On 12/10/06 13:47 +0530, Faraz Shahbazker wrote: > On 10/11/06, Devdas Bhagat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On 11/10/06 20:35 +0530, Faraz Shahbazker wrote: > ><snip> > >> toward GNU then it is only fair that you should NOT use any GNU tools > >> to bootstrap your project. Best of luck!!! :-P > >> > >As RMS put it, it was necessary to use closed source tools to write > >emacs initially. > Touche :-) > > > > >A pure GNU/Linux system wouldn't be very useful, unless I was to write a > >lot of software myself. > > > By definition that is exactly what forms an "Operating System" . The > rest are applications. Once again the boundaries may be blurred for > YOU becoz the distro packages everything together.
Errr, gcc is just another application. What part of userland and kernelspace distinction do you refuse to understand? > > eg. say I don't need X or apache / (never use KDE anyway) / and I am > prepared to use w3(GNU) instead of Firefox. Now with a few small > applications which may [not] not fall under any particular large > project, I still have a usable system. > It may work for you, it doesn't work for me. > Try recreating the above scenario without glibc/binutils/coreutils (or > any replacement thereof) and see what you get. Note that I've not even Uhm, BSD? <confused> > mentioned gcc since a user may not want to do any programming at all. > > > > >> Linux == kernel, > >> GNU == indispensible(but kernel-less) project [excuse HURD] > > > >Pssst. gcc is about the only indispensible component. All the rest are > >dispensible. > > > You are wrongly equating "dispensible" with "replacable". We are not > saying that you cannot replace GNU, but that without GNU or any > equivalent replacement there would be no system to use inspite of all > other large contributors. And now, since you are using GNU and not > some equivalent replacement you should acknowledge as much. > Fine, Mozilla/Apache/OpenOffice.org/Trolltech/KDE/WindowMaker/BSD/PostgreSQL/GNU/Linux. > > > >And no one would deny them the credit for initiating the Free Software > >movement. But on my system, there is _no_ first among equals. There is > >root, and then there are the mortals. There is the kernel, and then > >there is the userland. > > > If by root you mean Operating System, then see the difference between > a kernel and what constitutes an Operating System. > root is UID 0. Define Operating system. By Microsoft's definition, a browser and media player are essential parts of an operating system. Devdas Bhagat -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
