Linux-Setup Digest #339, Volume #21 Thu, 31 May 01 03:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Apache question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Please help me get WIN98 back!! ("arthur")
"GET LINUX" contest (Tom E Novotney)
Monitor error ("EC932")
Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2 (KCmaniac)
Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2 (KCmaniac)
PARIDE ("H. van Niekerk")
Re: Login Problems on Red Hat 7.1 Install (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2 ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2 ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2 ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2 (KCmaniac)
Re: Dual Boot Win2K and Linux (Irving Ian Liaw)
Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2 ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2 (KCmaniac)
Re: advice (Huw Lynes)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,redhat.config,redhat.networking.general,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Apache question
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 04:21:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lamar Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am running RH 7.1 and I have FTP and Apache web servers working.
>However, after rebooting my Linux box no one can connect to my Apache
>web server until I issue the following command: # "service httpd
>restart".
>
>Anyone know how I can make Apache auto start after a reboot? Thanks for
>any and all help.
>
>
>Lamar
>
If I remember correctly, I had to add apache to the starting runlevels.
Look at how to add it to start at the runlevels you want.
Activate it using the ntsysv command. Make sure the httpd is selected to start.
Howard
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From: "arthur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Please help me get WIN98 back!!
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:25:00 -0700
In article <d3jR6.12921$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Edward Ned
Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe stable, maybe not. You just don't know.
>
> Special note:
>
> fdisk /mbr doesn't make a drive bootable; it zeros the mbr. You were on
> the right track, trying to rewrite the mbr with win98, but you just
> tried the wrong command.
>
> gl & hf.
>
DOS fdisk /mbr rewrites the master boot record only -- it does not touch the
partition table, it does not "zero" anything.
Arthur
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Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:33:43 -0400
From: Tom E Novotney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: "GET LINUX" contest
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From: "EC932" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Monitor error
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 05:09:30 GMT
i got mandrake installed, during
installation, when chosing monitor, i
picked high frequency, but when i boot
up my monitor goes on stand by
and
all my lights flashes. how can i change
my monitor setting so i can
finnaly get into linux. TK
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From: KCmaniac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:20:50 -0400
>
> >>?? You have to _get_ the new kernel-image first. That's what apt-get
> >>does for you automatically. You are using the wrong tools. The command
> >>is:
>
Automatically?? Where does it automatically GET it from?? Out of thin air?? You are
being
very thin on information just like the documentation. Where do I GET it from?
>
> > apt-get update
> > apt-get upgrade
>
> >>in that order. You don't "get a .deb" and then use dpkg on it!
>
Look, man, I am just following instructions. What more am I supposed to do? I'm
doing my
part. I'm following instructions. You go to the linmodem.org site and tell me where
the
apt-get commands are mentioned anywhere! It says to run dpkg on it!!! Without
knowing just
what apt-get?? is I guess that is more reading and trial and error I have to do.
Nowhere in
the documentation says that I need to download another kernal and configure and
compile it to
get this whole thing working!
>
> >Either your mind is weaker than you think it is, or you are having a
> >bad day. You seem to have some remarkably inflexible ideas, and seem not
> >to realize that they're wrong :). It's quite amusing from here!
Inflexible??!! If anything I have been very persistent and patient. It would be
interesting
for you to have been sitting by my side all this time, knowing what I know, however
limited,
reading what I have read, however much, and doing all what I have done. It would be
interesting to see if YOU could have made this work.
Man, you must have written the documentation. You know what you are doing,
apparently, but
can't convey that to someone who doesn't. Where in there says I am inflexible when the
documentation is not complete or vague??? Am I supposed to read between the lines?
Which
lines do I read inbetween? How am I supposed to know?? That is why I come here. To
amuse
you. I follow instructions. If the instructions are correct, I win. If they are not
I lose.
Documentation can be the source of all evil or the gateway to heaven. In this case
... well, I
have been following instructions to the letter. To me the documentation and lack of
information is amusing. But what do I want for nothing.
Another thing, in one response you said:
>I don't know where you get the concept of a "basic system" from! What
>your debian system contains is exactly what you choose to put in it, no
>more and no less!
Then after I explained to you what the debian install process was for me you said:
>You are misunderstanding the word "basic". That means "minimal". Once
>the basic system is installed, you then have to go on and add
>everything you want!
What do YOU mean by "basic" system??? LOL!! That is just what I was saying to you
before you
accused me of misunderstanding the concept of "basic". Now you are saying the exact
same thing
I was saying to you! I guess it is OK for you to use the word "basic" but not for me.
Then you said later in the same response:
>and all you've done is install a minimal 40MB or so of basic
>system. You've got another 2GB to come!
You used both the words "minimal" AND "basic" in that sentence! These are exactly the
words I
used to explain the install process I went through, but I guess I have a
misunderstanding of
"basic". I find that amusing. So now you must believe me when I say minicom is not
available
with the system I have now. You doubted me before.
What is strange here is that when I look at /proc/pci the file includes the Lucent
Microsystems
WinModem and stipulating the correct IRQ and IO ports. Just what the same RH file is
showing.
This "basic/minimal/near 2.2.19" kernal (or whatever words it is ok for YOU to use)
compiled
for ide and pci apparently is seeing the modem through what? a driver for the modem?
It must
be, considering the IRQ and IO port assignment for this card is software controlled on
top of
it being a PnP peripheral and this is before I even use insmod to install the driver.
I am
thinking this kernal IS installed with the driver already. How else would /proc/pci
know about
it? So armed with this information, can you tell me why isn't this kernal is not
associating
the modem with a device like the kernal(2.2.14) I am using with my RH system is?
I am still appreciating your input as I am beginning to have fun with this
correspondance.
:-) even though you are finding my "misunderstaning" amusing :-(
RLH
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From: KCmaniac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:36:46 -0400
Peter, I just went to the linmodem.org site and saw, unlike I didn't see before
because I really
didn't know exactly that this kernal I have now was "pre17", that there is a driver I
can download
for this "pre17" kernal. I shall try it. But I again reiderate that the site says
"To install the
package on your computer use dpkg -i filename" !! So you are saying this is
incorrect??
If not, then does this mean that after running dpkg then suddenly the modem will be
ttyS14? OR
will the kernal use this "package" on the next reboot so that it will "associate" the
modem with
the ttyS14 device?? Or am I supposed to re-compile the kernal? Being the pessimist
that I am,
considering the all fighting I have been doing with this whole thing, I have a feeling
this still
is not going to allow me to use the modem, with this kernal anyway. Besides, with
this "basic"
system I have now, can I even re-compile a kernal? Questions for ME that make me go
hmmmm.
RLH
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From: "H. van Niekerk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.redhat,redhat.config
Subject: PARIDE
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:03:35 +0200
Hi,
I want to use 'insmod paride' but get these messages:
unresolved symbol parport_enumerate
unresolved symbol parport_claim
unresolved symbol parport_register_device
unresolved symbol parport_unregister_device
unresolved symbol parport_release
What does this mean and how do I solve it...
Thanks
Huub
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Login Problems on Red Hat 7.1 Install
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 05:36:38 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Squirrel Police) writes:
[...]
>--> Modem initialized.
>--> Sending: ATDT 225-8888
>CONNECT 49333/ARQ/V90/LAPM/V42BIS
>--> Carrier detected. Waiting for report.
>Returning not ok!!
>--> Disconnecting at Wed May 30 11:54:12 2001
[...]
Well, that's not quite a terrifically verbous logfile.
Try dialing out with some sort of terminal program
like minicom, and see what it is that the ISP sends and
expects.
>From the above, it looks as if at least the modem negotiation
had been successfully completed; then it is up to
the ISP to start a login procedure, which obviously never
happens.
Michael
--
Michael Buchenrieder * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.muc.de/~mibu
Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
Note: If you want me to send you email, don't munge your address.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:41:27 +0200
KCmaniac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >>?? You have to _get_ the new kernel-image first. That's what apt-get
>> >>does for you automatically. You are using the wrong tools. The command
>> >>is:
> Automatically?? Where does it automatically GET it from?? Out of thin air?? You
>are being
>From the install medium you configured. "Out of thin air" if you used the
default, which is the central US debian archives.
> very thin on information just like the documentation. Where do I GET it from?
You don't care. "Thin air", if you like to put it that way.
>> > apt-get update
>> > apt-get upgrade
>> >>in that order. You don't "get a .deb" and then use dpkg on it!
> Look, man, I am just following instructions. What more am I supposed to do? I'm
>doing my
Read.
Plonk (sorry, my patience just evaporated).
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:49:38 +0200
OK, let's take a deep breath, and use up another couple of ounces of
that patience stufff ...
KCmaniac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Look, man, I am just following instructions. What more am I supposed to do? I'm
>doing my
> part. I'm following instructions. You go to the linmodem.org site and tell me
>where the
Well, "go jump in a lake"! There, you didn't do that! You don't just
follow arbitrary instructions, do you? No. Why not? Because some of
them are just not appropriate. You may not feel like going swimming
right now, for example.
> apt-get commands are mentioned anywhere! It says to run dpkg on it!!! Without
>knowing just
Well, don't believe them! That would work, in the sense that it would
do what dpkg is supposed to do, but it is not what you want to do. Dpkg
would tell you that it can't install the thing, because you don't have
the right setup for it to install itself in. And it's quite right. But
you don't want to be told that. You want to install the thing.
So you conclude that the .deb is not for you.
Get the .tgz (or .tar-gz) and compile it. Or get the src -deb and build
a package for you from that, with dpkg-build (or whatever it is .. I always
do "make debian/rules binary").
> what apt-get?? is I guess that is more reading and trial and error I have to do.
>Nowhere in
apt-get is the package manager for your distro. Use it.
It uses dpkg as its archiver. dpkg is responsible for maintaining unit
records in the package databse. apt-get is responsible for higher level
operations.
> the documentation says that I need to download another kernal and configure and
>compile it to
> get this whole thing working!
Well of course you do, if you want to do the mistaken thing that you
don't want to do at all. My advice to you is to stop doing it :-)
Get the .tar.gz and compile it. And don't run before you can walk.
Install the rest of your distro first!
Breakfast time.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:02:01 +0200
KCmaniac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter, I just went to the linmodem.org site and saw, unlike I didn't see before
>because I really
> didn't know exactly that this kernal I have now was "pre17", that there is a driver
>I can download
> for this "pre17" kernal. I shall try it. But I again reiderate that the site says
>"To install the
> package on your computer use dpkg -i filename" !! So you are saying this is
>incorrect??
NO, I am saying that this may tell you that your system is not ready
for the installation, which you may not like as a message. (Apparently
you whine to usenet when you get told that). Yes, the package
aimed at a 19-pre17 kernel will likely install without demurr, as you
do have a 19-pre17 installed.
> If not, then does this mean that after running dpkg then suddenly the modem will be
>ttyS14? OR
After running dpkg _with success_, the package will be installed and
configured. I.e. the binaries will be in place and adjustments will
have been made to your system. The nature and degree of those
adjustments is up to the packager. If I were he, I would make
the package ask you several questions during the install that
would lead to the modem being configured as your default modem device.
If dpkg tells you that you have unmet dependencies (or met
anti-dependencies :-), then you will have to resolve them yourself,
or at least do enough that apt-get can finish the job for you, given
your initial impetus.
> will the kernal use this "package" on the next reboot so that it will "associate"
>the modem with
> the ttyS14 device?? Or am I supposed to re-compile the kernal? Being the pessimist
>that I am,
I have no way of knowing what it will do. Suck it and see - react
accordingly.
> considering the all fighting I have been doing with this whole thing, I have a
>feeling this still
> is not going to allow me to use the modem, with this kernal anyway. Besides, with
>this "basic"
> system I have now, can I even re-compile a kernal? Questions for ME that make me go
>hmmmm.
Not until you have installed compilers, support tools, source code ...
the source code for a modern kernel occupies on the order of 100MB.
You would know if you had put it on your system.
Peter
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From: KCmaniac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 02:20:36 -0400
Well, while I am on a roll here and while I have you attention, I think, I have
another question for
you.
You mentioned earlier about getting "practice" re-compiling kernals. I have had a
little practice(3 or
4 times). My question to you is:
after compiling using the make bzimage command, if the file comes out over 640K, is it
usable? If not
then why doesn't the make bzimage command tell you that the image is still too big? I
re-compiled
2.2.14 on my RH system recently because I changed a couple of configuration items.
The bzimage
balloned to over 640K. I moved it to /boot and did everything else necessary and
re-booted. The "new"
kernal was doing some very funny/strange things that, without going into detail about
what those were,
I ended up just deleting that kernal and reverted back to the previous one which
is/was working ok as
far as I know ok as being. All I did was to change a couple of items, re-compile,
before bizzare
things started happening. In other words, the re-compilation failed as far as I am
concerned. Why? I
did everything by the book. Could it be because the image was larger than 640K?? If
so, why didn't
bzimage warn me because it didn't?. I also tried to upgrade to 2.2.19 with this
system and it was also
unsuccessful. The display changed in a negative fashion among other things that were
bizarre. I
deleted it.
Another thing, the reason I changed a couple of configuration items to 2.2.14 in the
first place was
because I was not being able to get IP_Masquerading to work. After all the reading I
did I concluded I
needed to try this. Well, afterwards I still could not ping an IP address outside my
LAN from a host
PC. I could ping from the gateway but not from a host so IP_Masquerading must not be
working, right?
I did everything in accordance with the documentation.
This is what I have been talking about. Following instructions to the letter but 3
out of every 4
times I am not finding any success without a huge fight. This system is very
cumbersome, however
versitle and configurable. I question all the time I have put into it, yet getting so
far, little out
of it and all along the system keeps changing and changing and changing with, it
seems, not enough
priority to backward compatibility. What's a mother to do?
RLH
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Irving Ian Liaw)
Subject: Re: Dual Boot Win2K and Linux
Date: 30 May 2001 23:29:05 -0700
Thanks for the link. However, I think you missed out on the key point
I made :
I'd like to install Win2K over my present Win98SE without affecting me
Linux. Usually Linux is like the 2nd OS on the System not the one
already present. So any idea how do I go about doing it now? Part of
the reason is that I don't want to have to reinstall and reconfig
everything!
Thanks,
irVIng
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:16:42 +0200
KCmaniac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Inflexible??!! If anything I have been very persistent and patient. It would be
>interesting
> for you to have been sitting by my side all this time, knowing what I know, however
>limited,
When I installed debian for the first time, it took me three days. On
the first day I reverse engineered the package format, and installed
enough of a basic system to begin the bootstrap. It took me two days
to perfect the base installation (by extracting and running the
configure scripts by hand) to the point that I could locate the package
with the man pages in (groff?) and find out how I should have done it.
On the third day I set up a local ftp mirror of the debian archives
and finished the job by installing the remaining GB of software that I
wanted from it (I was fed up with guessing how to resolve the
dependencies).
> reading what I have read, however much, and doing all what I have done. It would be
> interesting to see if YOU could have made this work.
Oh, I assure you, I could have.
> lines do I read inbetween? How am I supposed to know?? That is why I come here.
>To amuse
> you. I follow instructions. If the instructions are correct, I win. If they are
>not I lose.
At some point, an intelligent person tosses the instructions on the
heap, and uses their own eyes and ears and mental capacities.
Documentation does not keep up with data, and may never have been
correct. People who know how do not read the docs, so the docs never
get checked by people who know how. Try writing some instructioins for
something you know how to do, and revisit them in a years time, or give
them to your nephew to follow! Then you'll find out what the problem
is!
>>I don't know where you get the concept of a "basic system" from! What
>>your debian system contains is exactly what you choose to put in it, no
>>more and no less!
The english language is context sensitive. When I said "basic system"
above, I was referring to your use of it, and I was telling you that
the word means precisely nothing, because it means whatever you want it
to mean. Your system is what you put into it. Debian used the term to
mean a "base" system, one that is minimal. The starting point for a
bootstrap.
> Then after I explained to you what the debian install process was for me you said:
>>You are misunderstanding the word "basic". That means "minimal". Once
As used by debian.
>>the basic system is installed, you then have to go on and add
>>everything you want!
> What do YOU mean by "basic" system??? LOL!! That is just what I was saying to you
>before you
I mean nothing by it.
> accused me of misunderstanding the concept of "basic". Now you are saying the exact
>same thing
> I was saying to you! I guess it is OK for you to use the word "basic" but not for
>me.
> Then you said later in the same response:
>>and all you've done is install a minimal 40MB or so of basic
>>system. You've got another 2GB to come!
> You used both the words "minimal" AND "basic" in that sentence! These are exactly
>the words I
I was emphasizing to you the meaning of the word as YOU used it.
> used to explain the install process I went through, but I guess I have a
>misunderstanding of
> "basic". I find that amusing. So now you must believe me when I say minicom is not
>available
> with the system I have now. You doubted me before.
It certainly IS available. Try
apt-get install minicom
> What is strange here is that when I look at /proc/pci the file includes the Lucent
>Microsystems
> WinModem and stipulating the correct IRQ and IO ports. Just what the same RH file
>is showing.
This is not strange. The PCI bus reports all the devices on it.
> This "basic/minimal/near 2.2.19" kernal (or whatever words it is ok for YOU to use)
>compiled
For YOU, you mean.
> for ide and pci apparently is seeing the modem through what? a driver for the modem?
> It must
You can put as many devices as you like on the bus, and the bus will
report them. Nevertheless, without a driver for them, they will remain
useless to you.
> be, considering the IRQ and IO port assignment for this card is software controlled
>on top of
> it being a PnP peripheral and this is before I even use insmod to install the
>driver. I am
No, PnP is for ISA devices. You have a PCI device.
> thinking this kernal IS installed with the driver already. How else would /proc/pci
>know about
> it? So armed with this information, can you tell me why isn't this kernal is not
>associating
> the modem with a device like the kernal(2.2.14) I am using with my RH system is?
I don't need the information. The fact is that you haven't installed a
driver for the losemodem. It could hardly be otherwise, since debian
is a gnu-centric distro, and winmodem source codes are not part of the
linux kernel source code and are not GPL.
Peter
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From: KCmaniac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help, I'm trying to find COM2
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 02:54:53 -0400
>
> NO, I am saying that this may tell you that your system is not ready
> for the installation,
This is my point! Why isn't it ready? Where I am at with this system is where the
installation program
left me. So if it isn't ready then this program must be shotty. What other
conclusion is there?
Obviously one has to take matters in one's own hands and find a way out themselves. I
suppose this is
only natural because if this system were not free then it certainly would tank.
Unlike you must think of
me, I am a fighter and I am willing to exasperate my options. But there comes a point
to where I have to
say enough is enough. I haven't reach it yet, but getting close.
>
> If dpkg tells you that you have unmet dependencies (or met
> anti-dependencies :-), then you will have to resolve them yourself,
> or at least do enough that apt-get can finish the job for you, given
> your initial impetus.
>
Well, considering I apparently have got now the correct driver for this kernal, I
should have no
independencies, right? If I do, then it certainly wasn't caused by anything I did. I
am a pawn here,
just trying to get to the final rank, but depending on my Queen and Rooks to get me
there.
>
> I have no way of knowing what it will do. Suck it and see - react
> accordingly.
>
just what I have been doing all along...
>
> Not until you have installed compilers, support tools, source code ...
> the source code for a modern kernel occupies on the order of 100MB.
> You would know if you had put it on your system.
>
I didn't put anything on my system ... the install program did. You don't seem to
grasp that. Obviously
you know a hell of a lot more than I do. You are comfortable with the compilation
software to the point
that you can make the system do more of what you want it to do than I can but you seem
to think that I
should be able to. You evidently are able to overcome the shortcomings that present
themselves to newer
users. such as me, while at the same time lamb-basting me as a
"whiner/quitter/loser/whatever else you
think I am". I don't know how you came to know what you do but you seem to have
forgotten what it is
like to be new to this.
Anyway, I am going to try and dpkg this most recent modem driver and that is about all
I know that I can
do. If it doesn't work, then it sounds like you are suggesting that I import a new
kernal, somehow. If
you are willing to help me, I am willing to try and piece by piece make this system
work, because it
sounds like that is what it is going to take or am I misunderstanding that, as well?
So much for a
smooth install, huh? Then again nothing worthwhile comes without a price, right?
RLH
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Huw Lynes)
Subject: Re: advice
Date: 31 May 2001 07:01:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In the Sinclair era I used to do a little programming but all that seemed to
>
Well there is an emmbarasment of riches under linux. The choice of language
really depends on what you want to get done and what language you are
coming from. If you look under 'development' in the redhat package listing
you will find compilers/interpreters for every language you could possibly
want.
Basically it splits into interpreted scripting languages like Perl and
Python (with Python being my personal favorite it makes a great language
for a beginner). These over very fast development and have vast numbers of
libraries so have the functionality for anything you might want. Although
they are a bit slow if you want to run high-resolution simulations of
galaxies colliding or something :)
Then there are all the usual compiled languages like C/C++ if you
need the speed or the low-level hardware control.
Like I said it all depends where your coming from and what you want to
do. Although my personal vote goes to Python every time.
>Pine and I do have the RH dialler up and running but how do I stitch them
>together if indeed that is the right route. My ISP is a POP3. Only want
>Usenet/email in text. Use only console. Regards
>
If the dialler works and you get a connection you have probably already
recieved an IP address. IIRC all you need is to put the IP address of your
ISP's Domain Name Server into /etc/resolv.conf and also to tell pine
the IP address of your ISP's email server. Check out the ISP-Hookup-HOWTO
at www.linuxdocs.org for a more complete account.
HTH
Huw
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