On Sunday 30 December 2001 03:22 pm, you wrote:
> [ snips ]
>
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:10:46 -0800 Ted Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sunday 30 December 2001 01:48 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > If your typos are in a product you're selling, I won't buy it.  If
> > > > > you can't proofread, how good are you at testing your software
> > > >
> > > > Yes, you are.  I didn't find any typos in Mandrake or Caldera
> > > > distros that failed to install on my PC or in Redhat distros that
> > > > had a flaky compiler/glibc environment for everyone's PC, but I'm
> > > > too picky to use them any more.
> > >
> > > I am in agreement with Dave. Typo's are unacceptable. It truely shows
> > > how much 'true' effort was put into the thing. I see more and more
> > > companies putting things out with typo's in them, it's pathetic.
> >
> > Typo's or no typo's, my greatest bitch with elx is that I had to go
> > change permissions on quite a few  items in order to use them as a user.
> > This is not the first distro I've tried (nor probably the last) Most
> > machines at this site run Caldera other than this one (my lab rat). I've
> > not had to go through so many changes on the other machines as I had to
> > on this one. I'm constantly looking for distro's that can be installed
> > and "used" by wintendo converts and at first thought that elx would fill
> > this requirement. But for now, I'll continue playing with it and see
> > what the 1.0 release is like and hopefully they'll see that running
> > primarily as root is really not an option. Can you imagine a wintendo
> > convert running linux as root? Good grief, I shudder just thinking about
> > it. JMHO and this to me is a BFD!
>
> "You pays you money, you takes you chances."
>
> In my case, I paid absolutely zip and got an extremely well-crafted and
> functional product for the price of a few hours download and two burnt
> CDs.  I also got access to a professionally constructed web site with a
> well grounded plan to encourage Windows users to migrate to linux as well
> as an offer to help with that endeavor.  I got a desktop environment that
> will probably appeal to a lot of Windows refugees.  I got immediate
> response for my questions from the developers.  I got all-in-all fewer
> bugs than I ever did from Mandrake and Caldera and SuSE and gentoo distros
> I've used in the past.  And just for a bonus, I got one #@!& typo in a
> pre-release distro, and that fact has you anal types in an uproar.
>
> Now Ted has a slightly more rational complaint - ease of use for device
> allocation which is one of the not-so-user-friendly areas of a *nix
> system.  Every distro is going to handle this differently.  Either you set
> permissions to permit anyone access to devices and deal with the security
> ramifications, or you set exclusive permissions and require use of root to
> alter those permissions as required.  I've had much grief on Caldera
> distros and others just getting pppd functions to work.  This is nothing
> new.
>
> Granted, no distro is going to recommend running as root other than
> briefly to accomplish brief tasks, nor does elx do that, but every new
> Linux user is going to need to learn how and how not to use the power of
> root.
>
> I don't have any serial devices, Ted, so I can't comiserate.  The elx
> distro has been easier for me to install, manipulate, and tailor than any
> I've used in the past.  I would not hesitate to recommend this one to a
> newbie.

Us anal types? uncool, unnecessary.....and with that I'm done.
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