My responses are going to be delayed, but look at inline comments.
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Jeff Lasman <jpli...@nobaloney.net> wrote:
> This is a new thread started in response to Peter Manis's response to me on
> my
> thread: kde now really broken
>
> While the thread is not specifically or only linux oriented, threads such
> as
> this have been tolerated in the past. Please feel free to tell me
> otherwise
> and we can always end it.
>
> > While your issues may not be around kalarm and kmail directly they have
> > been mentioned many times either something not working or trying to keep
> > them intact while upgrading/reinstalling.
>
> Keeping data was a problem when I moved from Mandriva Linux 2005 to Ubuntu,
> probably because the file structure had changed to the point where I had to
> use the "import" function, and it lost me all metadata about each email. I
> didn't try importing KAlarm; I had few enough alarms that I could just
> recreate them manually. And I did.
>
As far as keeping data I'd recommend something like Dropbox so it syncs
everything off as changes are made to ensure things are replicated
automatically.
>
> I had no problems with either importing .doc or the various formats of Open
> Office.
>
> After I'd done the import (and lived with the loss of meta data on the
> emails
> (a problem for me since we've always used the metadata [sent, replied to,
> etc.] to manage our customer relationship), the way Ubuntu (9.04, what I
> call
> the "disaster version") worked (or rather didn't) became the issue.
>
> From time to time email would just lock up for up to several minutes when I
> changed between mail folders. Since I manage tens of thousands of emails,
> I'm
> guessing the problem was with kmail's memory management. But it worked
> fine
> on our earlier Mandriva system with one gigabyte of memory and didn't work
> on
> the new Ubuntu install with 4 gigs. And the recent problem with kubuntu
> I've
> already discussed (cut/copy and paste), even though it resolved itself,
> finally pushed me to do something.
>
This happens with large mailboxes. I've never had good experiences with
desktop mail because eventually its too big to deal with easily. I'm in the
hundreds of thousands in the cloud and have no complaints.
>
> I'd almost decided to move to Ubuntu, to face a mail import again, and to
> find
> another way of managing my customer history (prior to this every customer
> had
> a folder where all email relating to that client was stored). So I'd faced
> the fact that I'd need to find a mail client I liked (I really like kmail
> when
> it works). This time the issue was KAlarm. Yes, I know I can run it in
> Ubuntu; just add the KDE libraries. Which is exactly what I wasn't happy
> to
> do. And for a while I couldn't find a way to get KAlarm to run in Ubuntu.
> The
> details are fuzzy now, but I had problems with windows popping up without
> borders; no way to move them between screens or even to close them. That's
> been solved.
>
> My discussion with Randall led me to believe I should give 10.04 (a so
> called
> LTS release) a try.
>
> Now I'm almost done with it (still have to make some changes to the "look
> and
> feel" but that's easy enough now that I've caught up on my missed email,
> etc.)
> and so far it works. I was able to import the email and KAlarm. I
> couldn't
> figure out how to import my "Kontact" data, but i was able to rebuild it
> easily enough in about two hours.
>
> However I'm sure the future will hold even more import/conversion issues as
> the world moves on.
>
> So the "cloud" (I'm not sure I'd limit myself to Google) looks inviting.
>
> > Have you considered moving to Google Apps? It is far better than desktop
> > apps for managing both mail and scheduling even if you are just a couple
> > people.
>
> You probably have a more reliable internet connection than I do. DSL
> became
> too slow for me (Netflix on demand, downloading ISOs, etc). So I went with
> Charter Cable (gave up my static IP#s to do it). Speed is impressive; 16
> mbps
> down, 1.5 mbps up, for about $60 per month.
>
Sometimes I do, I'll have a business line at home soon, but I use the web
interface for multiple Google Apps and Gmail accounts simultaneously when
I'm tethered over my phone or on a USB 3g dongle or even over 56k dialup.
It might be slow at times, but its not unmanageable. When I travel I'm
usually using a shared wireless network or tethering over 3g or EDGE and I
still am able to work.
>
> Reliability is impressive to. Impressively bad. When it's just the
> internet
> (and they've had a lot of problems with just the internet), they won't even
> send a truck roll until they get something like ten or 20 complaints from
> the
> same neighborhood. Late night and weekends (when many of us like to work)
> I
> can forget it, because I'll be the only complaint until the next morning.
> They've been down as long as an entire day; that would be a disaster.
>
It sucks when mail is down, but we use Apps internally and we are able to
cope during outages.
>
> I've got a Sprint MiFi, which I can use when the 'net isn't available, but
> it's limited to 5G traffic per month, and I'm not sure I should depend on
> that.
>
> As far as the apps themselves, perhaps I need to know more. Scheduling is
> not
> what I do with Kalarm. I use it to actually pop up an alarm on my screen
> (optionally with sound, optionally to send an email or SMS) to remind me of
> what needs to be done at that time. I don't know of any other program that
> does that, though undoubtedly some exist. I don't know a cloud based app
> could do that, and if it could I don't know that I'd want to give it
> accesws
> to popup on my desktop.
>
There are notifications in Calendar. I have an Android phone so I get
notifications on my phone when I need to go to a meeting or need to do
something.
>
> So lets' move on to email.
>
> We've got sixteen email accounts, a bit over twice that many identities,
> and
> even more "forwarders". Every place I've looked, email is charged by the
> identity; I've never seen one that let's me create unlimited forwarders to
> one
> account.
>
> And I need all those identities for outgoing email; email has to come
> "from"
> the right neme and/or roll account, at the right domain.
>
> Can I do that with Google? Can i sort/filter on incoming email, including
> an
> alarm (sound file) on my local system when mail to certain accounts come in
> (for example to ring an audible "bell" when a support email from a current
> client comes in)?
>
You can do a couple things here. You can easily filter email by who is is
going to, you can also have POP3 retrieval for an account and label all of
those incoming messages with a specific label (to catch those ones that are
to:nob...@yourdomain.com <to%3anob...@yourdomain.com>). You can also make
common domains go to a single account. So let say you have the following
email addresses.
j...@nobalony.com
j...@ilovekde.com
j...@ilovepandas.com
You can set all those up as aliases in the Apps dashboard and setup MX
records so they all actually go to one single account. Makes it a bit
easier than maintaining multiple accounts. There is also the option of
aliases, which I don't believe count towards your users since they are not
logins they are only email aliases.
Sending mail from multiple accounts is no problem. There is a thing in the
settings to add multiple accounts and you just confirm the address from the
email they send you. Then when you send mail you get a drop down listing
all email addresses on the account and they come from that account.
There are notification tools for Google Apps accounts. Some are browser
extensions and others are desktop applications.
>
> > I used to use desktop apps and when I finally gave it some time to be
> > entirely in the browser. 3 years later I have never looked back, and I
> use
> > the products now more than ever.
>
> I hope, Peter, that you're not simply trolling by your remarks, because if
> it's best for me to move to cloud email, then it is. And if it is, then
> someone needs to convince me <smile>.
>
I'm definitely not trolling, or promoting just because I work for them. I
love Google products and have been using Gmail since it was invite only.
The first part of that was out of Outlook/Thunderbird. I didn't get the
whole "live in the browser" thing, it just didn't fit what I did. When I
started to Google I was needing to use calendar and mail far more than I did
as a consultant so I forced myself to live in the browser. I didn't have
to, but in the end it was one of the better things I've done. The
integration between all of the Apps is pretty amazing and I really do
recommend them to anyone I know. I've been using them for so long I never
actually setup a mail system for anyone simply because I always moved them
onto Google Apps.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff
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