On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 12:47:58PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Mon 12-10-26 12:42:06, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2026 at 12:36:15PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > On Fri 09-10-26 23:51:50, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > > > While working on eliding the grace period in namespace_unlock() I went
> > > > through what filesystems free when they're shut down and what a pathwalk
> > > > in rcu mode can still read at that point. Since 66a97c2ec953's rcu
> > > > pathwalk fixes that's the filesystem's job. Whatever ->permission(),
> > > > ->d_revalidate(), ->get_link(), ->d_hash() and ->d_compare() look at in
> > > > rcu mode has to be freed after a grace period. A few filesystems don't
> > > > do that.
> > > > 
> > > > Most of it is hidden by umount(2). namespace_unlock() waits for a grace
> > > > period before it drops the mounts, so a walker that was inside the
> > > > filesystem is gone by the time the filesystem is shut down.
> > > > 
> > > > But the last reference to a mount doesn't have to go away in umount(2).
> > > > A chdir() out of a lazily unmounted directory or the close() of the last
> > > > file on it drops it without a grace period. A walker can then still be
> > > > in the filesystem while ->put_super() and ->kill_sb() free what it
> > > > reads.
> > > 
> > > Good catches! But I find it very counter-intuitive that pathname lookups
> > > can still be running against a filesystem while its ->put_super is called.
> > > People will keep forgetting about that and as a result these UAF bugs will
> > > be introduced again. Isn't it feasible we'd guarantee to the filesystem
> > > ->put_super() gets called only after all lookups are done (i.e., after RCU
> > > grace period expires)?
> > > 
> > > I understand this is a hairy bussiness because this has userspace visible
> > > implications (like when filesystem's sysfs files disappear, when the bdev
> > > really gets unused, etc.) but keeping all filesystems safe to run RCU
> > > lookup after ->put_super() will be IMHO a headache.
> > 
> > I don't think delaying put_super() or freeing the superblock helps.
> > That's not where the issue is. The issue is with sb->s_fs_info being
> > available after a grace period and that can go away in different
> > locations ->put_super() or ->kill_sb().
> 
> So my thinking was: Cannot we separate the teardown of mounts and the
> teardown of the sb by an RCU grace period? Then by the time the filesystem
> gets to any freeing of filesystem related structures all RCU lookups are
> guaranteed to be done so there's no problem with them accessing possibly
> freed structures pointed to by the sb.
> 
> But then I've read more of the changelogs and AFAIU getting rid of the RCU
> grace period waiting in the unmount path is actually your point to speedup

So I prototyped your thing and all version I could see working end up
penalizing umount and filesystem shutdown quite heavily. Maybe I'm not
imagnative enough but everything involving synchronize_rcu* should be
kicked in the n*ts. Because if you're going onto big machines your
workloads will get said kick.

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