Thanks Kevin. Feeling more comfortable with AllWinner SoC, particularly the A80. 2015 will be an excellent year for Allwinner, I will include AW on my products and Engineer recommendations. Javqui
On Monday, November 24, 2014 1:13:22 AM UTC-5, RFat wrote: > > Alright, the manual of the A80 is OUT! > > (https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents) > > Thanks a lot Kevin! > > -R > > On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 4:39:06 AM UTC+3, Zhao Zhili wrote: >> >> You are right. China have suffer too much from idealism. Now they come to >> the other way. Don't say something too beautiful to them, they don't >> believe that and think you are a cheater. >> >> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 08:11:40AM -0700, jacky lau wrote: >> > I agree with you and Jhon Yi. Developing a soc is not too hard now, >> getting >> > customers is harder and more important. I hope the market will force >> all >> > China Soc company more open. But before that happen, I don't think they >> > will become more open. >> > They don't have experience in working with the open source community, >> if you want >> > them to be more open, you need to do more communicate with them. And >> > remember, to them, neither the law nor the spirit of free software, but >> making >> > money is paramount. Tell them they will get more customers, make more >> money >> > and prove it, then they will follow. >> > >> > 在 2014年10月11日星期六UTC+8下午10时53分48秒，Jon Smirl写道： >> > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:31 AM, jacky lau <[email protected] >> > > <javascript:>> wrote: >> > > > A big client will buy thousands of chips once. Are there any >> relation >> > > > between big client and user manual publishing? No. So they don't >> think >> > > it's >> > > > necessary to open their private property. When you are a big >> client, you >> > > are >> > > > VIP, all document and source code is open to you. And if publish >> all >> > > > technical documentation, competitors will know some technical >> secret >> > > (e.g. >> > > > bug;) they don't want them to know. >> > > > Open world is beautiful, but they will not actively participate if >> there >> > > is >> > > > no return. Why some China soc company publish some documents and >> source >> > > code >> > > > now? I think this is mainly for marketing. But no matter how, VIP >> > > priority. >> > > >> > > Right now Allwinner is only good for tablets and STBs because >> > > Allwinner supplies turnkey solutions. If documentation were more open >> > > other applications could be developed. If customer can't get software >> > > working for these other applications, they won't buy thousands of >> > > chips. So if Allwinner wants to survive past the end of the tablet >> fad >> > > they have to start developing these other markets. Otherwise when the >> > > tablet fad is over it will be the end of Allwinner. >> > > >> > > You also over estimate the value of "technical secrets". What is the >> > > point of putting a secret h.264 encode/decode unit on the chip if >> half >> > > of your customers can't get it working? Obviously Rockchip knows how >> > > to make h.264 encode/decode since they have a similar unit on their >> > > chip. And so does Freescale, TI, ST, etc. -- there is no big secret >> in >> > > making h.264 hardware for people familiar with how to do it (hint, it >> > > is an ISO standard). So by keeping the documentation secret you hide >> > > nothing significant from your competitors and much, much worse -- you >> > > keep your own customers from using the hardware they bought. Think >> > > about it --- which is more important - hiding something form a >> > > competitor that they probably already know, or getting your customers >> > > to ship and buy more chips? >> > > >> > > Bottom line - which one brings cash in the door - secret >> documentation >> > > or getting as many customers as possible to ship? >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > 在 2014年10月6日星期一UTC+8下午8时55分30秒，RFat写道： >> > > >> >> > > >> Hi Kevin, >> > > >> >> > > >> Publishing the user manuals will certainly increase Allwinner's >> chips >> > > >> popularity. >> > > >> >> > > >> I was wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when the A80's >> > > manual >> > > >> will be made available? >> > > >> >> > > >> Thanks! >> > > >> Raanan >> > > >> >> > > >> On Monday, September 29, 2014 12:46:53 PM UTC+3, >> > > [email protected] >> > > >> wrote: >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Hi All, >> > > >>> >> > > >>> I have put the documents on github, and the url is >> > > >>> https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git >> > > >>> Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents >> will be >> > > >>> upated to here when released. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> ________________________________ >> > > >>> Best Regards, >> > > >>> kevin.z.m >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> From: HenrikNordström >> > > >>> Date: 2014-09-29 08:46 >> > > >>> To: [email protected] >> > > >>> CC: [email protected]; Meng Zhang >> > > >>> Subject: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware >> > > datasheet, >> > > >>> user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s >> > > >>> sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: >> > > >>> >> > > >>> > Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in >> > > him/herself? >> > > >>> >> > > >>> The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, >> who >> > > is >> > > >>> part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current >> versions of >> > > >>> the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is >> > > wrong? >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the >> > > >>> mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown >> > > reason >> > > >>> Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for >> this >> > > kind >> > > >>> of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via >> email >> > > to >> > > >>> their customers when requested. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> The real question is why AW do not make the documents available >> in >> > > >>> public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git >> > > >>> repository for SDK sources etc (github or elsewhere). >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Regards >> > > >>> Henrik >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> NOTICE: This e-mail and any included attachments are intended >> only for >> > > >>> the sole use of named and intended recipient (s) only. 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