Linux-Setup Digest #827, Volume #20 Wed, 14 Mar 01 14:13:12 EST
Contents:
Shutting down ("ColinR")
lilo ("The Main Man")
Re: Shutting down (DeAnn)
login problem (Steve)
Re: Shutting down (Lew Pitcher)
Re: Alcatel ADSL USB Speedtouch modem help (Tim Timmins)
Re: Installing Linux (Off Topic) (glenn)
Re: Alcatel ADSL USB Speedtouch modem help (Jay & Shell)
Re: Bootable backup CDs ("Tauno Voipio")
Re: Display (Barry R Piendl)
print setup in 2.4.1 (Marc Ulrich)
Re: Lilo with RH 7.0 Won't Enter Linux Automatically Anymore ("Kenneth Lafond")
please help me (tazboysc)
Re: Kernelproblem ("Kenneth Lafond")
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Reply-To: "ColinR" <colinr@DON'TSPAMMEntlworld.com>
From: "ColinR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Shutting down
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:38:50 -0000
When faced with a Login: prompt on a text screen, how can I shut the
machine down so volumes are cleanly unmounted?
I remember something about typing "byebye" somewhere...
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From: "The Main Man" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: lilo
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:46:34 +0200
I have a 20g as hda, with win2000 on it and a 20g as hdb with linux mandrake
on it. When I install lilo and change bios to boot second hard disk, all I
get is
a "LI" prompt. Ive told lilo to install to hdb5 (my root partition) as well
as hdb, but to no avail. any ideas?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DeAnn)
Subject: Re: Shutting down
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:43:24 GMT
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:38:50 -0000, "ColinR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>When faced with a Login: prompt on a text screen, how can I shut the
>machine down so volumes are cleanly unmounted?
>
>I remember something about typing "byebye" somewhere...
>
>
shutdown -h now
you must be logged on as root to do this
you can set up an alias for "byebye" if you want.
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From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: login problem
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:54:24 GMT
My problem is that lately (possibly after a crash, but not sure) I can only
login through xdm (kdm) but if I try trough the console I just get login
failures. Why? I must say also that in a X-terminal if I issue command
login it says "Unable to determine your tty name". In Konsole if I do "who
am i" I get nothing. I have shadow passwords and I am running 2.4.1 kernel
with glibc2.1.2.
Help!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Subject: Re: Shutting down
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:15:22 GMT
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:43:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DeAnn) wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:38:50 -0000, "ColinR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>When faced with a Login: prompt on a text screen, how can I shut the
>>machine down so volumes are cleanly unmounted?
>>
>>I remember something about typing "byebye" somewhere...
>>
>>
>shutdown -h now
>
>you must be logged on as root to do this
>you can set up an alias for "byebye" if you want.
<ctrl><alt><delete>
which depends on /etc/inittab having an entry that reads something
like:
ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t5 -hf now
Lew Pitcher
Information Technology Consultant
Toronto Dominion Bank Financial Group
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employer's.)
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From: Tim Timmins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: btopenworld.broadband.technical.chat
Subject: Re: Alcatel ADSL USB Speedtouch modem help
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:16:49 +0000
Chris wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Two points:
>
> 1. Has anyone managed to configure this modem with Redhat ?
> 2. The PC i am running linux on does not have a USB port. If I buy a
> standard PCI-USB card, will Redhat linux support the USB ports ? Could
> someone with same configuration let me know...
>
> Thanks all
I think you need the Linux drivers from Alcatel. They have been
'promised' for the 22nd of March.
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From: glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: opera.linux
Subject: Re: Installing Linux (Off Topic)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:20:34 GMT
hey andy- in case it isn't obvious, montessi's advice below was the only
REAL advice you've gotten so far...
...and since this isn't really the proper forum for discussing this
issue, i'm cross-posting it to comp.os.linux.setup, which is where you
should continue this thread from here forward. as you get more involved
in the linux community, you'll find that asking questions in the proper
forum will get you MUCH better answers, in general.
that said, despite what others have implied, i think the BEST use of
linux is to squeeze better performance out of older hardware, and your
computer fits the profile well. and for anyone to imply there's
something mind-bendingly complex about dual-boot installs is just, well,
goofy. what you DO need to do (and it's no different than if you were
dedicating the whole machine to linux and single-booting) is just have a
plan, and not overly complicate things. that's all.
beyond montessi's advice, i'd stress a couple of things:
- definitely leave your first drive alone. you've got the second one,
use it! repartitioning risks any data you have on it, and will be a lot
of work, and needless complication. you got a big fat drive sitting
there, that's all you need. you can use the version of fdisk (yes, THAT
fdisk, but different than the DOS version) that's built into your linux
installer to partition it, no special tools needed. LILO (LInux LOader)
is the application used to tell your machine which OS to boot, nothing
more.
- don't worry about installing multiple different versions of linux just
yet. just get one distro to start with (IMO, red hat's got the closest
thing to a push-button default install, but whatever you've access to is
fine), get it up and running on that big fat disk, and once you're
comfortable getting around in it, THEN maybe look into different
distros. i think you'll appreciate the differences between them more if
you've got more familiarity with the system in general.
- my most important bit of advice, and what i tell everybody who asks me
about installing linux (or any OS) for the first time, for the purpose
of learing about the system (and i assume, given your interest in the
various distros, that you ARE interested in learning how the system
functions, and the differences between them):
BE READY TO BLOW IT UP AND START OVER!
sounds crazy, like it's defeating the purpose, but there's logic behind
it, actually. there are things you can do on a test system that you just
can't do on a "production" system, i.e. one that has to stay up and
running:
1) if you're afraid to break the install, you won't be as inclined to
experiment with it, and won't learn as much about how it operates.
learning to administer a system (properly, anyway..) means learning
about processes, file permissions, filesystems, boot sequences... if
you're afraid to fiddle with settings, you'll never really learn how
they work! freeing yourself from the fear of mangling your install means
freedom to try anything you want!
2) the first time you coast through the installer, you'll be doing what
the book tells you or guessing at settings, more often than not. the
first time you RE-install it, you'll probably notice some settings you
didn't catch the first time around, and may find some things (say, your
partioning layout) that you want to change, because they didn't work the
way you wanted the first time. or just to see what happens. the more
installs you do, the more comfortable you'll be with it, and you won't
REALLY get to know the install process 'till you do it a few times, so
why not look forward to the opportunity?
3) i think of it as kind of a yardstick- start off with the attitude
that it's easy to just reinstall a broken system. when you get to a
point where you've done enough customizing of your environment, tweaking
of applications, and compiled and installed enough extra software, that
you're hesitant to just wipe it and re-install, THAT's the day you've
graduated from a test system to a production system, and it's time to
work on your next install- maybe those other distro's you want to pile
on your box.
of course, all of this is just my opinion, but i think it's a WAY better
opinion than people who would just tell you "nah, you can't do that"
when a) you obviously can, and b) you want to!
more specific notes below in your original message....
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Andy wrote:
> >
> > Hi there!
> >
> > I'm quite new to computers and come from a non-technical background. I
> > want to get familiar with Linux by installing it (ideally various
> > versions) on a 2nd harddrive -
> > which I am yet to install! - and need to know how to go about it.
> >
> > My PC is a Deskpro running W95 (2nd ed.) MMX166 proc, 32 ram, and just
> > over 1gig harddrive installed. My system resources are 80% free. I
> > would like to make a
> > partition for Linux on my present drive. I don't know how to do this.
> > Also, I don't want to squash anything onto the harddrive that won't fit
> > as I understand this
> > destroys existing data. So I want to make a partition for Linux and
> > install a version of it that has a small footprint!
don't bother. remember, you can boot straight from the second drive. no
need to fiddle with the first. leave it alone, you'll always have a
working win install you can fall back on (it's nice to be able to surf
when you screw something up).
>
> Well you could put a /boot and swap partition on your current drive, but
> why bother? I would not be comfortable with having only one gig for an
> installation.
> >
> > If I can then do this successfully then I would use Linux in installing
> > the 2nd hddrive and partioning it into multiple drives (it's 30.7 gig)
> > and try various installing different
> > versions of Linux per drive/partition. I've been told fdisk does'nt
> > partition for Linux and that I'll need to use LILO for this.
DOS fdisk can't make linux partitions. linux fdisk can, and will be run
automatically when you install. LILO is just the boot loader, used to
boot you box after install.
>
> free advice :-) Put in the 30 gig and use the installation CD with
> linux fdisk to partition it to your hearts content. You might want to
> make a common /home partition that you could share with various linux
> flavors; but I think you'll find most of the common ones i.e. Red Hat,
> SuSE, Mandrake pretty much the same. Caldera I know nothing about.
> Slackware I've installed and don't use often - but it's probably the
> most difficult to get around in at first. Then there's FreeBSD which is
> another mystery to me.
>
> > So my problem is:-
> > a) How do I get Linux onto my existing harddrive so that it sits
> > besides W95. Which means how do I make a partition for Linux?
>
no need.
> Install CD
> > b) How do I install my second harddrive so that I can break it up
> > into multiple partitions that, ideally, can have various Linux
> > distros or any other OS installed in
> > them if
> > wanted?
don't need to do anything special to it. just make sure your hardware is
installed correctly. do you know how to set the jumpers on the drive? do
you know how to check your BIOS to make sure your computer sees it? if
not, find out. once that's done, you're ready to install.
>
> Partition Magic, for one. But it doesn't do linux partitions to my
> knowledge. I have an old version that doesn't. But you can make the
> partitions with it and set your windows partitions if you so choose;
> then let linux fdisk make an ext2 system on the rest.
>
> > c)Can I do this without forking out for W2000 or any other
> > expensive software?
absolutely. for right now, i'd say don't worry about any extra
partitioning software. again, needless complexity. the installer will do
all the prep your disk needs.
> >
> > Any feedback would be greatly appreciated as I'm trying to find my
> > feet!! This foot-finding exercise will to be sure get really quite
> > interesting once Linux is on my
> > system!
>
have fun! hope you find your feet!
g++
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From: Jay & Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: btopenworld.broadband.technical.chat
Subject: Re: Alcatel ADSL USB Speedtouch modem help
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:29:47 GMT
Really pushing this site lately! Try here
http://www.scyld.com/network/
Tim Timmins wrote:
>
> Chris wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Two points:
> >
> > 1. Has anyone managed to configure this modem with Redhat ?
> > 2. The PC i am running linux on does not have a USB port. If I buy a
> > standard PCI-USB card, will Redhat linux support the USB ports ? Could
> > someone with same configuration let me know...
> >
> > Thanks all
>
> I think you need the Linux drivers from Alcatel. They have been
> 'promised' for the 22nd of March.
--
Registered Linux user #192969
MS-Windows - A Colorful Clown Suit For Dos !
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From: "Tauno Voipio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Bootable backup CDs
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:33:18 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:98o77t$npq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:15:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
> wrote:
>
> > On 12 Mar 2001 00:56:48 GMT, Ed Ohsone staggered into the Black Sun and
said:
> > >I would like to make backups of my hard drives on multiple CDs.
> > >It seems there are some tools for linux, like cdrecord, but
> > >I do not know if there exist tools which can create bootable CDs.
> > >
> > >MS Windows world has some tools capable of this task.
> > >Are there any in linux world?
> > >Since my system is mutiboot with win95, linux6.1, freeBSD, Solarisx86,
etc,
> > >each of them taking about 2GB, ideal tool should be able to create
bootable
> > >CDs for all of the OSs.
> > >
> > >I am not familiar with booting mechanism. So there may be some
> > >special way of creating bootable CDs with cnventional tools like
cdrecord.
> > >
> > >I would appreciate any pointer/comment.
> >
> > cdrecord does not create a bootable CD; it just takes an ISO9660 image
> > and writes it to a CD. Check the man page for mkisofs, paying attention
> > to the -b and -c options.
>
> Well, what does the bios look for on the cd when 'boot from cd' is
> enabled and 'atapi cdrom found' is issued? Is there a separate small
> image of some sort that provides a root image and maybe atapi cdrom
> drivers for immediate use by the otherwise bare system?
>
The BIOS exchanges the diskette control for the diskette image on the CD-ROM
for the duration of the boot. For details, point your favourite search
engine to 'El Torito' specification.
The diskette image should contain a kernel with the necessary support to run
with the necessary peripherals after boot. There is a possibility to include
device driver modules, see the Bootdisk-HOWTO.
Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio @ iki fi
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barry R Piendl)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Display
Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:39:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I see email tech support links for Tatung as follows:
USA:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
UK:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Taiwan:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Surely if you give them an email with your model of monitor they can give you
horizontal and vertical frequencies for different screen resolutions.
FYI, these addresses were on a page at http://monitor.tatung.com.tw/.
Good Luck,
BP
In article <98o0ce$igk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>> > Please note that it refers to the manual.
>> > Get the numbers from that manual, not from the backplane of your
>monitor.
>> > Otherwise, look it up at the XFree86 monitor database.
>> >
>
>On my system there's a file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/Monitors
>(Your monitor does not appear to be in there though)
>
>Check www.xfree86.org and follow links until you find a database.
>
>Check the website of your monitor's manufacturer.
>
>go to www.google.com and try to find info about your monitor.
>
>go to the shop where you bought it, and ask them for the information.
>
>It's all up to you now.
>
>Eric
>
>
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From: Marc Ulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: print setup in 2.4.1
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:52:44 -0500
I'm using the kernel version 2.4.1 and cannot get linux to recognize any
printer devices. In the 2.2.16 kernel that I was using before, this
problem was easily fixed by putting the line:
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
in the /etc/conf.modules file. However, doing that now gives me a
warning message on startup something to the effect of:
"use of /etc/conf.modules is outdated. . . ignoring /etc/conf.modules .
. ."
So I went on the net to find some info about what changed regarding this
and couldn't find anything. i.e. after 30 minutes I realized I have no
clue where to look & the stuff isn't easy to find.
can someone help me out?
Thanks,
Marc
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From: "Kenneth Lafond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.redhat,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.redhat,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Lilo with RH 7.0 Won't Enter Linux Automatically Anymore
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:44:13 -0800
Look in your /etc/lilo.conf file. make sure the values timeout=XX and
default=label are correct and present, where XX is the number of secs to
timeout to the default, and label is the label for the image you want to be
default.
Ken
"Meron Lavie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I installed RH7.0 a few months ago (it's the only OS on the machine).
>
> Up until last week, when I booted the computer, the Lilo would display
> "LINUX" (together with a picture of the man in the Red Hat in the corner),
> and then I could either press ENTER immediately if I was inpatient, or
could
> just wait a few seconds and by default Linux would then boot.
>
> Without warning, Linux is no longer brought up by default after a few
> seconds. I now am forced to manually press ENTER. This is a problem for me
> as Linux is my gateway, and we have power problems frequently - so I want
to
> be sure that my gateway will automatically come up if I;m not around to
> press ENTER.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> TIA,
>
> --
> Meron Lavie
> www.redmatch.com - World's Largest Hi-Tech Salary Site
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> NOTE: THERE ARE NO DIGITS IN MY REAL EMAIL ADDRESS (ANTI-SPAM)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tazboysc)
Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:50:08 GMT
Subject: please help me
hi,im trying to install, linux-mandrake 7.2 complete...i have tryed every way
to install but it want..it will go as far as detecting devices,but thats it ,it
stops..i have to cut the power off.im bout to give up..will someone please help
me..thanks...email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Kenneth Lafond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Kernelproblem
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:52:45 -0800
What do you mean by install the kernel 'normally'. I've been trying to
install 2.4.2 for a few days now, and I keep running into the same issue. I
follow the steps in the HOWTO (like you described). To install the kernel
all it says you have to do is copy the bzImage to the /boot directory, add
that image in your lilo.conf file, and then run lilo (lilo then adds the
image for me). However, when I boot up all I see is a message giving the
label of the image I'm booting, and a message saying 'Uncompressing the
kernel.....kernel OK.' then it hangs - it never even tries to actually boot
the kernel.
Any ideas? Did I miss a step in the installation of the kernel? (ie what
do I do with the new system.map, or the new vmlinux? Do I have to change
any of the symlinks in the /boot directory by hand?)
Ken
"Bruce S. Garlock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Backup your .config file in the kernel source directory, and do a 'make
> mrproper' This will clean out any garbage. Copy back in the .config
file,
> do a 'make depend' 'make bzImage' 'make modules' 'make modules_install'
and
> install the kernel normally.
>
> You probably have some bad header files someplace, and you should start
off
> with a "fresh" kernel source.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Bruce
>
> bindou wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > I have tried to recompile my (new) kernel 2.2.17.However, there is error
> > message that prevend me from completing the recompile:
> > signal.c:623:parse error before 'EXPORT_SYMTAB_not_defined'
> > signal.c:623:warning type defaults to 'int' in declaration of
> > signal.c:623:warning data definition has no type or storage cl
> > signal.c:624:parse error before 'EXPORT_SYMTAB_not_defined'
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > signal.c:636:......
> >
> > anyone have any idea?
> >
> > rgds
> > bindou
>
> --
> Bruce S. Garlock
> Garlock Printing
> http://www.satinwrap.com
>
>
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