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Kiran Jonnalagadda said:
jace> Linux leaves you mucking in the details for too long, keeping you from
jace> getting your work done. Emacs and Vim both take weeks to get used to,
jace> and in the end, neither can compare to Windows development environments
jace> like Visual Studio or HTML Kit. All Emacs and Vim promise you is quick
jace> keyboard shortcuts.
Keyboard shortcuts .. to what?
There is no simple answer to this. Way beyond my power of description.
jace> I don't think so. Linux + X + GNOME/KDE is as bloated as Windows 2000
jace> is, and much slower. Sure, Linux lets you choose what components you
Yeah definitely. X is surely a bloated, highly layered architecture. No
arguments here. You could still stick with the faster window managers
and performance isn't that much of an issue. BTW, the slow reponse in X
doesn't affect the other processes ... it's just the visual components that
show up slowly.
Ok. And what about the simple things like multiple desktops and a WHOLE
lot of choices. Windows can have it (from some third-party software components)
but none like the ones on Linux/*BSD.
I really love my *clean* and nicely organised X-sessions whenever I use X.
Netscape *always* goes to desktop 4 (wherever I run it from), StarOffice to
5, Music players to 10, Ghostscript/acrobat readers to 3. I always know where
they are. And they don't clutter my desktop.
Apart from that, nothing like the short-cuts. Ctrl-t gives a nice Eterm,
Ctrl-Alt-n gives my netscape window, Ctrl-Alt-m maximises anything I want
(go ahead. Add as many as you can imagine. I have lots ....)
Windows probably has some of these ... but not so quick and elegant.
jace> want to put together, but if you add in the components that you can
jace> expect on an average Windows desktop, Windows turns out to be way ahead
jace> on performance. And Win2k is stable too -- no more blue screens. Rather,
Win2K for desktop you mean?
jace> my X crashes every few days because it doesn't know what to make of my
jace> video card (which is listed as supported in X4.0, which I use). I've
jace> even seen a system running just the console spontaneously reboot (3
jace> times in one day once).
Yup. Spontaneous reboots for me too. When I tested kernel 2.4.0-test8. I
reported the bug to the kernel mailing list.
None otherwise. My X4.0 works much to my satisfaction, with my Matrox Millenium
card.
BTW, we had a major power-surge problems. Win2k destroyed it's own ntoskernel.exe
(I guess that's the name it said is corrupt) and refused to boot after that till
repaired.
Hard disk has been sent to the "experts" for that.
All Linux servers are fine.
So much for good/secure design. I know which files/filesystems should be made
read-only. No erratic software behaviour can play havoc.
(Note: I am only talking about software damage)
jace> Gtk+ is horribly slow, and GNOME's panel is currently an ugly bloated
jace> monster. Besides, GNOME/Gtk+ doesn't even have a consistent set of
jace> keyboard mappings yet. Pressing Tab sometimes leads me to dead-ends that
jace> I can't back out from, sometimes takes me to places that I should not be
jace> able to access, like the sorting tabs in a list view, and never takes me
jace> to the next tab in a tabbed dialog. I have no such problem navigating
jace> under Windows -- it has the most consistent and comprehensive keyboard
jace> support I've seen anywhere.
jace>
jace> And Linux is supposed to be the OS of keyboard lovers.
Yeah, definitely. And I am happy. And besides, I am sorry but I do not
understand the issues raised by you in the above para.
Are you judging the Linux/*BSD GUIs on the basis of GNOME/Gtk+?
jace> GUIs suck anyway? Why don't we all go back to punch cards?
The second (rhetorical) statement does NOT logically follow from the first.
Well, my views. Of course, the "frog in the well" that I am, dunno how much do
my views stand on the absolute scale (if there is one ...)
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jaju
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