Linux-Setup Digest #268, Volume #21 Sun, 20 May 01 12:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: RH7.1 Kernel compilation ("Gene Heskett")
Re: prevent chane of resolv.conf (Stuart Wright)
Re: destination host unreachable (Tiikuli)
Re: What is wrong with LILO??? (Steve Martin)
Re: destination host unreachable (Steve Martin)
Re: RH7.1 Kernel compilation (Steve Martin)
Re: Linux on a Windows 2000 network (Steve Martin)
Re: Teleconomy ADSL con Suse 7.1 (Skolem da Firenze)
using pan: watches and downloads ("Felmon John Davis")
Re: Teleconomy ADSL con Suse 7.1 ("giuseppe")
Re: No keyboard on X (Dave Uhring)
Re: destination host unreachable ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: destination host unreachable ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: What is wrong with LILO??? ("David Anderson")
Re: Disk Druid -- What does "No Free Primary" mean? (Michael Perry)
Compiling glibc2.2.3 ("Brittle")
Re: RH7.1 Kernel compilation ("ne...")
Re: scsi card help? ("Ahmad Al-rasheedan")
Problem with Modular Technology external modem ("Phil Latio")
Re: HowTo: Install Linux on Laptop (Ian Northeast)
Re: linux install laptop (Ian Northeast)
txqueuelen for ppp0, how to increase ("Gene Heskett")
LinkSYS LNE100 TX (V4) ("" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Re: What is wrong with LILO??? ("Andy Walker")
Re: LinkSYS LNE100 TX (V4) (Joel Comeaux)
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Date: 20 May 2001 5:43:7 -0500
From: "Gene Heskett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH7.1 Kernel compilation
Gene Heskett sends Greetings to Juergen Heisel;
JH> After I installed my Red Hat 7.1, i try to compile my own kernel.
JH> But it doesnT compile. Several errors at different places. When
JH> I compile it on my RH 7.0 PC it works fine. Any hints ? changing
JH> the line from gcc into kgc doesnt resolve the problem....
JH> Juergen
Either change the Makefile so CC=kgcc, or better yet, get from the
rawhide branch on redhat, the whole gcc-2.96-84 (or higher -number) koit
and kaboodle, this includes ANYTHING there with that same revision
number in its name.
It will make slightly bigger, faster code than kgcc. And spit out fewer
errors, but more important ones if there are any. Later code, like
2.4.4-ac11, and later versions of gcc are remarkably silent warnings
wise. The code is getting better, and so is the compiler, I've built 6
kernels with it in the last 18 hours checking for option effects.
Cheers, Gene
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From: Stuart Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: prevent chane of resolv.conf
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:16:14 +0200
David wrote:
> Eric Chow wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Would you please to tell me how to prevent changing of the resolv.conf ?
> >
> > After I dial-up to the ISP, the /etc/resolv.conf always change. How to
> > prevent this ?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Eric
>
> Add this to /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ppp0 just below the
> "PAPNAME=" line like this.
>
> PAPNAME=ISP_username_goes_here
> PEERDNS=no
>
> Then you can also protect it from being changed with "chattr +i"
>
> chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf /etc/ppp/resolv.conf
I was given advice to also add RESOLV_MODS="no" to the script noted above (as
well as the PEERDNS you mentioned). Didn't have to add the PAPNAME line, and
didn't have to do the chattr command, and it works no problem.
Stu.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tiikuli)
Subject: Re: destination host unreachable
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:14:35 GMT
On Sat, 19 May 2001 18:33:15 +0200, "Peter T. Breuer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ISA NICs are practically unavailable,
Odd... I have three 3c509 ISAs.
---tiikuli
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From: Steve Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What is wrong with LILO???
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 03:37:11 -0400
Glitch wrote:
> Never has meant that for me. U can switch between CHS or LBA with no
> major change to a drive, or even any damage.. But set the mode to either
> LBA or AUTO and repartiion your drive so that /boot is below 1024th
> cylinder. THis will help things along.
On the contrary, it has been my experience that changing the BIOS
settings from CHS to LBA has in fact resulted in a non-readable
hard disk until I repartitioned and re-formatted. YMMV.
Beware.
If one really wanted to try this, I'd suggest doing it on a
non-production machine first, or else back up *everything*
before you start.
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From: Steve Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: destination host unreachable
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 03:38:50 -0400
"M. Buchenrieder" wrote:
> >and an ISA IRQ practically always. ISA NICs are
> >practically unavailable,
I can buy 'em all day long at the Office Depot down
the street.
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From: Steve Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RH7.1 Kernel compilation
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 03:42:44 -0400
Dave Uhring wrote:
> The "other" compiler, gcc-2.96, is too buggy to be used for building a
> stable system. If you want to debug that thing you are more than welcome
> to do so. My concern was building the alsa-drivers and I am not about to
> futz around with changing env CC=whatever, and I do not believe that other
> people should have to fight that battle, either.
I am in agreement with you about the non-suitability of 2.96, and have
posted info from the gcc site about how it wasn't supposed to be used
in any software distros; I got flamed over it, so I don't fight that
fight any more. Yes, Red Hat IMHO made a blunder bundling it with
its 7.0-and-above distros. One of the main reasons I'm still running
6.2, with suitable individual upgrades.
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From: Steve Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux on a Windows 2000 network
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 03:45:54 -0400
Uncle Junior wrote:
>
> You didn't mention whether you were trying to ping with hostname or IP
> address.
>
> If you can ping 127.0.0.1 then the protocol is installed correctly. Your
> problem would then be resolving names.
>
> You could try adding the names of the Windows machines with their IP
> addresses to the /etc/hosts file.
> Thats an easy solution for a small network.
You might also want to check your routing tables to see if you
in fact have a route set up to your 192.168.1 network from the
Linux box... if it thinks it can't reach that network, it'll
give an error message. BTW, you didn't indicate if there are
any error messages listed on either machine.
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From: Skolem da Firenze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
it.comp.os.linux.development,it.comp.os.linux.iniziare,it.comp.os.linux.software,it.comp.os.linux.sys,italia.jesi.linux,tin.it.computer.pc.linux
Subject: Re: Teleconomy ADSL con Suse 7.1
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:01:37 GMT
Ciao !!!
In it.comp.os.linux.development giuseppe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> io e gia 10 giorni che ci sbatto la testa ,teniamoci in contatto , forse
> riusciremo ??????
> non riesco a installare rpppoe....... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Che errore ti da???!!!!???
E' troppo semplice ... :)))))
--
Skolem - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.mascanc.org/~skolem
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From: "Felmon John Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: using pan: watches and downloads
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:15:24 GMT
Greets!
Trying to get friendly with Pan as a newsreader but I confused.
I can set some threads to being 'watched' but it doesn't seem like their
'bodies' are being downloaded.
What's the point of 'watch' if it doesn't fetch the 'watched' articles?
More importantly, how can I configure Pan so that it will suck in threads
I've marked without my having to do it manually?
The 'manual' doesn't yet seem to be on-line.
Thanks!
F.
========================================================
Felmon John Davis
Union College / Schenectady, NY
os/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack
========================================================
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From: "giuseppe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
it.comp.os.linux.development,it.comp.os.linux.iniziare,it.comp.os.linux.software,it.comp.os.linux.sys,italia.jesi.linux,tin.it.computer.pc.linux
Subject: Re: Teleconomy ADSL con Suse 7.1
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:24:26 GMT
non rieesco ad instarlarlo,ecco quello che o trovato in rete
Poich� con i modem ADSL versione ethernet non sono necessari i driver, la
configurazione risulta abbastanza semplice. Il tutto si risolve nello
scaricare l'rp-pppoe e seguire i file README e HOW-TO CONNECT. Per comodit�
riporto i passi fondamentali:
Supponendo di avere almeno una scheda di rete (eth0) riconosciuta dal
kernel, si dovr� attivarla con il comando
# ifconfig eth0 up.
Non assegnare un indirizzo IP alla scheda. Per vedere se la scheda � attiva
digita # ifconfig eth0 comparir� a video una serie di informazioni tipo
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:67:62:31:D4 ...
scompatta il sorgete tar.gz e digita
# ./go
all'interno della dir rp-pppoe/.
Se tutto � a posto lo script dovrebbe compilare e installare il software.
Prima di connettersi lanciare il setup
# adsl-setup
e seguire le istruzioni a video. In particolare verranno chieste le
informazioni necessarie per la connessione (login, password, DNS) e per il
setup del firewall. Scegliendo l'opzione 2 (Masquerading) � possbile avere
una configurazione molto sicura del firewall in automatico, anche se
personalmente preferisco farlo a mano. Eseguita la configurazione si pu� gi�
provare la connessione:
# adsl-start
In capo a poche frazioni di secondo dovresti vedere la scritta "Connected!".
non capisco dove scrivere tipo : # adsl-setup
"Skolem da Firenze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:9e8be3$6ce$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ciao !!!
>
> In it.comp.os.linux.development giuseppe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > io e gia 10 giorni che ci sbatto la testa ,teniamoci in contatto , forse
> > riusciremo ??????
> > non riesco a installare rpppoe....... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Che errore ti da???!!!!???
>
> E' troppo semplice ... :)))))
>
> --
> Skolem - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> http://www.mascanc.org/~skolem
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From: Dave Uhring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No keyboard on X
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 07:54:12 -0500
Lawrence A. Guirre wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am running X4.03 on kernel 2.4.3 for thin clients.
> My hardware is an intel i810 and using the package
> from LTSP (linux terminal server project) on RHL 7.0
> My problem is that when I start xwindows, i could get
> the mouse working and the display is ok, but the keyboard
> freezes up. The system is still up since I can logout of the
> xsession and inspect the Xfree86.0.log file. The error
> that I can see from there is
> "Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap"
>
> Any help is much appreciated!
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Lawrence
>
If you are using Red Hat or similar system with SysV startup scripts be
sure that /etc/rc.d/init.d/keytable is being started on boot up.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: destination host unreachable
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 15:18:15 +0200
Tiikuli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 May 2001 18:33:15 +0200, "Peter T. Breuer"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> ISA NICs are practically unavailable,
> Odd... I have three 3c509 ISAs.
C'mon, c'mon folks. I have dozens. Now go into a shop and buy one.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: destination host unreachable
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 15:17:35 +0200
M. Buchenrieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>and an ISA IRQ practically always. ISA NICs are
>>practically unavailable,
> [...]
> Huh? Please don't try to tell this to the pile of NICs laying
> around on my shelves...
> :-)
Are you selling them? (yes, I saw the smiley). I don't mind 3c509's at
all! But none of my recent machines have an isa slot. Anyone got a
pci-to-isa riser?
Peter
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From: "David Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is wrong with LILO???
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 15:37:46 +0200
Reply-To: "David Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Never has meant that for me. U can switch between CHS or LBA with no
> > major change to a drive, or even any damage.. But set the mode to either
> > LBA or AUTO and repartiion your drive so that /boot is below 1024th
> > cylinder. THis will help things along.
>
> On the contrary, it has been my experience that changing the BIOS
> settings from CHS to LBA has in fact resulted in a non-readable
> hard disk until I repartitioned and re-formatted. YMMV.
> Beware.
>
> If one really wanted to try this, I'd suggest doing it on a
> non-production machine first, or else back up *everything*
> before you start.
I beleive that now there is a new version of lilo available that supports
LBA mode, so you can boot partitions beyond the 1024 cylinder limit.
David Anderson
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry)
Subject: Re: Disk Druid -- What does "No Free Primary" mean?
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 14:07:16 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 18 May 2001 00:30:04 -0000, Aaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Michael Perry wrote:
>> How many primary partitions does the disk already have? Any assigned to
>> other operating systems? How about printing out the organization of your
>> hard disk drive for all to see here?
>>
>> --
>> Michael Perry
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> ------------------
> Here's how it's all set up, I have one primary DOS partition that is about
> 21 gigs and it is dedicated to Windows. Then I have and extended DOS
> partition. I hope that helps.
> Aaron Cardona
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
As others have pointed out, try using something other than disk druid. I
have seen disk druid create partitions that Linux could not boot off of and
cheerfully write them. Best thing to observe the hard disk and what linux
sees is a simple console tool like fdisk or cfdisk. Remember the 4 primary
partition rule per disk.
--
Michael Perry
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
====================
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From: "Brittle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Compiling glibc2.2.3
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:06:25 +0800
Hi,
I got a problem when installing glibc 2.2.3
setup:
RedHat Linux 7.1 + Gnome on x86
gcc-2.96-81, binutils-2.10.91.0.2-3, make-3.79.1-5, glibc-2.2.2-10
Kernel 2.4.4
steps:
1. gunzip glibc and linuxthreads
2. make realclean
3. ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-elf --with-headers=/usr/src/linux/include
--enable-shared --enable-add-ons --with-gd-include=/usr/include
--with-gd-lib=/usr/lib --with-elf --enable-kernel=2.4.4
4. make (without error)
5. make check (without error)
6. make install (report error)
error message:
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/../../../libnss_compat.so: undefined reference
to `__niserr2nss_tab'
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/../../../libnss_compat.so: undefined reference
to `__niserr2nss_count'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
Execution of gcc failed!
The script has found some problems with your installation!
Please read the FAQ and the README file and check the following:
- Did you change the gcc specs file (necessary after upgrading from
Linux libc5)?
- Are there any symbolic links of the form libXXX.so to old libraries?
Links like libm.so -> libm.so.5 (where libm.so.5 is an old library) are wrong,
libm.so should point to the newly installed glibc file - and there should be
only one such link (check e.g. /lib and /usr/lib)
You should restart this script from your build directory after you've
fixed all problems!
Btw. the script doesn't work if you're installing GNU libc not as your
primary library!
make: *** [install] Error 1
Should I modify gcc specs or I should add/reduce para in config? Please
help me
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From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH7.1 Kernel compilation
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 14:39:38 GMT
On May 20, 2001 at 03:07, Juergen Heisel eloquently wrote:
>
>After I installed my Red Hat 7.1, i try to compile my own kernel. But it
>doesnT compile. Several errors at different places. When I compile it on
>my RH 7.0 PC it works fine. Any hints ? changing the line from gcc into
>kgc doesnt resolve the problem....
To aktually help you we need to know exactly what the
error are that you got and also what you use to configure
the kernel ie make config|xconfig|oldconfig|menuconfig.
Please disregard what the other posters have said about
changing gcc to kgcc. This is not necessary. I have compiled
and used many 2.4.x kernels with gcc-2.96 and have had
zero problems with this. As a matter of fact, I now have a
machine with XFS from CVS compiled with gcc-2.96 and it
works fine.
--
Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org)
trawl v.
To sift through large volumes of data (e.g.,
Usenet postings, FTP archives, or the Jargon File) looking for
something of interest.
10:35am up 10:46, 5 users, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00
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From: "Ahmad Al-rasheedan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: scsi card help?
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 05:27:57 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Unknown"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> does anyone know anything about adaptec's 1535 scsi card? is it
> supported by linux? adaptec itself does not even have any info on it
> other than it was mfg for another company ( i am thinking compact ).
> anyway i have been looking for any info but have not found any myself.
> any help is appreciated. thanks
>
Looking at www.linux.com and the supported SCSI controllers, there was no
mention of the controller being supported.
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From: "Phil Latio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.dial-up
Subject: Problem with Modular Technology external modem
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 15:54:24 +0100
This is probably me doing something wrong but I cannot get my Modem to do
anything other than light one LED "DTR" when I try and dial out.
It's an external modem made by Modular Technology 56K V90. Model 560 DTV and
anyone who is interested can see the specs on modem at:
http://www.modulartech.com/dtvprod1.htm
Is anyone else using this model succesfully under Redhat 6.0?
Cheers
Phil
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From: Ian Northeast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HowTo: Install Linux on Laptop
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 16:21:31 +0100
Uncle Junior wrote:
>
> I hate to be the bearer of bad news.
>
> You are very low on resources like memory and disk space.
>
> Linux will run on a 486, but you need more RAM and more disk space.
> Try to work on getting more memory first.
>
> With Linux you will need to create a Primary Linux and a Swap Partition on
> the disk to
> run it decently. 200 MB won't cut it.
Only with fat modern distros. Something a few years old ought to work
OK. I have SuSE 5.2 on a similar spec machine for instance. Do a minimal
install, without X to start with. You can always add things later.
Regards, Ian
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From: Ian Northeast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux install laptop
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 16:26:03 +0100
william wrote:
>
> I have corel linux 2nd edition cd. I can make a boot disk but when I
> boot, the word lilo comes up,then my screen fills up with a window and it
> says "loading corel linux" then under that it says "starting corel linux"
> and then it freezes, nothing,zilch,nada.
Corel can be a bit fussy about hardware. It's designed to be easy to
install but it achieves this by refraining from asking "difficult"
questions and making assumptions.
I suggest trying other distros e.g. Red Hat, Debian, SuSE or Mandrake.
Regards, Ian
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Date: 20 May 2001 11:15:31 -0500
From: "Gene Heskett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: txqueuelen for ppp0, how to increase
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Hi all;
I *think* I may have an idea that would improve my demand-dialing, and
it inability to find the first address it was asked for.
How can I make the default txqueuelen in the ifconfig report for ppp0
different from its default of 3?
Cheers, Gene
--
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email gene underscore heskett at iolinc dot net
#Amiga based X10 home automation program EZHome, see at:#
<http://www.iolinc.net/gene_heskett>
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is � 2001 by Gene Heskett, all rights reserved. Due to recent
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From: "<Debian User>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LinkSYS LNE100 TX (V4)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:42:52 -0400
I have a LinkSYS LNE100 TX (V4) card, and on the box it says (100% Linux
Compatable). I still did not get it working in Linux yet! In windows it
works fine. What seems to be the problem? Do I need to do something to it?
Thankyou
BTW (REDHAT 7.0)
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From: "Andy Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is wrong with LILO???
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 16:40:40 -0000
David Anderson wrote in message <9e8iqp$542$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I beleive that now there is a new version of lilo available that supports
>LBA mode, so you can boot partitions beyond the 1024 cylinder limit.
>
>David Anderson
>
>
LILO does support >1024 cylinders but the old PC motherboards do not.
I've found the best method on old machines is to use an old hard disk (it
doesn't have to be more than a few meg's) plugged in as a slave and set up
as a /boot partition. The advantages of this is that you can use ReiserFS,
non-bios SCSI cards and software RAID. You can also leave a few meg's free
for a swap partition, it cuts down on head thrashing when you run low on
memory.
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From: Joel Comeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LinkSYS LNE100 TX (V4)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:18:26 -0500
" wrote:
> I have a LinkSYS LNE100 TX (V4) card, and on the box it says (100% Linux
> Compatable). I still did not get it working in Linux yet! In windows it
> works fine. What seems to be the problem? Do I need to do something to it?
>
> Thankyou
> BTW (REDHAT 7.0)
>
>
>
>
Well - I've got the linksys lne100tx as well - not sure which version. It
uses the 'tulip' driver. Try "modprobe tulip" - I'm remoted into my
machine and the connection is slow, so can't really step through the entire
network setup process. As long as the tulip driver is either compiled into
the kernel or loaded as a module, the your card will work - network setup
is an entirely different thing - and a thing that should be posted to
comp.os.linux.networking?
Let me know how it turns out or if you need more help.
Joel Comeaux
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