Linux-Setup Digest #688, Volume #20 Thu, 22 Feb 01 21:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: How-to- Linux on Unix?? (Mark Bratcher)
Re: can't get redhat linux to recognize network (Alex Yung)
Re: How-to- Linux on Unix?? (Someone Special)
Re: How-to- Linux on Unix?? ("Patrick Fisher")
Re: How-to- Linux on Unix?? (Marcelo Rodrigues)
error building Kernel ("Bill James")
Re: su, pam, Red Hat 7.0: I made a boo-boo ("Cameron Kerr")
Re: View booting messages after login... ("Cameron Kerr")
Re: Identical logons... ("Cameron Kerr")
Re: LILO problem (Mark Bratcher)
Storm Linux Installation Problem ("Tri C. Ngo")
Re: Pan newsreader has a bad bug... ("Cameron Kerr")
Re: Linux Networking (Mark Bratcher)
How to get LILO to see NT drive (Andreas Walli)
Re: LILO problem ("Patrick Fisher")
Re: How to remove items from GNOME menus? (Mark Bratcher)
Re: A question a day#1 (Mark Bratcher)
Re: How-to- Linux on Unix?? (Mark Bratcher)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: How-to- Linux on Unix??
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:20:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Windgassen wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Mun Sing wrote:
>
>Unix and linux are operating systems that run on a hardware platform, i.e.
>NOT on another operating system.
>
>For example:
>- Linux can run on Intel machines (x86)
>- Windows can run on intel machines too
And Windows can run on Linux. (eg, Lin4win) :-)
And Windows 3.11 can run on OS/2.
--
Mark Bratcher
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Yung)
Subject: Re: can't get redhat linux to recognize network
Date: 23 Feb 2001 00:22:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
eric gregory (eric"youknowwhatyoucandowithyourspam"@clarksville.com) wrote:
: here's and exact transcription of what comes up on the screen when I execute
: route -n >
: Kernel IP routing table
: Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric
: Ref Use Iface
: 205.152.95.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0
: 0 0 eth0
: 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0
: 0 0 lo
If you don't have a default gateway, your box can only communicate
with other devices which are in the same hub and same network
(205.152.95.0). Did you try to connect your Linux box directly to the
other machine using a crossed cable? That can rule out any problem
from your hub.
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From: Someone Special <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: How-to- Linux on Unix??
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:43:00 GMT
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:20:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark
Bratcher) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Windgassen wrote:
>>On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Mun Sing wrote:
>>
>>Unix and linux are operating systems that run on a hardware platform, i.e.
>>NOT on another operating system.
>>
>>For example:
>>- Linux can run on Intel machines (x86)
>>- Windows can run on intel machines too
>
>And Windows can run on Linux. (eg, Lin4win) :-)
>And Windows 3.11 can run on OS/2.
Nope, Windows can't run on Linux, there are programs and
libraries that emulate the Win32/Win16 API's so that you can run
Windows software in Linux, but you can't run Windows itself. Keep in
mind, that even if you were to run explorer.exe and get the /real/
Windows interface, desktop and all, that you're still not running
Windows.
Same thing with OS/2, it supported Win16 software and even
some Win16 device drivers, but it couldn't actually run Windows in one
of it's Windows.
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From: "Patrick Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: How-to- Linux on Unix??
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:10:45 -0500
"Someone Special" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Nope, Windows can't run on Linux, there are programs and
> libraries that emulate the Win32/Win16 API's so that you can run
> Windows software in Linux, but you can't run Windows itself.
http://www.vmware.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED](Marcelo Rodrigues)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: How-to- Linux on Unix??
Date: 23 Feb 2001 01:11:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED](Marcelo Rodrigues)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Someone Special wrote
> Nope, Windows can't run on Linux, there are programs and
> libraries that emulate the Win32/Win16 API's so that you can run
> Windows software in Linux, but you can't run Windows itself. Keep in
> mind, that even if you were to run explorer.exe and get the /real/
> Windows interface, desktop and all, that you're still not running
> Windows.
> Same thing with OS/2, it supported Win16 software and even
> some Win16 device drivers, but it couldn't actually run Windows in one
> of it's Windows.
>
I think you are misleading on the last paragraph if interpreted broadly.
With OS/2 you could indeed run Windows ( the version current at the time )
on one of the OS/2 windows. You could choose to have the desktop appear on
that window or to have each Windows app put up its own OS/2 window. It is
true
however that insofar as you were running Windows under the OS/2 environment
you were not in fact running Windows. There were, at the time of
introduction,
only a handful of apps designed for Windows that could not be made to
function
properly on OS/2 with Windows.
--
"NeXTMail" OK at this address only.
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From: "Bill James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: error building Kernel
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:15:12 GMT
Hi, after typing 'make boot' to create a new kernel in Redhat Linux 6.21,
and waiting about 20 minutes
the process finishes but the last 7 lines are:
Root device is (3,7)
Boot sector 512 bytes
Setup is 3532 bytes
System is 598 bytes
System is too big. Try using bzImage or modules
make[1]: *** [z.Image] Error 1
make[1]: leaving directory '/usr/src/linux-2.2.12/arch/i386/boot'
make: *** [boot] Error2
The actual zImage file (supposed to be kernel in compressed form) which is
created is only
about 4k bytes, and when I try to run the new kernel with LILO I get the
error
"No Setup Signature found"
Can anyone give me a hint as to what the problem might be?
Thanks,
Bill
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From: "Cameron Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: su, pam, Red Hat 7.0: I made a boo-boo
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:19:54 +1300
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "ChozSun"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I screwed up royally. Details, details.
>
> I was trying to secure the su command and let only certain users execute
> it. Keep in mind that I totally forgot about pam.
Why don't you just use sudo?
-- Cameron Kerr
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From: "Cameron Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: View booting messages after login...
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:21:27 +1300
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Michael Heiming"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> julius wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I know there is a key combination to scrool up the content of the
>> screen, after login, to look at the sequence of messages of the booting
>> process. But my "RAM" is not "ECC", so I need a refresh. So, if you
>> please...
>
> Shift+Pageup(Bild - is written on my german layout keyboard...:-))
>
> Michael Heiming
What you probably really want is the dmesg command, and the contents of
/var/log/messages
HIH -- Cameron Kerr
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From: "Cameron Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Identical logons...
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:29:34 +1300
In article <D4fl6.106634$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I currently have a three-box network. One box Win98, another box
> running Redhat 5.2, and a third which will either be running RH6.2 or
> NetBSD.
>
> I have plans currently to use NIS or NIS+ to coordinate logons and home
> directories between the LInux and BSD boxes. However, I got to thinking
> about tying the Windows box in as well.
Don't use NIS+ if you can use NIS (read the howto)
> I have a pretty good idea of how to get the home directories in, but I'm
> unsure as to the logons themselves. I haven't been able to find any
> documentation as to whether Win98 works with NIS, or what.
NIS-HOWTO
> Does anyone have any ideas? Is NIS the wrong tack altogether? Or will
> I have to run a separate daemon for the Win98 logins?
NIS is fine for Unix like OS's, but I don't think Windows will use it.
Use samba for this task? Although I don't think samba can yet act as a NT
password server.
HIH -- Cameron Kerr
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Subject: Re: LILO problem
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:32:00 GMT
In article <9743ta$dg3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Patrick Fisher wrote:
>
>"Alim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:971bbt$slb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Now the only way I can get to boot windows is to change the boot device in
>> the bios, which is not much good. Does anyone know how I can get either
>the
>> win2k bootloader to load LILO, or preferably LILO to boot the win2k
>> bootloader?
>>
>
><snip>
>
>I don't know the answer, but i'm interested in it. I'm trying to do the same
>thing, but I'd prefer to have the Win2k bootloader load LILO. All the info
>I've found concerns a single hard drive as well. I tried loading LILO into
>hdg1 (the /boot partition), copying the bootsector, and putting an entry in
>the boot.ini file, which didn't work. I also tried bootpart <a program which
>reads bootsectors and adds boot.ini entries automatically>, which also
>didn't work. When I choose to boot linux from the Win2k bootloader, I just
>get LI printed on the screen.
>
>Any help appreciated.
>
Have you checked the mini HOWTO on this topic?
Also, LILO comes with some documentation in /usr/doc/lilo*.
--
Mark Bratcher
To reply direct, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
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From: "Tri C. Ngo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Storm Linux Installation Problem
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:35:39 -0800
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Hi there,
All right. I bought a cd of Storm Linux 2000 for five dollars. I =
have a 5-years old computer, Compaq that contains 90 MHz, good cd-rom, =
and 696MB hard drive. I assume the hard drive has enough spaces for =
Linux. I shut down the computer and turn it on. I didn't want to start =
the Windows. I selected "command prompt only," and in the Msdos, I type =
"format c:/". After that, I restarted and inserted a floppy disk with =
boot disk and cd driver. I placed the cd of Storm Linux onto the cd =
tray. I typed the command to make the boot-disk for Linux. Done, =
restarted the computer and it started Linux. However, during middle of =
the installation, it frozen forever, and I tried to make the =
installation going. It failed to complete the installation. I noticed =
that the cdrom was not doing anything. It seemed to be dead. However, =
it works before the middle of the installation. Anyhow, I restarted the =
computer, and reinstalled the Linux over again. Again, the installation =
frozen. Then, I repeated the process. It's dead. Therefore, I believe =
that the hard drive doesn't have enough spaces for Linux. Correct me if =
I am wrong. Do you have any idea? Thanks for any helps.
-tcn
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From: "Cameron Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pan newsreader has a bad bug...
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:34:35 +1300
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Speaker-To-Animals" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Pan newsreader seems to have a bad bug. If I select an article in
> the newsgroups list to save and then navigate to Folder Tools and "Move
> Article", Pan just complains that I have to select a target folder in
> the Groups list...
What version of Pan are you using? Latest is 0.9.2
BTW. This is not the place for this discussion. The developer
forums/mailing lists would be a much more suitable place.
-- Cameron Kerr
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Subject: Re: Linux Networking
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:35:57 GMT
In article <ERcl6.60$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>I've heard quite a bit about Linux and am very interested in learning more
>about it, possibly for use here in my office. Currently, I'm running a
>Windows NT network with Windows98 clients. I'm fed up with NT and its
>"little idiosyncrasies." What I'd like to know, is if it's possible to run
>a network using Linux as the OS for the file server and still keep the
>Windows98 clients. If it is possible I need to know how. A pointer to a
>good online resource or book would be immensely helpful, unless any
>respondents really want to type out detailed instructions and post it here.
>
>Thanks so much for your help!
I did just that at work: replaced our NT server with Linux and Samba and
have not looked back (nor have I felt compelled to).
If you're serious about it, you should get a book such as "Using Samba"
published by O'Reilly. You can download it for free in PDF format from
their web site www.oreilly.com. It's a good book to explain most of what you
need. The rest you can pick up here and there after you get started. :-)
--
Mark Bratcher
To reply direct, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
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From: Andreas Walli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to get LILO to see NT drive
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:31:37 -0800
I am currently trying to setup Linux on a second sd; in the partioning
phase Linux is able to see my NT sda but once I get to the LILO config it
does not give me the NT image as a boot option !NT runs still on the
master sd-could that be the reason ? or did I screw something up in
the Partioning phase (I assigned the Linux box as a root drive and NT as \NT)
Andreas
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From: "Patrick Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO problem
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:40:50 -0500
"Mark Bratcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Have you checked the mini HOWTO on this topic?
The NT OS Loader + LILO Howto? Yes. However, it only addresses installing
linux on another partition of the same disk as WinNT, which I suspect is
where my problem arises - I'm using a dedicated hard drive for each.
Additionally, since both hard drives are on an offboard Promise Ultra100
controller, none of the howtos which do deal with multiple hard drives are
very helpful, because they assume you're using /dev/hda and /dev/hdc on an
onboard controller, and don't describe the processes they use (such as the
map-drive= command, which may be what I need to use LILO to load the Win2k
Bootloader, though I'd prefer the opposite.)
> Also, LILO comes with some documentation in /usr/doc/lilo*.
So it does. I'm reading through it now.
Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Subject: Re: How to remove items from GNOME menus?
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:41:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Speaker-To-Animals
wrote:
>All,
>
>I tried using the Settings -> Menu Editor program to edit my menus but
>I've run into two annoying problems:
>
>1) I can't add any top-level menus. Only submenus beneath the menus
>already provided. That means that there will always be exactly three
>top-level menus... Programs, Applets and Favorites. I can't seem to add
>any new top-level menus.
>
>2) Using the Menu Editor again I want to remove a lot of the annoying
>text-based applications that are in these top-level menus like TRN and
>STRN etc. Guess what? The Menu Editor doesn't display any of these, I
>guess because it doesn't understand non-Gnome applications.
>
>So how do I add top-level menus and how do I delete those text-based and
>apparently non-Gnome applications from the menus?
>
>Gnome is seriously frustrating much of the time.
>
If you want to fool with the default, base menus you need to look at
the directory /usr/share/gnome/apps. The menu is built from that directory
structure.
--
Mark Bratcher
To reply direct, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
===============================================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Subject: Re: A question a day#1
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:46:13 GMT
In article <csfl6.2041$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, res072bx wrote:
>I'm running a dual boot machine (Windows 98SE/ME on one side & SuSE Linux
>7.0 on the other). Windows works as can be expected, but Linux is giving me
>fits.
>It was working to some extent; but a hard shutdown corrupted a few files,
>and I had to reformat the Linux partition, then reinstall Linux. Now, when I
>type in "startx" at the @prompt, I get an error message:
>
>"There is no link between /var/x11r6/bin/x to /usr/x11r6/bin/xf86_xxxx which
>is the binary of the instaled x server. Am aborting now."
>
[snip]
Have you looked at
ls -l /var/X11R6/bin/X?
X looks for a symbolic link from X to the actual X display driver file.
Try running Xconfigurator again.
--
Mark Bratcher
To reply direct, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
===============================================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: How-to- Linux on Unix??
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:48:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Someone Special wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:20:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark
>Bratcher) wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Windgassen wrote:
>>>On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Mun Sing wrote:
>>>
>>>Unix and linux are operating systems that run on a hardware platform, i.e.
>>>NOT on another operating system.
>>>
>>>For example:
>>>- Linux can run on Intel machines (x86)
>>>- Windows can run on intel machines too
>>
>>And Windows can run on Linux. (eg, Lin4win) :-)
>>And Windows 3.11 can run on OS/2.
>
>
> Nope, Windows can't run on Linux, there are programs and
>libraries that emulate the Win32/Win16 API's so that you can run
>Windows software in Linux, but you can't run Windows itself. Keep in
>mind, that even if you were to run explorer.exe and get the /real/
>Windows interface, desktop and all, that you're still not running
>Windows.
Well, that's what I meant. Windows of course does not run directly on it,
but you can get a library to do it for you. It's all just software.
> Same thing with OS/2, it supported Win16 software and even
>some Win16 device drivers, but it couldn't actually run Windows in one
>of it's Windows.
Ditto my above comment.
--
Mark Bratcher
To reply direct, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
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