This is a new thread started in response to Peter Manis's response to me on my thread: kde now really broken
While the thread is not specifically or only linux oriented, threads such as this have been tolerated in the past. Please feel free to tell me otherwise and we can always end it. > While your issues may not be around kalarm and kmail directly they have > been mentioned many times either something not working or trying to keep > them intact while upgrading/reinstalling. Keeping data was a problem when I moved from Mandriva Linux 2005 to Ubuntu, probably because the file structure had changed to the point where I had to use the "import" function, and it lost me all metadata about each email. I didn't try importing KAlarm; I had few enough alarms that I could just recreate them manually. And I did. I had no problems with either importing .doc or the various formats of Open Office. After I'd done the import (and lived with the loss of meta data on the emails (a problem for me since we've always used the metadata [sent, replied to, etc.] to manage our customer relationship), the way Ubuntu (9.04, what I call the "disaster version") worked (or rather didn't) became the issue. >From time to time email would just lock up for up to several minutes when I changed between mail folders. Since I manage tens of thousands of emails, I'm guessing the problem was with kmail's memory management. But it worked fine on our earlier Mandriva system with one gigabyte of memory and didn't work on the new Ubuntu install with 4 gigs. And the recent problem with kubuntu I've already discussed (cut/copy and paste), even though it resolved itself, finally pushed me to do something. I'd almost decided to move to Ubuntu, to face a mail import again, and to find another way of managing my customer history (prior to this every customer had a folder where all email relating to that client was stored). So I'd faced the fact that I'd need to find a mail client I liked (I really like kmail when it works). This time the issue was KAlarm. Yes, I know I can run it in Ubuntu; just add the KDE libraries. Which is exactly what I wasn't happy to do. And for a while I couldn't find a way to get KAlarm to run in Ubuntu. The details are fuzzy now, but I had problems with windows popping up without borders; no way to move them between screens or even to close them. That's been solved. My discussion with Randall led me to believe I should give 10.04 (a so called LTS release) a try. Now I'm almost done with it (still have to make some changes to the "look and feel" but that's easy enough now that I've caught up on my missed email, etc.) and so far it works. I was able to import the email and KAlarm. I couldn't figure out how to import my "Kontact" data, but i was able to rebuild it easily enough in about two hours. However I'm sure the future will hold even more import/conversion issues as the world moves on. So the "cloud" (I'm not sure I'd limit myself to Google) looks inviting. > Have you considered moving to Google Apps? It is far better than desktop > apps for managing both mail and scheduling even if you are just a couple > people. You probably have a more reliable internet connection than I do. DSL became too slow for me (Netflix on demand, downloading ISOs, etc). So I went with Charter Cable (gave up my static IP#s to do it). Speed is impressive; 16 mbps down, 1.5 mbps up, for about $60 per month. Reliability is impressive to. Impressively bad. When it's just the internet (and they've had a lot of problems with just the internet), they won't even send a truck roll until they get something like ten or 20 complaints from the same neighborhood. Late night and weekends (when many of us like to work) I can forget it, because I'll be the only complaint until the next morning. They've been down as long as an entire day; that would be a disaster. I've got a Sprint MiFi, which I can use when the 'net isn't available, but it's limited to 5G traffic per month, and I'm not sure I should depend on that. As far as the apps themselves, perhaps I need to know more. Scheduling is not what I do with Kalarm. I use it to actually pop up an alarm on my screen (optionally with sound, optionally to send an email or SMS) to remind me of what needs to be done at that time. I don't know of any other program that does that, though undoubtedly some exist. I don't know a cloud based app could do that, and if it could I don't know that I'd want to give it accesws to popup on my desktop. So lets' move on to email. We've got sixteen email accounts, a bit over twice that many identities, and even more "forwarders". Every place I've looked, email is charged by the identity; I've never seen one that let's me create unlimited forwarders to one account. And I need all those identities for outgoing email; email has to come "from" the right neme and/or roll account, at the right domain. Can I do that with Google? Can i sort/filter on incoming email, including an alarm (sound file) on my local system when mail to certain accounts come in (for example to ring an audible "bell" when a support email from a current client comes in)? > I used to use desktop apps and when I finally gave it some time to be > entirely in the browser. 3 years later I have never looked back, and I use > the products now more than ever. I hope, Peter, that you're not simply trolling by your remarks, because if it's best for me to move to cloud email, then it is. And if it is, then someone needs to convince me <smile>. Thanks! Jeff -- Jeff Lasman Post Office Box 52200, Riverside, CA 92517 Our jplists address used on lists is for list email only Phone +1 909 266-9209, or see: "http://www.nobaloney.net/contactus.html"; _______________________________________________ LinuxUsers mailing list LinuxUsers@socallinux.org http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers
