWay")
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From: Casey Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux.debian.usrs newsgroup seems to be inactive...
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:18:28 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 25 Nov 2000 21:44:24 GMT, DTi4565459
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I've gotten a minimal install of Debian
> done from floppies, but now I need some
> >help. My notes to debian users newsgroup
> never seem to get posted.
>
> This doesn't answer the question you
> asked further down your posting, but have
> you checked the Debian web site for their
> own mail server groups? They don't go
> through Usenet but have their own groups
> operated on their own servers. Maybe
> someone there can give you guidance.
>
> Good luck,
> MP
If it helps, the name of the newsgroup is linux.debian.user, and it is
indeed active.
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From: "Willie Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ran out of input data
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:45:46 GMT
how much disk space for the kernel?
because my first partition is win9x, I place the kernel right after it. I
allocated about 39MB for it...from some web site from redhat that they
suggest that 16MB is enough....
any idea...??
"cfish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> looks like the compressed kernel was somehow cut short.
> did u run outta disk space?
>
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 04:33:26 GMT, "Willie Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >I got "ran out of input data" during the first boot after
installation....
> >
> >the screen looks like this...
> >
> >Loading Linux............
> >Uncompressing linux................
> >
> >
> >ran out of input data
> >
> >
> >-- System halted
> >
> >
>
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From: Uwe Bonnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: WINE, VMware, Willows TWIN, etc. vs. Dual Booting
Date: 25 Nov 2000 23:58:13 GMT
In comp.os.linux.setup Charlie Gibbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <8urjt2$20q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: (StephenLynch) writes:
:>The latest releases of Wine have been great for me. Relatively fast
:>(obviously a program like Office that already takes 20 seconds to load,
:>takes at least 25 in an emulator - but otherwise l'm very happy with
:>it). There are only 2 programs l've tried that didn't work well: AOL
:>and Flash exe's.
: The one I've found is the command-line linker in Borland's C++ Builder
: (both versions 4.0 and 5.5). The compiler and librarian work fine, but
: the linker goes into a loop and just sits there chewing up CPU time.
: This a shame, since I'd love to be able to move my Windows program
: development onto a Microsoft-free zone like my Linux laptop. Aside
: from that, I'm very impressed with Wine. (And if anyone has gotten
: BCB working under Wine, let me know.)
Did you look at the Mingw Tools compiled for Linux. They work fine for me,
also I didn't challenge them to much.
W.r.t. the linker problem in Wine, I guess that the linker depends on pipes
and/or interprocess communication. Both are not available yet in Wine.
Perhaps look into the wine-directory ../documentation and read debugging
there to find out if pipes or Messages between different window processes
are involved. If not, report to comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine.
Bye
--
Uwe Bonnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DTi4565459)
Date: 26 Nov 2000 00:00:05 GMT
Subject: Re: linux.debian.usrs newsgroup seems to be inactive...
Thanks for both replies. "usrs" was a typo, but is there a better newsgroup
than "users". Actually, my attempts to post get bounced back as
undeliverable.
>debian.usrs newsgroup seems to be inactive...
>From: Casey Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Sat, Nov 25, 2000 18:18 EST
>Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On 25 Nov 2000 21:44:24 GMT, DTi4565459
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >I've gotten a minimal install of Debian
>> done from floppies, but now I need some
>> >help. My notes to debian users newsgroup
>> never seem to get posted.
>>
>> This doesn't answer the question you
>> asked further down your posting, but have
>> you checked the Debian web site for their
>> own mail server groups? They don't go
>> through Usenet but have their own groups
>> operated on their own servers. Maybe
>> someone there can give you guidance.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> MP
>
>If it helps, the name of the newsgroup is linux.debian.user, and it is
>indeed active.
>
>
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dave
http://www.columbia.edu/~mdt1/
(1 = one, not little L; and don't forget the trailing / )
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From: "James Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Faster Linux on 486
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:27:37 -0700
You might look at Vector linux (find it in the distribution section of
www.linuxweeklynews.com. It is only about a 60 MB download and features
IceWM for an X window manager.
JMJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> x-no-archive: yes
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:30:44 -0700, "David N. Haney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >I was wondering if there is a streamlined version
> >of Linux that runs better on the older 486s.
>
> I don't know how "streamlined" it is (even though I just installed it
> on my old 486), but there's a version of Mandrake 7.0 for the i486.
>
> http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftp.php3#486
>
> I think there's also a version of Debian for i386, but don't have a
> URL for it.
>
>
> JMJ
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "James Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Faster Linux on 486
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:38:47 -0700
Usually the thing about old '486's is not the processor, but that they
usually don't have a lot of memory in them either, like 32 mb or less. At
least this is true in my case. Anyway, to save memory, I usually end up
recompiling the kernal, stripping out anything I don't need, then don't run
any daemons you don't need, like extra getty's or web servers. Finally if
you are running an X server environment, try to avoid the memory hungery
ones like GNOME and KDE. Try IceWM, WindowMaker, or even the ancient FVWM.
Also, if you are running a lot of ISA bus stuff like video and hard drive
controllers, try turning down the ISA bus clock divider in the BIOS. I
often can get that old 8 mhz bus to run at 16-20 mhz reliably and it really
speeds up i/o and video.
JMJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> x-no-archive: yes
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:30:44 -0700, "David N. Haney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >I was wondering if there is a streamlined version
> >of Linux that runs better on the older 486s.
>
> I don't know how "streamlined" it is (even though I just installed it
> on my old 486), but there's a version of Mandrake 7.0 for the i486.
>
> http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftp.php3#486
>
> I think there's also a version of Debian for i386, but don't have a
> URL for it.
>
>
> JMJ
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: [Q] How to get the Ethernet address ?
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 00:52:10 -0000
In comp.os.linux.development.system Pillonel C?dric, NWS-PD-71
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| How can I get the Ethernet address from my C++ application ?
"The" ethernet address? What if the machine has 2 or more
ethernet interfaces, or has 2 or more addresses per ethernet,
or has interfaces that are not ethernet, or combinations of
these?
Or maybe you want the address associated with the name the
machine is called? And what if there are multiple of those?
What if the machine has many alias hostnames? You want those,
too?
Do you want ethernet MAC addresses, or IP addresses? Do you
want IPv4 addresses or IPv6 addresses?
Will your program become corrupt if a syscall returns an array
of over 20000 addresses (yes, I've had that many on one machine)?
I hope you're still in the specification design phase of your
application.
--
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From: Michael V. Ferranti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Not worth the hassle.....
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 01:10:20 +0000
And Jason Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>Someday Microsoft will fall from it's perch and when the ensuing
>digital dark ages have passed, open source platforms will inevitably
>become the best platforms for stability, useability, productivity, etc.
>I firmly believe this.
Not me. I see RedHat already taking steps to differentiate itself from
the rest of the Linux community, changing the kernel, doing things "their
way," and making the distro dependant on their RedHat Package Manager. For
the most part, I think Linux will remain open source, but the more user-
friendly, commercial variants will become copyrighted to the gills. As an
example, RedHat is already charging WinNT fees for their high-end warez.
>I hear ya. Personally I would *rather* my system periodically crash for
>no justifiable reason but have virtually unlimited software available
I would rather have complete and total command over a second-class OS,
than no control at all over a do-it-for-you OS like Windows. I've seen the
NSA backdoors hidden in NT's Internet Explorer and the behind-the-scenes
communications by RealPlayer. There's no reason for Linux to be a crash-
prone system as long as we retain the option to fix it ourselves.
>Almost every single app I've tried thus far in Linux which is *not* a
>network service or a system maintenance tool in some way or another
>has been buggy and/or has an unusable interface.
The only junk that has ever crashed on me have been the X apps, all of
which are mostly garbage anyway, written for one window manager or another,
and not X itself. Wanting an X app to only be compatible with Gnome or KDE
is pretty assinine when the real bottom line is, and should always be X.
I'm not even a respectable programmer and I can see that.
-- Michael V. Ferranti [blades&inreach*com]
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From: Michael V. Ferranti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM foolishness in 6.2
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 01:10:21 +0000
And jpd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>Anybody help?
After you get used to RedHat, or Linux in particular, dump RedHat and
their fascist package manager for a less-commercialized distro like Debian
or Slackware, and break the chains of bondage to Commercialized Linux.
-- Michael V. Ferranti [blades&inreach*com]
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From: Michael V. Ferranti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake or Red Hat?
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 01:10:22 +0000
And "Barry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>I am a total novice as far as Linux goes. My background is DOS and Windows
>(3.0 - 98).
Get a Unix User's Manual/Tutorial, like "Exploring the Unix System" by
Kochan and Wood. DOS or Windows has NOT prepared you for Linux. <grins>
>My question is: Which release of Linux will be best for my purposes? I had
>originally intended to install Red Hat Linux 7.0, but reading some of the
>problems I hesitate.
RH7.0 only has the wrong compiler installed...easy fix. Every distro
has problems of some kind, especially with a total novice at the console.
>Mandrake-Linux has caught my attention. What, if any, advantages or
>drawbacks are there?
Out of the box, it's guaranteed not to run on a 386. RedHat is still
trying to support the prehistoric things in their kernels, probably so
their kernels will be more widely compatible and run on anything. Mandrake
doen't bother and sticks with just the Pentiums. They're basically the
same, but Mandrake is more like a "repaired" version of RedHat...sorta.
Don't forget the Unix manual. DOS compared to Linux is like a toy red
wagon compared to a Ferrari, but at least X will really suck in comparison
to Windows. <grins>
-- Michael V. Ferranti [blades&inreach*com]
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From: Michael V. Ferranti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: please help with kernel build!!
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 01:10:24 +0000
And Adam Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>Any advice or knowledge would be greatly appreciated!!!
Check-in at the RedHat website. I understand you have to install kgcc
and go into the makefile somewhere and change the value of CC from "gcc" to
"kgcc". For compiling RH6.2, I had to:
1) Edit the Makefile and change the value of EXTRAVERSION.
# The above generates a completely separate kernel and modules, leaving
# your old, safe kernel as-is.
2) make mrproper
3) make menuconfig (or however you prefer to setup the kernel)
# Here I changed nothing, just to see if the kernel would even compile
# at all. I still got plenty of warnings when I compiled, and a
# dependency error when I ran the kernel.
4) make dep
5) make clean
6) make bzImage
7) Move/rename the new bzImage to the /boot directory with the others.
# The new bzImage is: /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage
8) make modules
9) make modules_install
# (Creates a new set of modules under /lib/modules/)
10) Edit /etc/lilo.conf and add in the new bzImage information.
11) Run /sbin/lilo to compile the new config.
12) Cross my fingers and reboot.
G'luck...
-- Michael V. Ferranti [blades&inreach*com]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher W. Aiken)
Subject: Re: linux.debian.usrs newsgroup seems to be inactive...
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 01:15:43 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 25 Nov 2000 21:44:24 GMT, DTi4565459 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
->I've gotten a minimal install of Debian done from floppies, but now I need some
->help. My notes to debian users newsgroup never seem to get posted. So I'm
->trying here. Debian boot finds module to drive PCMCIA external CDROM, and I
->can mount the CDROM that came with the O'Reilly book.
->
->But when I start dselect and try to select all packages, I get error messages:
->
-> flex recommends gcc
-> gcc doesn't seem to be available
->
->I've been rebooting and trying again and again, but it seems I am stuck..HELP
->
->TIA,
->
->dave
Go to: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe
and sign up for the email group. Much better than
the "defunct" news group.
--
--
Christopher W. Aiken, Scenery Hill, Pa, USA
chris at cwaiken dot com, www.cwaiken.com
Current O/S: SuSE 7.0 Professional Linux
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From: "Me" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Polish(ed) Linux Distribution?
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:40:48 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> There are a slew of RPMS on rpmfind.net called the Polish(ed) linux
> distribution. There are both intel and sparc binaries. Can anyone tell
> me anything about their quality and who the originators are? I'm
> pariculary interested in the sparc disribution --- anyone know which sun
> archetecture(s) are supported? Thanks.
> -
> Dick Freedman
http://www.pld.org.pl/eng/
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From: "Notrel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DRI
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:50:34 -0600
In article <8vk492$t88$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Vigil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Would you recommend I install from this DRI-CVS in order to boost Unreal
> Tournament FPS?
>
> TIA, etc.
the X cvs should have dri, but it would most likely be quite a bit behind
the dri project's cvs. You could try to take a look at mailing lists or
the cvs code itself to see when the last time was that the dri code was
merged into XFree's cvs.
If you're using a card that uses dri (you didn't mention which card you
are using), then I think the dri cvs would be a better choice. Whether or
not it will improve your fps with ut is pretty hard to guess.
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: lilo doesn't install on large disk with W2K...
From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 01:42:43 GMT
"James Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "The infamous \"Brian\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Installed Slackware Current on 30 gig Maxtor /dev/hda4 (last 5 gig) and
> > > can't lilo to install.
> > >
> > > Anybody have any idea what the problem is?
> > >
> > > Is lilo just broke and can't get up?
> > >
> > > Is it time for a new bootloader?
> >
> > Nope, sorry. LILO needs the boot or root filesystem partition
> > (depending) in the first 1k cylinders. This is a hardware (BIOS)
> > limitation. If it's a recent BIOS has extended boot partition support
> > (the name of which escapes me right now), the newer LILO versions
> > allow the root or boot file system's partition anywhere on the disk.
> >
>
> Yea, but only if you have the "right" kind of BIOS. It is explained in the
> newer LILO's Documentation. Otherwise you'll have to do the separate boot
> partition withing the first 1k cylinders. You may also have to use the
> "linear" mode switch in your lilo.conf because who knows what your BIOS is
> reporting to lilo since a 30 gig drive far exceeds the 8 gig size limit that
> the old cyl/hd/sec type addressing has.
And the right kind of drive, I assume, to map the disk space into
something that a standard device driver can cope with.
I would have to RTFM to answer specifically. It's never been
an issue here. All of my systems use pre-resizable partitions.
--
Robert Kiesling
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From: "NoWay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help Screen i wrong in Red Hat 6.0
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 02:54:41 +0100
"Eric en Jolanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > Ok. How do I access Xconfigurator? I can't find it in any menu but then
> > again I Can't see all of it since the letters on my screen are the size
of
> > the keys to my car...
> > Hope someone can help me. I think the problem might be that the
installer
> > finds my Matrox card by probing but when I set up the Screen it says
that
> it
> > had problems finding the RAM on the card.
>
> Okay, do you have a vitual screen size set ?
>
> Try the key-combo <ctrl><alt><keypad +>
>
> It may cycle you through alternate resolutions
>
> Eric
>
>
Thanks for all the help. You have really made an effort that I appreciate. I
haven't made it work so I installed it at another machine which is less
powerfull but it works just fine there.
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