Linux-Setup Digest #771, Volume #20 Tue, 6 Mar 01 20:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Ack! Newbie linux sound troubles (Alex Weiss)
Re: Missing bzImage (Steve Martin)
Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working (Steve Martin)
Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working (HateLinux)
Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working (HateLinux)
Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working (HateLinux)
Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working (HateLinux)
Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working (Steve Martin)
Re: Mail Advice (H.Bruijn)
Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working (Michael Heiming)
Re: Newbie Question: Adding HW ("Roy B")
Re: DNS questions... (Steve Martin)
Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working (HateLinux)
Re: CD Not recognised by kernel (Steve Martin)
Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working (H.Bruijn)
Re: Something to chew on.. ("Markus G")
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From: Alex Weiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Ack! Newbie linux sound troubles
Date: 7 Mar 2001 00:04:13 GMT
In comp.os.linux.hardware Angry Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What would you like to read? [comp.os.linux.setup or *?]
> This is a Alex Weiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scroll! it says:
> > 1. Run sndconfig as root and in console mode. While the installation, once
> > again, went without problems, this did not solve my problem.
> su to root and type:
> esd &
> --
> AngryBob Systems Consultant - http://www.trellisinc.com
> The secret to not getting burned out is to play at working hard,
> and not taking things too seriously.
> -- Linus Torvalds
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From: Steve Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Missing bzImage
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:20:36 -0500
Jan Hackel wrote:
>
> > make dep
> > make bzImage
> > make modules
> > make modules_install
> > make clean
> >
> > cp /boot/vmlinuz /boot/vmlinuz.old
> > locate bzImage
>
> I am not quite sure, but perhaps "make clean" removes the compiled images
> too. Leave that step out, and look in the place Eric mentioned.
"make clean" does remove stale files (including, probably,
the existing bzImage file).
"make clean" is intended to remove stale object files before
compiling the kernel. Put the "make clean" step immediately
after "make dep".
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From: Steve Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:24:53 -0500
HateLinux wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, although most were of the type: read man
> pages. I am trying to avoid that to the maximum, and evaluate the
> viability of linux as a desktop OS. 90% of common users certainly
> would NOT read the man pages.
Therein lies the fallacy. With a system such as Windows 95/98,
yes, one can get on the system, perhaps figure out with a little
luck that double-clicking will start an application or open
a folder, and that's about it. With Linux, it's essential that
one do some reading, either man pages or a third-party book.
In fact, most problems I see on a daily basis in supporting
thirty-some-odd WinXX machines could be solved if the user
had some basic Windows knowledge, such as might be obtained
from some well-placed RTFM time. Reading documentation is
essential no matter which OS you're using.
BTW, ever try configuring and using Windows NT without some
documentation? Good luck!
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From: I_like_2B@home (HateLinux)
Subject: Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 23:12:56 GMT
On 6 Mar 2001 05:35:14 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H.Bruijn)
wrote:
>On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 03:16:29 GMT, HateLinux allegedly wrote:
>>On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 21:42:19 GMT, I_like_2B@home (HateLinux) wrote:
.....CUT.......
>Otherwise use windows, where you relinquish a lot of control over the
>system for a certain increase in ease-of-use. For me the trade-off is
>in favour of linux, but if you don't want to learn more to get things
>done, the balance may tilt in the direction of windows. No harm done. In
>the end a computer is a tool, and as long as it gets the job done, who
>cares how you get it done.
Well written , and thought out, and true. You have to admit ,
though , that man - writers do have a streak of sadism in them....
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From: I_like_2B@home (HateLinux)
Subject: Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 23:12:57 GMT
On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:11:07 GMT, "Scot Mc Pherson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The original versions of both UNIX and MS-DOS/Windows did not automatically
>detect all hardware and were often a pain in the arse to get working
>right...
I remember
>
>They are both still here aren't they?
One has evolved more than the other.
>
>Anyway, how do you know things like your harddrive and sound and such are
>working if your video card is not working?
Oh dear... a keyboard die_hard. OK, my video works, under
command prompt. So I can check my drives, setup my sound , etc etc But
I cant get KDE or GNOME to start up to 800x600, which is necessary for
most graphic programs.
>
>Why did you buy a "gaming" video card specifically for a unix-based system?
>I mean its not that they won't work, just a bit overkill I think...Try
>buying a cheap $20 card with an S3 or Trident chipset and you'll not have
>anymore problems, plus you can use your voodoo card for your Nintentdo on
>Steroids, uh I mean Windows.
I had a 2Mb Trident 9440 /Syncmaster 3 a year ago. People told
me : go buy yourself a decent board / monitor before you come back and
ask questions here. I have the message somewhere.
And I dual-boot to my Super-Nintendo. Try playing diablo 2 on
a trident 2Mb....
>
>I can't help you with your modem, I haven't used a modem is so damn long
>that I forget how they are set up. But isn't a Winmodem designed to be used
>nearly exclusively by windows?
Yes. Mine is not a winmodem. RTFL
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From: I_like_2B@home (HateLinux)
Subject: Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 23:12:54 GMT
On 6 Mar 2001 07:34:57 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) wrote:
>]On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 21:42:19 GMT, I_like_2B@home (HateLinux) wrote:
>
>]Thanks for the suggestions, although most were of the type: read man
>]pages. I am trying to avoid that to the maximum, and evaluate the
>]viability of linux as a desktop OS. 90% of common users certainly
>]would NOT read the man pages.
>
>Is this like "I am trying to see how my computer works if I do not plug
>it in since most users would now plug theirs in?" How about you figuring
>out how it works first and then worrying about your users. Most users
>using Windows get it already installed will all of the drivers installed
>and working. If users had to install Windows themselves, most would get
We are both wrong there. I, for thinking that most windows users build
their PCs and install the software they need, and you, for thinking
that most linux users are administrators. No, most linux users are
probably home users, either hackers or just curious, who probably
have a dual-boot system and run win/linux. Probably more win. My
misconception was because I come from a very poor country where
almost everyone I know builds their PCs, and install usually pirate
software. And you, because you probably work administering some
system, all your contacts are unix/linux/network orientated. If you
want linux to become popular, to have a great number of developers, to
eventually be used as a viable home alternative to billgates little
brew, you just have to make it easier to use. I have a fairly high IQ
(150), am post graduated in a fairly difficult area, but I gave up on
the "man resolve", because it just makes no sense at all. Either I am
a victim of some precocious dementia, or man writers are all crazy.
Well, enough trolling...
>nowhere.
>
>Also Most ISPs set themselves up specially to make sure Windows works,
>going sofar as to give away software for the users to use to set up
>thier systems. They do not for Linux.
>
>
>
>]>does NOT work
>]>video card (voodoo3dfx w/16Mb mem)
>
>]>What brand and model? I am sure there must be something that supports it,
>]>because my Monster 3D (voodoo1 8 MB) add on card has worked for
>]>years. Although, my regular video is ancient S3 Trio64.
>
>] 3DFX Voodoo 3000 PCI with 16Mb/Samsung Syncmaster 3.
>]I realized I would have to redo my XF86Config, but nothing I try under
>]xf86config, Xconfigurator, or xcfg(cant remember exact name) works. It
>]always says "no valid screen modes" or something along these lines.The
>]values for video card and monitor come from the programs database,
>]except for in xf86config, where I have to enter it manually.
>
>Uh, this means that you have entered values for hor and vert sync which
>are not valid.
Yes, but I got the values from the setup programs. My video
card and monitor are both listed, and monitor values check out with
the manual ones. I eventually got xwindows to work in VGA, but I cant
use it very well, as all the buttons of most programs are off-screen.
There is just no way to get it working with 800x600 . It should not be
necessary to spend 6 hours reading stuff, and trying things out, and
still only get a VGA screen...
....CUT......
>]--> Starting pppd at Mon Mar 5 22:30:54 2001
>]Caught signal #2! Attempting to exit gracefully...
>]--> Disconnecting at Mon Mar 5 22:36:46 2001
I CTRL-C'd it , it would have gone on for ever.
>
>What is the problem? You were connected for 6 min. What were you trying
>during that time?
Since I run few programs , I alt-F2 to a new screen instead of
shoving wvdial into the background. I then run lynx or my mail
programs from there. I AM an amateur, after all...
>]cat /etc/resolv.conf
>
>]domain mine.com (false name)
>]nameserver 200.192.55.100 (this is my real DNS server according
>]to my provider)
>
>Why do you give us a false address? It is hard to help when we are given
>false information.
OK , its Brazil. English is not my native tongue, but I
probably speak it better than some flamers here :)
ig.com.br
>
> The address is some group in Brazil the DNS addresses I get are
>143.108.23.2 200.255.253.234 200.19.119.99
Mar 6 13:59:17 localhost pppd[1587]: pppd 2.3.11 started by root, uid
0
Mar 6 13:59:17 localhost pppd[1587]: Using interface ppp3
Mar 6 13:59:17 localhost pppd[1587]: Connect: ppp3 <--> /dev/ttyS3
Mar 6 13:59:18 localhost pppd[1587]: Peer is not authorized to use
remote address 200.225.159.112
Mar 6 13:59:18 localhost pppd[1587]: Connection terminated.
Mar 6 13:59:18 localhost pppd[1587]: Connect time 0.1 minutes.
Mar 6 13:59:18 localhost pppd[1587]: Sent 222 bytes, received 266
bytes.
Mar 6 13:59:18 localhost pppd[1587]: Exit.
I got this after I put your dns numbers in my resolve.conf
If it helps, if I take your numbers out, I can ping any internet
address. I ping 143.108.23.2 , and after about a minute interval, in
comes a flood of responses with 0 packets lost.
>I get no response from 200.192.55.100 .
>So your problem is NOT with your modem, NOT with ppp, but possibly with
>your DNS server.
Apparently it still is....
Comments ????
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From: I_like_2B@home (HateLinux)
Subject: Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 23:12:58 GMT
On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:36:37 GMT, "Peter T. Breuer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Just search for your IPs DNS server on a lookup from elsewhere .. but
>this is likely NOT your problem. First convince us that your ppp is
>connected and functioning,
OK , I can ping any valid external address
>and that your routing tables are A-OK, as is
>your own hostname and IP address.
localhost@localdomain 127.0.0.0 or somesuch. I have no ethernet card.
> Note that your own machine and IP
>must be listed in /etc/hosts,
It is
> at a bare minimum. Since you haven't
>tried profusely to convince us that that's the way it is, and that you
>know what you are doing, I suppose that it isn't that way and you
>don't! So that's likely the problem area.
>
>>>The video card is something controlled by XFree.
>>>http://www.xfree.org/4.0.2/Status2.html#2
>>>for the writeup on the 3dfx-- supported both in 3.3.6 and 4.0
>> All the config programs just say "no possible screen modes",
>
>Then you've configured self-contradictory ones.
>Deal with it by configuring feasible ones. Mind you, xfree 4 is
>supposed to have a builtin list to select from
It has. I used it. I also chose ALL modes that were 800x600 or
higher. None work.
>, so you must have
>messed up pretty thoroughly on other aspects of the config to
>to be able to have disabled every single possible one! Perhaps
>you selected a dotclock of 100Hz instead of 100MHz? !!
No. No way.
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From: Steve Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:32:10 -0500
Scot Mc Pherson wrote:
> e-machines PCs which won't boot if you try to upgrade the hard drive because
> the hard drive contains some bios level code and the PC won't even start let
> alone boot unless its there.
For the record, this is not strictly true; we had an eMachines 400i2
that
lost its hard drive... I replaced it with one I had on the shelf, did
a restore from the restore CD, and it booted fine.
Lest this is misinterpreted as an endorsement for eMachines, let me
add that we had six and had to send three back to the factory for
warranty repair of dead power supplies.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H.Bruijn)
Subject: Re: Mail Advice
Date: 7 Mar 2001 00:34:04 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 09:55:23 +1100, Peter Nunn allegedly wrote:
>Thanks again Herman.
>
>One more question. If I want to use IMAP, I assume I need to activate
>the demon in inetd, but do I disable the pop one again or just leave
>both running?
I believe in choice, so leave them both running. They are not mutually
exclusive. In general though, running less daemons leaves an attacker
fewer ways to gain access to your machine, but them same holds for your
customers.
--
If a trainstation is the place where trains stop, what is a workstation?
========================================================================
Herman Bruijn mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Netherlands website: http://hermanbruijn.com
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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 01:39:00 +0100
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
> HateLinux <I_like_2B@home> wrote:
> > What works:
> > mouse (microsoft serial)
> > hard disk (quantum 10Gb)
> > soundblaster 64
> > printer (Epson dot matrix)
>
> Fairly standard, though I wouldn't trust a printer unless it's a PS
> printer working with a network card.
>
> > does NOT work
> > video card (voodoo3dfx w/16Mb mem)
>
> Never heard of it. I wouldn't trust anything called "voodoo". Use a
> matrox or a S3. Or boot it as vga16 until you know better.
lspci | grep Voodoo
00:0c.0 VGA compatible controller: 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo 3 (rev
01)
It's quite fast (2D (svga server) - havn't tested 3D as I don't play
games),
but I would like 3dfx to pay for the 2 fans I had to buy...:-(
Michael Heiming
>
>
> > modem (USR 2977 PCI NOT winmodem (dials, negotiates, sets up ppp but
>
> Impossible - PCI means winmodem and if not, it's a chance in a million,
> and you'd have to know about configuring it, which you don't. So
> don't ....
>
> > no internet connection)
>
> ... if it runs ppp, then that's all it has to do (and well done on
> setting up the modem!). The rest is up to you and your ISP. Check Bill
> Unruh's excellent web pages on debugging ISP problems.
>
> > tired of reading man pages, HOWTOS, and trying things that do not
> > work.
>
> All things work. It's doing inappropriate things that won't get you
> anywhere.
>
> > So is anyone here willing to help me set up my box ? I'm just
>
> Sounds set up just fine to me.
>
> > OS and recognize my hardware. If anyone here thinks an OS that cannot
> > do this is going to be anything more than a passing trend needs his
>
> It's not the business of the O/S, it's yours - you're the installer.
> What you are saying makes about as much sense as saying that a washing
> machine ought to be able to fit itself through the door and into your
> kitchen. Nope.
>
> Peter
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Reply-To: "Roy B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Roy B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Adding HW
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:42:14 GMT
What kind of hardware will you be adding?
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I'm new to Linux and was wondering when you add hardware, do you have to
> re-install your distribution or will it see the new HW on re-boot (and
> maybe ask you for a driver CD)?
>
> Does it vary with the distribution? I'm interested in Corel
> specifically but any info will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
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From: Steve Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: DNS questions...
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:50:34 -0500
Kam Bansal wrote:
> I've got RH7.0 loaded and have a domain registered and am providing a name
> server for that domain. That all seems to work (I think...)
>
> My problem is that I cannot resolve my actualy domain name, here is an example:
You don't resolve a domain name.
Name resolution provides the IP address of a particular
*computer* given its DNS name. A domain doesn't have
an IP address, so it's nonsensical to talk about
resolving a domain.
If you can resolve IP addresses in the zone for which your
nameserver is authoritative, then you have it set up
correctly.
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From: I_like_2B@home (HateLinux)
Subject: Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 23:44:12 GMT
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:47:32 +0000, Marcelo Rodrigues
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>No, real modems PCI DO exist! I,m using one of them this very moment. An
>USR 56K PCI (don't remember the model number). But all I had to do is
>install setserial and feed it with irq, I/O and an auto detect - for the
>UART. Works like a charm...
I also set mine up with setserial to comm 3 IRQ 11.
Sure it works.
(Note to readers... portuguese is not an economical
language....what follows is a translation of the above):
Eu era da alternex uns 6 anos atras, quando ainda era
do governo ..e a transmissao era embratel, pago por kilobyte :)
Claro que o modem funciona, mas alguem sabe porque nao
consigo connectar ao Ig ? Sera bloqueio local , uso o acesso de
Marilia ? Quando eu era do Terra conseguia sem problemas. Voce
consegue connectar ao Ig do Rio ?
Meu telefone de acesso eh 0XX14-421-0000
Passwd e login de praxe
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From: Steve Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CD Not recognised by kernel
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:58:26 -0500
David Mitchell wrote:
> [root ~]# mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom
>
> I get this:
>
> Kernel does not recognise /dev/hdc as a block device.
>
> Since this is an old box, the cdrom is plugged into the sound card.
That's your problem. /dev/hdc is the device node for the master drive
on the second IDE controller. Unless the sound card's interface is
IDE and is jumpered as the second IDE controller (I/O address 170,
IRQ 15), then your drive won't show up.
For more info, check
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/CDROM-HOWTO-3.html
By the way, you don't say which sound card you're using, but
I'd also point you toward the files in
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/cdrom for more info.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H.Bruijn)
Subject: Re: Thirteen Months - Linux still not working
Date: 7 Mar 2001 01:01:58 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 23:12:56 GMT, HateLinux allegedly wrote:
>On 6 Mar 2001 05:35:14 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H.Bruijn)
>wrote:
>>Otherwise use windows, where you relinquish a lot of control over the
>>system for a certain increase in ease-of-use. For me the trade-off is
>>in favour of linux, but if you don't want to learn more to get things
>>done, the balance may tilt in the direction of windows. No harm done. In
>>the end a computer is a tool, and as long as it gets the job done, who
>>cares how you get it done.
> Well written , and thought out, and true. You have to admit ,
>though , that man - writers do have a streak of sadism in them....
*grin* No I don't think that is the case. What I think happens is that
once you gain a certain profiency, you forget what it was like to be a
complete beginner. Of course you know rationally that people have
questions and encounter problems, but for somebody who's been using *nix
for a while, things make sense, believe it or not. Now once you reach
the level that you go and read the source code, and are able and willing
to write manual pages for that software, the existing pages already make
sense. That's why they don't get rewritten. For me (I have been using
different flavours of unix for 6 years) "man ls" explains exactly what I
need to know. But at first it didn't explain anything, I'll freely
admit. That's why I bought a book. UNIX Unleashed, System
Administrator's Edition, and included was UNIX Unleashed, Internet
Edition I still have the html versions online:
http://www.hermanbruijn.com/Docs/ADMIN/toc.htm
http://www.hermanbruijn.com/Docs/INTERNET/toc.htm
They are somewhat outdated, but most of the basics still hold. They
taught me shell scripting, some of the philosophies around unix, but I
learned most from my local guru. It goes right back to the middle ages
where novices take apprenticeships with masters of the craft. I at least
needed someone to hold my hands for the first steps, and to undo some
of the things I did which broke the system.
To stick with man ls (my explanations start with }}):
===============man page for ls =================================
LS(1) FSF LS(1)
}} LS name of the program
}} (1) section 1 of the manual pages which contains information about
}} executable programs or shell commands. Other sections would be
}} 1 Executable programs or shell commands
}} 2 System calls (functions provided by the kernel)
}} 3 Library calls (functions within system libraries)
}} 4 Special files (usually found in /dev)
}} 5 File formats and conventions eg /etc/passwd
}} 6 Games
}} 7 Macro packages and conventions eg man(7), groff(7).
}} 8 System administration commands (usually only for root)
}} 9 Kernel routines [Non standard]
}} FSF Free software foundation, the distributor
NAME
ls - list directory contents
}} brief description of hwat the program should do, brief and to the point.
SYNOPSIS
ls [OPTION]... [FILE]...
}} How does one use ls? simply call ls. The file (or directory) is
}} optional (That is the reason for the brackets), as are the options to
}} ls.
DESCRIPTION
List information about the FILEs (the current directory by
default). Sort entries alphabetically if none of -cftuSUX
nor --sort.
-a, --all
do not hide entries starting with .
-A, --almost-all
do not list implied . and ..
}} simple list of all options.
--
If a trainstation is the place where trains stop, what is a workstation?
========================================================================
Herman Bruijn mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Netherlands website: http://hermanbruijn.com
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From: "Markus G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Something to chew on..
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 02:05:39 +0100
> IIRC Win98 had a bug which will lead to a crash in about 42 days due to an
> internal counter overflow ;-P
Afaik some linux/unix boxes cannot get more than 420 days uptime - however
they will not crash, they just start counting from 0 again =)
Markus
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