"I have to agree with Mark, why not use Linux? Especially, since Mac is
just becoming the next MS any way."

If I had to pay for an Operating system, I would rather it be Unix
based.  Good thing we have Linux.

Chris...

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:55 AM, John Richmond IV <jo...@randrinc.com> wrote:
> I have to agree with Mark, why not use Linux? Especially, since Mac is
> just becoming the next MS any way.
>
> Well first off in this country corporations are married to MS.  At the
> Google I/O conference it was funny how the attendees from Europe were
> amazed at how much companies, schools, etc. use MS.  Even when we went
> to 1on1 sessions with the developers, I had to always start with the
> fact that I run Ubuntu on my PC.  Linux also already has the management
> systems that windows has and better security.
>
> As for the "getting use to" it part, at many of my customers I've been
> installing the FOSS equivalents of MS packages for years.  Everyone has
> gotten use to it pretty quickly or never even noticed the switch.  Also,
> with Ubuntu having a nice GUI to it, the barrier to entry has been
> lowered to almost nothing.  BTW did anyone else notice how 10.05 has
> much more of Mac feel to the navigation?  I guess we're trying to
> convert some people from the dark side, LOL.
>
> To conclude, I think Linux has just hit a cultural barrier (too many
> people have their MCSE certification) because Ubuntu and Redhat have
> taken care of the technical barriers for us.  As I like to tell people,
> the Linux and FOSS versions of office/productivity/corporate software is
> just as frustrating as the pay/proprietary versions, but at least you
> didn't have to pay to be frustrated.
> --
> John Richmond IV
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>
> On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 08:52 -0700, Mark Holmquist wrote:
>> > The one issue that I have with Mac's in the work place is the control we 
>> > have with Windows AD and updates
>>
>> Thus we come back to the topic of the list--why not use Linux? You've
>> got plenty of control, with that.
>>
>> > What I would love to see happen is Apple sell OSX, at a premium price, to 
>> > be put on any computer.
>>
>> They'll never do it. They like programming for their own hardware
>> only, for the same reason console games are easier to write than PC
>> games--if you only have to be compatible with one system, and that one
>> system has really good specs, then you can write really awesome
>> software that takes up lots of resources, and you'll only have to test
>> it once (or for however many systems you have).
>>
>> But back to the first point, I really despise companies when they
>> complain about X being too slow (let X be a computer-related
>> resource), and I *know* it's because of Windows or (occasionally) Mac
>> OS being the stupid kid in the back row. Every single time, it gets
>> more and more annoying...and Linux isn't used because "no one is used
>> to it?" Please. People learn more about their jobs than that, I'm sure
>> "getting used to" different-looking window-borders wouldn't take much
>> time, and it's worth it to prevent hacking. And for the sysadmin who
>> did manage to convince the higher-ups, he gets to submit bug reports
>> to the developers when things go wrong. It seems like a win-win to me.
>> The business gets more reliable and more flexible systems, and the
>> community gets more bug reports from that sysadmin.
>>
>> -- MarkTraceur
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