Linux-Setup Digest #787, Volume #20 Thu, 8 Mar 01 22:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: First time Linux user (Laurent Cortier)
Re: glibc...HELP! ("" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Re: FTP and Telnet daemon problem. HELP... (dave)
Re: install Windows 2000 or SuSE 7.1 first? ("" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Re: Optimizing Kernel & System for AMD Durons ("Greg H.")
Redhat 6.1 won't start (even once) (Luke David MILLER)
Re: install Windows 2000 or SuSE 7.1 first? (Steve Taylor)
Re: Redhat 6.1 won't start (even once) (Steve Taylor)
Re: ADSL Problem Can some body help me in this problem (Rod Smith)
Re: Modules problems when upgrading from 2.2.16-32 to 2.4.0 (Norman Madden)
Re: +++++help++++ ("Bill Zhao")
Re: First time Linux user ("MeJustLookin'")
Re: Install tutorial page? ("MeJustLookin'")
Re: install Windows 2000 or SuSE 7.1 first? ("Uh Huh")
Re: Error during creation of swap space ("Duane Healing")
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From: Laurent Cortier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: First time Linux user
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 23:40:42 GMT
> At any rate, I assume drive D is a physical hard drive, not a partition,
> and I also assume that it is IDE. If this is true, allow Mandrake to do a
> default installation on /dev/hdb1. You see, the hd part identifies the
> drive as IDE, b means the 2nd hard disk, and 1 means the first partition.
> Mandrake may suggest dividing the drive up into multiple partitions, and
> this is fine. Just keep in mind that /dev/hdb is drive D in the Windows
> world.
Nice answer, but not completely exact though...
/dev/hdb is normally the second drive on the first IDE interface. On my
system, I have 2 HDs and 2 CDs, installed like this :
IDE0 : HD1 + CD1
IDE1 : CD2 + HD2
Thus I have :
HD1 = /dev/hda
CD1 = /dev/hdb
CD2 = /dev/hdc
HD2 = /dev/hdd
It may seem weird at first, but Windows still put the HDs in the normal
order and the CDs after them. And linux is completely flexible so of course
he has no problem with it either. As one of the CD is in fact a Plextor 12X
CDR, I can make CD to CD copies much more reliably coz each CD has it's
own IDE interface -> more speed & stability.
Another small thing : /dev/hdb can't be drive D: in windows world, because
hdb is a hard disk, not a partition. /dev/hdb1 would be the D: drive (if hdb
is a hard disk).
My .2 Euros,
Laurent Cortier
Consultant in a free world
http://www.dsimprove.be
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From: "<toor>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: glibc...HELP!
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:34:06 -0500
Use a RPM, thats the easiest way to upgrade, but not always good.
:-)
news wrote in message <3aa7ece3$0$70814$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Anyone out there have a good guide regarding how to upgrade glibc? I
>currently have glibc 2.1.1...I am trying to install Java 1.3 sdk which
>requires glibc 2.1.2. I have a RedHat 6.0 Linux installation.
>
>Any help is greatly appreciated!!!
>
>Matt
>
>
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From: dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.madrake,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: FTP and Telnet daemon problem. HELP...
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:34:34 GMT
Ted Chiang wrote:
> Hi all,
> I just installed Mandrake 7.2 on a HP machine. It's wonderful. Much
> better than Redhat. Mandrake rocks. But got a few question for you all.
> How come on a fresh installed server, the ftp and telnet server don't start
> themselves automatically? At first, i thought it was just my computer, but
> then I found out that another friend who has 7.2 also doesn't have his ftp
> and telnet server start by themselves.
you must make sure that these services are started up during boot time. Since
you are most likely booting in run level 3(default) make telnetd and ftpd link
from /etc/rcd to /etc/rcd.3 (dont remember the dir names ecactly). They are
disabled by default because of security reasons.
> I know inetd supposted to take care
> of it, but when I connect here are the message I got. Can anyone help?
Inetd has been replaced by xinetd since Mandrake 7.2. You should read the
xinetd docs which also point to some tutorials on the net on how to configure
it.
locate xinetd
(will show you where the docs are)
Dave
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From: "<toor>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: install Windows 2000 or SuSE 7.1 first?
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:35:33 -0500
Install Windows first, because if you installed Suse first it will burn your
MBR..Listen to Steve Taylor.
Steve Taylor wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:22:18 GMT, "Uh Huh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have two IDE hard drives, 3 and 8 G respectively. I'd like Windows 2000
>>Server on the first (3 G) drive and SuSE 7.1 Professional on the second
>>drive. Both will be clean installations. Does it matter whether I
install
>>Windows or Linux first? I've seen postings from people who are installing
>>both systems on the same disk (which is also the scenario described in the
>>SuSE 7.1 handbook) but since my situation is a bit different, I thought
I'd
>>ask. I'd appreciate any pointers to other places where this kind of
>>question has been asked and answered.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>
>
>Personally I'd install win2000 first 'cos Microsoft WILL overwrite
>your MBR and leave you unable to boot your shiny new SuSE Installation
>if you use LILO to boot....
>
>I'd recommend using LOADLIN to boot linux but everyone else seems to
>prefer using LILO....
>
>
>
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From: "Greg H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Optimizing Kernel & System for AMD Durons
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:43:47 GMT
In comp.os.linux.hardware Lacky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are there specific settings that one should switch when compliing a
> new kernel for AMD Duron processors? I want to make sure I am getting
> the most out of my system so it seems silly to compl;ie it generically
> for an i386 processor.
> Also, should certain parameters be flagged when compiling programs
> under a Duron system? IF so what?
> Any links or further information is greatly appreciated!
This link might be helpful: http://www.athlonlinux.org/
I don't have any Athlon-based systems, though, so I can't comment on it.
Greg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luke David MILLER)
Subject: Redhat 6.1 won't start (even once)
Date: 9 Mar 2001 00:44:39 GMT
I need help more then anyone in the history of the world has ever needed help before
.... I'm trying to install linux!
I have a PII350 with 128 meg of ram.
I have two HDD, one is a normal IDE and the other is SCSI.
I thought I'd install linux on the small SCSI (1gig) drive for a test run. I thought
the worst that could happen was that the SCSI drive would have to be refromatted at
few times.
Little did I know about the MASTER BOOT RECORD.
Now, when I switch on my computer, instead of loading windows or linux, it just starts
printing 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 ad nauseum.
I think something has gone wrong with LILO and it has clobbered the MBR. How do I
access the IDE HDD (with Windows ME on it)?
ANY help ANY one could give would be appreciated.
.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Taylor)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: install Windows 2000 or SuSE 7.1 first?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:56:36 GMT
On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:35:33 -0500, "<toor>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Install Windows first, because if you installed Suse first it will burn your
>MBR..Listen to Steve Taylor.
Why thanks toor.....
>
>Steve Taylor wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:22:18 GMT, "Uh Huh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I have two IDE hard drives, 3 and 8 G respectively. I'd like Windows 2000
>>>Server on the first (3 G) drive and SuSE 7.1 Professional on the second
>>>drive. Both will be clean installations. Does it matter whether I
>install
>>>Windows or Linux first? I've seen postings from people who are installing
>>>both systems on the same disk (which is also the scenario described in the
>>>SuSE 7.1 handbook) but since my situation is a bit different, I thought
>I'd
>>>ask. I'd appreciate any pointers to other places where this kind of
>>>question has been asked and answered.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Personally I'd install win2000 first 'cos Microsoft WILL overwrite
>>your MBR and leave you unable to boot your shiny new SuSE Installation
>>if you use LILO to boot....
>>
>>I'd recommend using LOADLIN to boot linux but everyone else seems to
>>prefer using LILO....
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Linux user #208472 - Http://counter.li.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Taylor)
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.1 won't start (even once)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 01:07:15 GMT
On 9 Mar 2001 00:44:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luke David MILLER)
wrote:
>I need help more then anyone in the history of the world has ever needed help before
>.... I'm trying to install linux!
>
>I have a PII350 with 128 meg of ram.
>
>I have two HDD, one is a normal IDE and the other is SCSI.
>
>I thought I'd install linux on the small SCSI (1gig) drive for a test run. I thought
>the worst that could happen was that the SCSI drive would have to be refromatted at
>few times.
>
>Little did I know about the MASTER BOOT RECORD.
>
>Now, when I switch on my computer, instead of loading windows or linux, it just
>starts printing 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 ad nauseum.
>
>I think something has gone wrong with LILO and it has clobbered the MBR. How do I
>access the IDE HDD (with Windows ME on it)?
>
>ANY help ANY one could give would be appreciated.
>
>.
>
EEEEKkkk.....
LILO again..... *sigh*
OK. luke... Get yourself a bootable floppy. One with FDISK.COM on it,
I think you should have it on the emergency startup disk that you
created when you installed winME....
Any old DOS 6.22 installation disks, win95 startup disks, anything
bootable with FDISK.COM on it in fact...
Just boot up with the floppy and type 'FDISK /MBR'
I sometimes do it twice just to be sure
Then run fdisk and check that the WinME partition is set bootable and
everything (except linux) should work....
I use LOADLIN to boot linux..... That way no MS
handholding-we-know-what-you-want programs can trash the MBR that LILO
runs on......
steve
Linux user #208472 - Http://counter.li.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: ADSL Problem Can some body help me in this problem
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 01:23:49 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <ZlUp6.3140$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Laurent Cortier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> [...]
>> risks. IMHO, a better solution in most cases is to use a dedicated
>> hardware router. (Many of these are reviewed at
>> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/reviews/.) Alternatively, you could
>> use one computer as the router -- connect the DSL modem to one computer,
>> then use another Ethernet card to connect this computer to the second
>> one (either via your existing hub or via a crossover cable). Using a
>> computer in this way is cheaper, but less secure. If you use a dedicated
>> hardware router, *IT* handles the DHCP or PPPoE connection to the ISP,
>> and your local computers use DHCP or static IP addresses on a local
>> private network. The router uses a technique called NAT or IP
>> masquerading to share the Internet connection.
>
> Isn't a hardware router for a home network a canon to kill a fly ?
> (seriously, you seem to be very well informed and I'd love to learn more :).
No. I'm not talking about the sort of router that's used at ISPs and on
the Internet backbones; I'm talking about a little $50-$500 (most are
$100-$150) box that's designed specifically for home and small business
users. The URL above points to reviews of these devices; check it for
more detailed specifications on particular models.
> What are the technical advantages above a linux box configured correctly,
> justifying the price difference ? Especially when you can use a quite old
> and cheap PC (486, Pentium 1st gen) which many ppl still have in their
> cellar.
Using an outmoded PC with, say, a Linux Router Project floppy, would be
similar to buying a dedicated box in many ways. The Linux box would
probably be more flexible (especially if you used a regular
distribution), but it would also be bigger (assuming you use regular
x86 hardware), noisier, consume more power, and be more difficult to
configure. If you used an old PC as you suggest, it would be more
likely to fail.
> Can't a linux box make a perfect NAT or IP masquerading system ?
"Perfect" is a subjective term in this context.
> And doesn't the 2.4.x kernels offer a nice solution for firewalling, even
> if still young ?
> I have many friends sharing their ADSL/cable connection with a little linux
> box and none have had any security problems in 2 years...
This is a viable option. Certainly if you use a DEDICATED system and
either know enough about security to secure it properly or use a
software distribution designed with this purpose in mind, it can be a
good setup. I suggested the standalone box because the original
poster's question led me to believe that this person didn't yet have
the Linux experience required to do it properly in Linux, and in fact a
dedicated broadband router product would SIMPLIFY the configuration of
the Linux workstation, because it would obviate the need for PPPoE
configuration. For somebody with more Linux experience and/or an old
486 or low-end Pentium gathering dust in a closet, the Linux route
might make more sense, because it's more flexible and (if the hardware
is already available) less expensive.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: Norman Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.ppp,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Modules problems when upgrading from 2.2.16-32 to 2.4.0
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:57:13 -0500
Richard Ng wrote:
> Hi, I have the same problem. I also upgraded my RH7 with kernel 2.2.16 to
> 2.4.2. I have installed all the ppp modules in my kernel. I had tried
> different versions(2.4.0, 2.4.0b2, 2.4.0b4) of ppp but none of them works.
> All of the complain my kernel does not support ppp. It seems that there is a
> miscommunication between ppp and kernel 2.4.2. I don't know whether
> modutils-2.4.3 could help or not but I am using modutils-2.4.2. I will try
> anyway. Thanks, in advance, for anyone who help.--Richard
>
> >
> > Hope someone can help me!!!!!!
> >
> > Christos Dimitrakakis
Uh, dumb question on my part but did you "upgrade" GCC before compiling. the
GCC that ships in 7.0 is broken (at least for kernels I've been told) use the
update agent to "upgrade" 7.0 complete first.....except the kernel. If you
want 2.4.2 to compile, read the requirements for compiling in the doc for the
kernel, modutils 2.4.2 needs to be already installed at compile time.
I un-zipped 2.4.2 to /usr/src/linux-2.4.2, pointed the symbolic link
/usr/src/linux to /usr/src/linux-2.4.2.
ran "make xconfig"
you are on your own here, a good idea is to run "dmesg | less" to see what is
all ready loading in the kernel you use and at least keep that in the next
kernel .....
ran "make dep && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install"
all one line...look for errors afterward
(an error on one command will make it stop before running the next command,
so look at the end for output from make modules_install)
ran"make install"
this does the work of coping the kernel, system map etc.
opened linuxconf>lilo>add kernel, your new kernel is in /boot and named
bzImage, use lilo to copy the kernel to ...say /boot/linux-2.4.2, lilo image
named maybe RH_7-2.4.2.
I hope this helps
norman madden ---newbie... but at least not frustrated as much anymore.
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From: "Bill Zhao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: +++++help++++
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:54:16 +0800
Advise you to use alsa drive and utility to function your sound
card.(www.alsa-project.org)
siukeung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:97nrrp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi, everyone,
> I have setup the >>RedHat 6.2+CLE 0.9 p1<< on my computer, but
> something I can't slove, it is I can't use the sound card and other divice
> on my computer, so I want to compile a new kernel into the computer. What
> should I do???
>
>
>
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From: "MeJustLookin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: First time Linux user
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:03:28 -0600
Reply-To: "MeJustLookin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ok,thanks Darin I;ll get one of them soon....
Getting kinda tired of Windows crashing so often.
Which one would be best for a beginner?
--
->->->->->-> Reply in newsgroup only please <-<-<-<-<-<-
"Darin Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "MeJustLookin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Hey are those programs (Red Hat, Linux
> > Mandrake and Suse 7.0) demos or what?
> > They aren't free are they?
>
> Yes, free!
>
> Free for downloading yourself over the net though. If you want a nice
> convenient CDROM, installation support, manual, and so forth, then you
> have to pay (though not that much).
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From: "MeJustLookin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Install tutorial page?
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:09:29 -0600
Reply-To: "MeJustLookin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ok thanks but not to sure about the
partitioning....never done it before.
Don't really want to lose my Windows until I learn Linux
and get it going properly.
--
->->->->->-> Reply in newsgroup only please <-<-<-<-<-<-
"David Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> > I am trying to install Linux 6.2 on a system running Windows ME.
> > I have System Commander 2000 for partitioning my HD and
> > running dual OS's. Can 6.2 run without DOS? I believe Win ME
> > does not use it (DOS) anymore.
>
> Win Me does still use DOS (It is based on it, WinXP will supposedly stop
> using DOS, like WinNT).
>
> Linux never touches DOS, it is a completely separate OS (and a far sight
> more powerful too). To install linux, use System Commander to shrink
> your Windows partition so you have at least 1.5 gig (preferably more)
> which is unpartitioned. Then run the linux install and it will guide
> you through
>
> > I also have Linux for Windows 6.5 but didn't notice it
> > won't work with Windows ME. Is there a fix for this
> > or a work around?
>
> The work around is to not use Linux for windows, since it is very slow
> and only as stable as windows, not as stable as linux (since it runs in
> a window on your desktop)
>
> Regards
> David
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From: "Uh Huh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: install Windows 2000 or SuSE 7.1 first?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 02:19:55 GMT
Thanks, all! I installed Windows 2000 first and then SuSE on the second
drive...no problems so far.
"<toor>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9898ev$8kt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Install Windows first, because if you installed Suse first it will burn
your
> MBR..Listen to Steve Taylor.
>
> Steve Taylor wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >
> >Personally I'd install win2000 first 'cos Microsoft WILL overwrite
> >your MBR and leave you unable to boot your shiny new SuSE Installation
> >if you use LILO to boot....
> >
> >I'd recommend using LOADLIN to boot linux but everyone else seems to
> >prefer using LILO....
> >
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From: "Duane Healing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Error during creation of swap space
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:49:10 -0800
Sounds likely that you've got a problem with your partition table. What
does the output of "fdisk -l /dev/hdd" look like?
--
-Duane
-DNAware SoftLabs
In article <NGUp6.6806$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rodney Leger"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Unfortunately dropping the number of blocks from my command only gives
> me another error.
>
> mkswap:error:swap area needs to be at least 40 kb.
>
> The size of the partition I created was 384 mb's.
>
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