AMEN BROTHER!!!!! I agree with every word.
-Dante On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Peter Manis <[email protected]> wrote: > It is a license.... you are licensed to use it. You do not own it > > Microsoft doesn't tell you how to use their stuff... but they implement > things that can identify the owner without having all knowledge of who that > person is. Dodge does the same with multiple VIN numbers throughout a > vehicle which are on your vehicle registration just like the license code is > on your registration for Windows. > > Dodge also puts a rev limiter and a top speed limiter on their vehicles, > which is similar to how Microsoft may limit functionality in Windows. > Schwin, Frigidaire and Dodge are all companies that sell things you would > actually own, none of those items are LICENSED. Unless the software you > purchase or receive free of cost does not have a license that specifically > states you may do with it as you please there are certain guidelines you > must follow and in the case of most software that you purchase you cannot > just give it away. Microsoft has the right to protect their product, > because it is their product not yours. You can also reject installing > Geniuine Advantage you just won't be able to install updates from their > website, which is the only place I have ever encountered WGA interaction. > When you received your legally licensed copy of Windows, WGA may not have > existed, but security fixes, bug fixes, and feature changes introduced into > service packs would be considered additions to the original software and can > have different agreements. Just like the addition of crypto algorithms can > change export restrictions (which does change the rules of the game in many > ways) and how a company can go from GPL v2 to GPL v3 at a specific release > of their software. Installing WGA will allow you to install updates that > fix bugs and add features... if you don't agree to it you can't install. > Very much like not agreeing to the license of MySQL 5.1 (if there was a > license change) would not allow you to use partitioning (since you can't > install 5.1 without agreeing to a license). > > This has nothing to do with Microsoft's practices, if they are being shady > they are being shady, but your reason for disliking WGA is not based on > that, it is based on apples vs oranges. I do agree that security fixes > should be installed without the need for WGA and in a lot of cases you can > get these updates from other sources (rollup packs for unattended installs > for one example) > > Anytime I have ever installed WGA or used Windows update I have never had > any identifying information on any part of my computer and it does not call > home according to the monitoring I have in place. A while back it was also > mentioned that they were aparently not getting any idenfiable information, > WGA was simply used to disable copies that were using illegal keys (could be > a lie). > > Microsoft may not be a core topic of socallinux, but licensing and the use > of software is > > Btw, this was not meant to sound as agressive as it may sound, but I do > hear a lot of trash talked about Windows at work and outside of work and > most of the time it is stuff that is either not true, a problem caused by > the lack of experience with the OS (which happens a lot in Linux too) and > simply because people feel like finding a target and bitching. I use Linux, > Mac OS, Windows, etc, and I have reasons for using each one, and complaints > about each one. While I dislike practices of Microsoft, and some of the > problems that really should have been addressed in Windows, I do sometimes > jump on the "stop hating on microsoft" boat from time to time. > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Paul Saenz <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Oh and as far as I know, this is a linux list. I don't mean to be rude or >> anything, but it's not only windows but a dirty hack. Almost porn. >> >> With all due respect, I strongly disagree. I bought my legally licensed >> windows box years before genuine advantage. >> Microsoft then decided to change the license after I paid for their OS. >> I don't care what they wrote in their agreement. >> They sold me the friggen OS, and they took my friggen money, and now it's >> mine. >> Genuine Advantage was not part of the agreement but now they say they are >> changing it. >> I did not agree to genuine advantage. >> When I was a kid we had a saying. It went like this: >> You can't change the rules in the middle of the game. >> Furthermore, Dodge doesn't tell you how to drive your truck. >> It has software and hardware in it. >> Frigidair doesn't tell you how to run your frigerator. >> And Schwin doesn't tell you how to ride your bike. >> I didn't agree to genuine advantage, and as far as I concerned, >> when they sold me the OS, they agreed to support it as long as they >> support it for the rest of the world. >> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft is the pirate, and is as bad as porn. >> And I better stop there, because what I have to say about Microsoft right >> now >> in regards to this subject is not suitable for this list. >> >> ------------------------------ >> Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. 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