Thanks Jim,
Jim Cheetham wrote:
On 18/04/07, Rik Tindall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The club built off the "University of Canterbury Linux Users" list
requires its own, fully appropriate, name.
I must admit that I don't see any need whatsoever to change the name
of the CLUG.
I haven't quite pitched the concept digestibly yet..
And I can have agreement with Roger, Robert, and yourself, that 'nothing
is broken' inside the LUG, and the core need not change in any way. The
proposal is one of adding an essential third layer, for mediating with
the outside world.
The software metaphor is quite apt:
1st, there was a functioning 'kernel' - the UCLU list
2nd, there was a functioning group of confederates - CLUG
3rd, there was.. consciousness (and more / a defining next step / not
just these words - please add your own)
So we're looking at layers of the *nix social onion, and adding a more
user-friendly application layer on top, by specifying our activity in a
clearer, more expansive way.
It isn't actually a challenge to either of the successful and necessary
steps that went before, but an urge to start looking ahead, to get
further aspects right.
A new name for a new something is just a way of focusing on the next
_necessary_ task.
- Boat duly unrocked?
However, if the group agrees that it should change ...
b) Canterbury Unix Users Group.
I really like the idea of a Unix group as opposed to a Linux group,
because from my perspective Linux is just a subset of Unix. But I
generally find that Linux people are open-minded enough to learn
"Unix" knowledge without worrying about the different name.
Yes, this is truly the dilemma. Because behind the language there are
realities and choices behind the Not/Unix question. I'd like to pick
that up in response to Carl's earlier quotes though please.
Yes, it is a matter of bringing out the harmony of our culture, and how.
Partly right. There's a 'Linux mafia' uninterested in integrity, which
does disservice to Unix-like education, it would seem.
Absolutely *anything* you learn about a Linux system is knowledge
gained about a Unix system.
And our uniting interest here is indeed one of "system integrity".
"Comparing GNU/Linux and FreeBSD: The real winner is the community"
Yes. But there is more than one community. To be honest, you are the
person who is acting to disrupt the community *here* on this list. You
put in a huge amount of valuable work with the meetings you hold in
Sydenham, but your constant running battles over *terminology*
seriously detract from the work you do elsewhere. Please consider the
consequences of your posts. More and more people will be turned off
from your practical work because of the distractions your words
present.
-jim
There will be GNU awareness (developed) or there will be loss of Linux,
one can argue (see yesterday's fsmag quote).
- Should Socrates take his hemlock?
- Does the Emperor have any clothes?
Consideration and consequences,
with cheer
--
Rik
