Linux-Setup Digest #975, Volume #20 Tue, 3 Apr 01 04:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: Trouble with Epson Stylus Color ("Gene Heskett")
Re: LPD not working... Help ("Gene Heskett")
Re: printing in star office ("Gene Heskett")
Re: LILO splash screen. -- NEW QUESTION ("Gene Heskett")
Re: Which RedHat to use: 6.2 or 7.0 ? (KCmaniac)
Re: Partioning problem during install ("Eric")
Re: Red Hat 7.0 & Lilo ("Theng Ung")
Re: removing lilo from /dev/hdc ("Eric")
Re: I would like to register a complaint ... ("Eric")
Re: Red Hat 7.0 & Lilo ("Eric")
Re: Which RedHat to use: 6.2 or 7.0 ? ("Eric")
Re: Monitor set up ("Riyaz Mansoor")
Re: I would like to register a complaint ... (KCmaniac)
please help me on cable modem for Red Hat 7 ("Myungcho Oh")
Re: NTP HowTo (Michael Perry)
Re: Help! System freeze or normal processing time? ("Joseph Gallagher")
Re: I would like to register a complaint ... ("Eric")
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Date: 26 Mar 2001 0:20:43 -0500
From: "Gene Heskett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trouble with Epson Stylus Color
Gene Heskett sends Greetings to J. E.;
JEG> Gregg Black wrote:
>>
>> I was doing a reinstall of my 7.2 set because I just received the
>> ext2 disk
>> (yeah I know... newbie... shouldn't have to do this). Anyhow, as I
>> got the printer setup, I selected lpd instead of CUPS(my general
>> linux book doesn't cover this daemon). BTW, what is the CUP
>> Server?
>>
>> So I selected lpd thinking that's the safe choice. Then selected
>> at first the Stylus Color... something plain txt driver? After
>> mapping it to
>> /dev/lp0 and selecting the default quene, the printer didn't work.
>> Tried it with 360 x 360 res, letter size, and ASCII test. No
>> workie. After that I went back up the install tree and selected the
>> Epson 800 / Esc P2 since my stylus color is a Esc P2 model. That
>> still didn't work. Tried postscript as if that's going to help
>> anything. You're probably going to ask if I redirected standard
>> output to the printer, and yes I did. That works, but just the
>> driver doesn't. What can I try and do differently here?
JEG> CUPS (tm) is the Common UNIX Printing System.
JEG> Not too bad. I use it on my Linux From Scratch
JEG> partition. On my Slackware partition I use
JEG> Apsfilter. Both work fine.
JEG> I assume you're using Mandrake, which I have
JEG> no experience with, but I believe you still need
JEG> Magicfilter or Apsfilter (or CUPS) to do a proper
JEG> job. See the Linux Printing-HOWTO.
There was a blurb on linuxtoday a month or so back that indicated that
CUPS was now the std printing engine for mandrake. I just got it setup
here, with an amazing increase in the quality on paper compared to the
elderly drivers available in the std ghostscript (used by lpd)
distribution.
In other words, put it in.
Cheers, Gene
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Date: 1 Apr 2001 10:35:50 -0500
From: "Gene Heskett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LPD not working... Help
Gene Heskett sends Greetings to Robert B.;
RBG> I am having a similar problem to the one listed bellow:
RBG> I receive the following when I try to start lpd
RBG> Starting lpd: /usr/sbin/checkpc: error while loading shared
RBG> libraries:
RBG> /usr/sbin/checkpc: undefined symbol: stat
RBG> /usr/sbin/lpd: error while loading shared libraries:
RBG> /usr/sbin/lpd: undefined symbol: stat
RBG> [FAILED]
The updates shouldn't break printing, but you may have to rerun the
printtool to reset it for what may be new options.
RBG> Please give detailed directions because when I tried the ones
RBG> listed below I receive the following:
RBG> When I try to run - ldd `which lpr` - I get:
RBG> ldd ./which lpr: No such file or directory
In my case that error would be reported because it can't find 'which',
something even locate can't do here on my RH7.0 but much updated system.
RBG> I am using Redhat Linux 7.0 and I installed Linux Kernel 2.4.0
RBG> this problem happened after installing the RedHat updates from
RBG> the RHN Update Agent (Note: installing a kernel upgrade does not
RBG> make me a smart Linux user) please give detailed directions when
RBG> explaining how I should fix my lpd problem.
If you have an HP inkjet, I would run, not walk, to the HP site and get
the whole maryann of their new linux printer drivers. This includes the
just released drivers, a script that merges them into the rhs-printfilters
database so you can select them with printtool, and a specially built
version of ghostscript that uses the new drivers. I have an HP-682C at
work that has never looked this good until now.
All this BTW works with the security fixed version of LPRng from the
bugfixes pages, but *be aware* that the newest versions you can get from
rawhide now require several other supporting programs, such as alchemy,
printconf, 4something_or_other, and IIRC, the latest updated libmng-1.0.
I got all those and still couldn't make it work, backed up to the bugfix
version and the HP kit, installed it all and it worked the first time,
right out of the box.
[snip to good info]
>> Do a ldd to find out what libraries it uses:
>>
>> ldd `which lpr`
>>
>> Then run ldconfig to see if the library is installed:
>>
>> ldconfig -v | less
>>
>> Install any missing libraries
Repeat as nessessary IF you have 'which'. As I did a full install, it
should be there, but it not. Anybody recall which .rpm it (which) is
in?
Cheers, Gene
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Date: 1 Apr 2001 17:19:10 -0500
From: "Gene Heskett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: printing in star office
Gene Heskett sends Greetings to Len Philpot;
LP> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Dave Uhring"
LP> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Using spadmin, set up your printer as HP Laser Jet 4 Plus. Make
>> that your default printer.
>>
>> This assumes, of course, that you have properly configured your
>> print system to print PostScript out of the default printer.
LP> How (or where) do you configure the printer so that the specified
LP> margins match what's on paper? I remember eons ago, in
LP> WordPerfect for DOS you could specify and offset X,Y that would
LP> adjust for individual printer/driver differences. Right now,
LP> printing from SO is useless for me, as everything is flush
LP> top/left, no matter what I setup in spadmin for a margin.
I have the same problem with an Epson Stylus Pro. All printing is
anchored to the upper left corner the printer can do regardless of the
margins chosen, AND it thinks the paper is A4 regardless of that
setting, continually putting about 2mm of stuff on the next page from
the page being printed, but otherwise wasting a page.
I also asked about it here, and received a resounding silence. Not a
very exclusive club IMO.
Cheers, Gene
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Date: 1 Apr 2001 23:10:33 -0500
From: "Gene Heskett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO splash screen. -- NEW QUESTION
Gene Heskett sends Greetings to Natman ;
> It is a .pcx file. (I renamed it and opened it with Corel
> Photopaint).
> Natman
Thanks, I was able to customize mine with gimp in fairly short order.
Don't forget to rerun lilo to link the new version when you're done
'Customizing' yours.
> "Jeremy Paiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:99t90u$2dn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Henrik Farre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > Btw. What format is the message file, if I what to replace it?
>> >
>>
>> the "message" file is a data file (binary?), similar to "boot.b".
Cheers, Gene
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From: KCmaniac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which RedHat to use: 6.2 or 7.0 ?
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 02:11:14 -0400
Stanislaw Flatto wrote:
> Is your setup suffering from one particular problem only?
> If so get patches 15,16,17, patch the source and recompile the kernel.
> RH7 is/has been suffering from other problems, some of which you maybe
> missing on more stable 6.2.
> But it is your scalp - so beware.
I was under the impression that even numbers such as 2.4.2 was supposed to
be stable and not a beta or under-test version of a kernal. Why would there
be problems with using this kernal version with any version of RH such as
6.2 or 7.0????
Why would RH put out a 7.0 for consumption when it is so buggy?? Is that
not poor business practice? Or why would the Linux gurus make available a
kernal of which they proport to be stable (considering its even number that
they themselves give off the impression that it can be trusted) when it in
fact it is not. Is that not poor business practice?? Is the Linux world
getting careless? Are they starting to leave it up to their "customers" to
debug or burn-in their product for them? This seems really unsettling.
When does it all end? When will Linux be through with its test phase and
stop changing so rapidly to the point of being more trouble than it is
worth? What is Linux's goal? Business model? Aspirations? What is it
trying to become? Why all these freaking distributions?? Does the Linux
world not understand that all these distributions is muddying their waters
to the point of becoming usable? Maybe I'm wrong about this but I am having
trouble understanding the point of what Linux is supposed to be all about?
RLH
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From: "Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partioning problem during install
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:22:18 +0200
> No....still can't create /. But I had at one time...long story but I
> think creating and removing the Linux partitions on this disk has
> fouled it up somehow.
>
The you can try to clear the MBR entirely.
(You need a linux for this, use the rescue option
of the RH CD if you don't have a linux installed yet)
First backup the current MBR:
dd if=/dev/hdb of=./old_MBR_hdb count=1
And then wipe it clean:
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1
Try the install again now.
Eric
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From: "Theng Ung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: Red Hat 7.0 & Lilo
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:50:38 +1000
Hi Eric,
Yes, It is now up and running. But I had to install Red Hat again as I had
to create a boot disk.
and modify lilo.conf and add another line to boot Windows 2000.
Many thanks for your help.
Theng
"Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9aa0fq$4tn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Eric, thanks for the response.
> > I believe I put lilo in Linux partition which is on /dev/hda2.
>
> then it will indeed not boot, as that is beyond cylinder 1024.
> The default DOS MBR probably cannot access that region.
>
> > I can get Windows 2000 to boot again when I mark it's partition active.
>
> that's at least a good thing.
> You can use the nt loader to boot linux too if you like.
> (I never tried this, I always use LILO as the main bootloader, but there's
> a good howto on the subject)
>
> > I have a linux boot disk, how do I use it to boot and be able to edit
the
> > lilo.conf in the /dev/hda2 partition?
>
> just put the floppy in, and reboot. It will use the partitions you
defined,
> so
> no worry, you'll be able to correct them once you booted from floppy.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
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From: "Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: removing lilo from /dev/hdc
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:48:30 +0200
> I'm trying to get a flash disk installed and booted
> with ANY boot loader. Works great from boot floppy
> via initrd using GRUB, but I'm unable to get either
> GRUB or Lilo to work.
>
> At this point, the disk has lilo installed, which
> stops at 'LI'...so I'd like to try syslinux, but
> the MBR is lilo'd and I can't get lilo removed.
>
> Any ideas how to get lilo removed from /dev/hdc ?
What do you want to be in the MBR after you removed LILO?
nothing(all zero's)? or the default DOS loader?
the first is achieved through dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdc bs=446
but I'm not sure if this is what you want.
fdisk /MBR will achieve the latter, and is probably what you want.
(be carefull not to wipe the MBR of hda)
Eric
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From: "Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I would like to register a complaint ...
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:38:39 +0200
> I realize this isn't the argument clinic, but I would like to register a
> complaint.
>
> There is a very fundemental concept in the DOS/Windows world of being
> able to format a partition, after which you can begin again compiling
> data into that empty but very much functional partition. WHY DOESN'T
> LINUX HAVE AN EQUIVALENT COMMAND/FUNCTION???
you have misinterpreted the idea of making an FS.
It does not require a full wipe. DOS thinks it does, and that's why it takes
ages to format a floppy in DOS, whereas in linux it's done in the blink of
an eye.
> Sorry for the big letters but I am now extremely frustrated over Linux's
> apparent inability to clear a partition of all its data and to be able
> to just simply begin again. Instead, it appears that you have to jump
> through a bunch of hoops and all of which I have not yet found.
This is extremely simple, even without distroying an FS like you did.
> Without getting into the why's and what for's, formatting a partition in
> the DOS/Windows world is a legimate and useful function when it is the
> desired thing to do.
formatting != clearing
You want more functionality than I do from the mkfs tool.
Combine tools, or use the appropriote tool for what you want.
> Is there anybody out there that knows enough about Linux/Unix
> filesystems that can tell me why this function is not available and if
> it is what is it?
Just write zero's to a file.
> It looks like I am going to have to use Linux's fdisk to change the what
> "root sector??" of the partition to tell the DOS format function that it
> is a FAT32 filesystem even when it is not but just so it will format it
> in such a way that I can reuse it. After the DOS format is done
> clearing the partition I will then have to change the partitions "ID"
> back to Linux native and use the mke2fs to remake the ext2 filesystem.
> At that point I should have clean and empty ext2 partition. So far this
It's an option, but none I would choose.
> is the only thing I can think of to achieve this desire goal. I tried
> at the suggestion of someone in this newsgroup to use:
>
> dd if=/dev/zero 0f=/dev/hdxX : where hdxX is a partition but this
> apparently write zeros over everything including important locations
> such as what makes up a superblock that Linux apparently very much
> needs. This superblock needs to be recreated but the ext2 partition is
The FS needs to be recreated.
> just not the same after that. Something is a miss when doing this
> method.
Then you made a mistake. (PS. it's of= not 0f=)
The superblocks are recreated when you run mke2fs again.
You create a new FS, that will indeed not be the same afterwards.
You renewed it yourself. I don't know what you mean otherwise.
If I do this, I expierience no problems. Ofcourse, if you have a crappy
partitiontable, you will run in to big problems.
> Is there any body out there who knows enough to give me a workable
> solution. I just can't understand why Linux does not perform this very
> simple yet powerful function over its own filesystem.
remove all file you want to remove from the FS (everything if you want
to fully clear) an run `cat /dev/zero > just_a_file` It will stop when the
FS
is full, or the file reaches 2G (whichever occurs first). If the 2G limit is
reached
first, run a new cat (to another file!) eventually the entire FS is cleared.
This option is usefull if you want ot compress an FS that still contains
files.
If you want to clear an entire FS, it's easier to recreate it:
That's done like this:
cat /dev/zero > /dev/partition_you_want_to_clear (Be carefull with this!)
and then
mke2fs /dev/partition_you_just_cleared
Eric
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From: "Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: Red Hat 7.0 & Lilo
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:59:02 +0200
> Yes, It is now up and running. But I had to install Red Hat again as I
had
> to create a boot disk.
you don't need to reinstall. just to create a bootdisk!
the CD has this option:
linux root=/dev/where-your-root-is
> and modify lilo.conf and add another line to boot Windows 2000.
That you needed to do indeed, but reinstalling was a bit drastic.
Anyway, I'm glad you got it up and running now.
Eric
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From: "Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which RedHat to use: 6.2 or 7.0 ?
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:28:10 +0200
> > Is your setup suffering from one particular problem only?
> > If so get patches 15,16,17, patch the source and recompile the kernel.
2.2.19 is out now, so if you want to get uptodate with a 2.2.....
>
> I was under the impression that even numbers such as 2.4.2 was supposed to
> be stable and not a beta or under-test version of a kernal. Why would
there
> be problems with using this kernal version with any version of RH such as
> 6.2 or 7.0????
they are stable. That doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be tested.
There are only so many people actively involved in making the new kernels.
Once the kernel gets released, other people, with different setups may run
into
problems. There can be several updates for a stable kernel, (why do you
think
2.2 got to 2.2.19 now)
> Why would RH put out a 7.0 for consumption when it is so buggy?? Is that
> not poor business practice?
ask them.
And besides that, it's not that buggy. They just made some poor choices
(especcially with the compiler)
> Or why would the Linux gurus make available a
> kernal of which they proport to be stable (considering its even number
that
> they themselves give off the impression that it can be trusted) when it in
> fact it is not.
it can never be 100% perfect. Usage will reveal some less obvious errors.
> Is that not poor business practice?? Is the Linux world
> getting careless? Are they starting to leave it up to their "customers"
to
> debug or burn-in their product for them? This seems really unsettling.
no it's not. Stay away from 2.4 until you trust it, if you don't like the
game.
I'm not forcing you to use a 2.4 kernel, nor is anyone else. I even doubt
that
anyone is telling you that you must use linux at all. If you don't like it,
don't use it.
> When does it all end? When will Linux be through with its test phase and
> stop changing so rapidly to the point of being more trouble than it is
> worth?
That's not up to linux, that's up to you to decide.
The same goes for the microsoft OS's btw: 3.11/95/98/ME
> What is Linux's goal? Business model? Aspirations? What is it
> trying to become? Why all these freaking distributions??
They just provide a basic setup, that may reduce the hassle of installing
a working solution for you. Make your own if you like. The license gives you
every right to do so.
> Does the Linux
> world not understand that all these distributions is muddying their waters
> to the point of becoming usable? Maybe I'm wrong about this but I am
having
> trouble understanding the point of what Linux is supposed to be all about?
I'm not sure if you're just trolling, or if you really want some answers?
Eric
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From: "Riyaz Mansoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Monitor set up
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:42:13 +1000
> and why do you crosspost stupid phuck?
get a life.
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From: KCmaniac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I would like to register a complaint ...
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 03:32:22 -0400
Eric wrote:
Sorry Eric, but you were not very informative.
First of all you say "format != clearing". You want to elaborate on that or
just leave it up to my imagination? What specifically is the difference?
> Ofcourse, if you have a crappy
> partitiontable, you will run in to big problems.
>
Nope. Nothing wrong with the partition table.
>
> remove all file you want to remove from the FS (everything if you want
> to fully clear) an run `cat /dev/zero > just_a_file` It will stop when the
> FS
> is full, or the file reaches 2G (whichever occurs first).
Got me there. I am not familiar with the ">" function. What is the difference
between 'cat /dev/zero > devicename' and 'dd if=/dev/zero of=devicename'.
> That's done like this:
>
> cat /dev/zero > /dev/partition_you_want_to_clear (Be carefull with this!)
What do you mean "be careful with this"?!? You type it in and press enter.
After that what choice do you have?
> and then
> mke2fs /dev/partition_you_just_cleared
It sounds like you are suggesting nearly the same thing as I have been trying.
This method is apparently making one huge file of zeros taking up the entire
partition. Is this what the DOS formatting function does?
So you say you have "formatted" an ext2 fs using these two commands:
cat /dev/zero > /dev/hdxX (assuming, of course, hdxX is mounted) followed
by
mke2fs /dev/hdxX
and that partition was as usable as it was before even though it is now one huge
file full of zeros?
RLH
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From: "Myungcho Oh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: please help me on cable modem for Red Hat 7
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 07:33:41 GMT
hello
I am very newbie.
and using Road Runner from NYC.
any suggestion will be good for me.
I have install Red Hat 7 on my desktop
(my desktop have win98, window2000, and Red Hat 7)
during the Red Hat install I choose dhcp and boot at start.
what should I do next?
I am using gnome.
and when I try the netscape. it do not connect.
only this message appear
'perhaps there is a problem with your name server?
if your site must use a non-root name server,
you will need to set the $SOCK_NS environment
variable to point at the appropriate name server.'
and from netcfg
i try to activate the eth0 and this message appear
'operation failed'
please help me
I bought 2 books on Linux but there is nothing about dhcp and conneting to
internet with cable modem. there is only dialup modem and adsl.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat,redhat.kernel.general
Subject: Re: NTP HowTo
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 07:35:37 -0000
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:35:33 -0500, SS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ok.. I got a really silly question. I'm trying to setup my Linux box to
>automatically synth with one of those atomic clock. But I'm not able to
>find any HowTo doc on this subject.
>
>Can someone tell me how I can setup this automatic time synth? Let say, the
>system will check the time every hour or 15 minutes...
>
>Thanx
>
>Sam
>
>
I run ntp on a server which is then hit with time requests from clients
running ntpdate at either startup or in a cronjob. If you set the system
clock to UTM, you can let ntpdate have fun with the system date. I always
choose PST8PDT and set the bios clock to UTM. The system then self adjusts
with each change and ntpdate keeps things in sync as the year progresses.
If you read the man page for ntp, ntpdate will have problems running on a
system that xntp runs ons.
This last clock change, I woke up and voila all the systems I use had
changed as they should have and were the correct time. I don't run dual
boot systems whatsoever here.
If you edit a cronjob as root, you can make ntpdate work every so often.
Say you want a time sync every 2 hours:
* */2 * * * /usr/sbin/ntpdate -s name.of.server.net (your timeserver on the
net)
in a root cronjob should do it.
--
Michael Perry
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Joseph Gallagher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help! System freeze or normal processing time?
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:39:16 -0700
Install retried - System freeze at "Performing Configuration" did not allow
the use of the <ctr><alt> 1 to 7.
When pressed, nothing happened.
Tried manual partitioning, 100 MB root, 64 MB Swap, rest for /usr (over 1g)
No change
Tried Custom install, several times, with different packages.
No change
How do I get out of the freeze without manually turning the computer off?
"Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9a9gpf$ot6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > When installing RH 7 for the first time, I get all the way to the
> Performing
> > Post Install Configuration progress bar, then the whole thing appears to
> > lock up. The progress bar moves maybe one eighth of the way, then
stops.
>
> why? what happens here?
>
> > I have tried leaving at that point for several hours, but it does not
> > recover. Am I being too impatient? Or should it sit there for longer?
> > And what is the way to get out of this lockup? I have to turn the
> computer
> > off to restart.
>
> that's not normal.
> try it again, and use <ctrl><alt><function keys 1 to 6> to see if an error
> is
> reported somewhere. <ctrl><alt><F7> will get you back to the installer.
> Don't try to install everything, and choose expert install, don't go for
the
> automated options.
>
> > System details if they help:
> > AMD K6 II 450
> > 8GB windows HD primary master
> > 1.2GB drive secondary slave for Linux, partitions deleted during disk
> druid
> > and the using automatic partitioning
>
> that may prove to be a bit small, depends on how much you're installing,
and
> perhaps on how you partitioned.
>
> And don't use the automatic partitioning option, your capable enough of
> choosing
> for yourself. Read the partitioning howto, and never trust any automated
> tool.
> It's the main reason why MS-windows is so annoying, it keeps assuming it
> knows
> better what I want than I do.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
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From: "Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I would like to register a complaint ...
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:53:47 +0200
> Sorry Eric, but you were not very informative.
>
> First of all you say "format != clearing". You want to elaborate on that
or
> just leave it up to my imagination? What specifically is the difference?
format (logical formatting) is making a filesystem, that means, just make a
logical structure, that can be used to retrieve data stored in that
structure.
making such a structure can be done by just creating empty allocation
structures.
Empty just means, there are no references to files in the structure.
This doesn't mean that there is no data on that partition, the FS just has
no
references to this data, and therefor it cannot be used to access that data.
>From the user point of view, that partition is empty.
> > Ofcourse, if you have a crappy
> > partitiontable, you will run in to big problems.
> >
>
> Nope. Nothing wrong with the partition table.
how well can you read partition tables?
> >
> > remove all file you want to remove from the FS (everything if you want
> > to fully clear) an run `cat /dev/zero > just_a_file` It will stop when
the
> > FS
> > is full, or the file reaches 2G (whichever occurs first).
>
> Got me there. I am not familiar with the ">" function. What is the
difference
> between 'cat /dev/zero > devicename' and 'dd if=/dev/zero of=devicename'.
it's plain redirecting.
the effect of dd and cat in this example is the same.
>
> > That's done like this:
> >
> > cat /dev/zero > /dev/partition_you_want_to_clear (Be carefull with
this!)
>
> What do you mean "be careful with this"?!? You type it in and press
enter.
> After that what choice do you have?
after it, you have no choice. if you make a typo, or just altered the
partitiontable,
you may end up with wiping the wrong partition.
> > and then
> > mke2fs /dev/partition_you_just_cleared
>
> It sounds like you are suggesting nearly the same thing as I have been
trying.
You must have made an error, if you failed, as this will do exactly what you
want.
> This method is apparently making one huge file of zeros taking up the
entire
> partition. Is this what the DOS formatting function does?
I have no clue, show me the source code of fdisk :-)
But it looks like this, after this, it creates the FAT's too.
> So you say you have "formatted" an ext2 fs using these two commands:
> cat /dev/zero > /dev/hdxX (assuming, of course, hdxX is mounted)
followed
> by
> mke2fs /dev/hdxX
>
> and that partition was as usable as it was before even though it is now
one huge
> file full of zeros?
it's no file of zero's, it's a new ext2 flesystem.
All blocks that are not used by the filesystem internal structure are filled
with zeroes now.
Only the latter command would have made a new FS, the first step is only for
people who
are really suspicious about data falling in the wrong hands.
Eric
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